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Cervixalot posted:Regarding the RBs: Thank you for your service. Washington: LOL what the gently caress are you doing this team is a dumpster fire. Okay, let's try that again. Uh... Doctson apparently has some Achilles injury which he's been dealing with throughout his NFL career. Stay the gently caress away. Terry McLaurin has been looking good. Really good. Nice route running, good separation, nice connection with Haskins and the other QBs like him as well. Worth targeting in dynasty. Maybe a last round flyer in best ball. Guice is healthy. So is Reed. Their ADPs are low enough it might be worth a shot. The QB situation is a total clusterfuck. Don't expect much. The best player on the team refuses to come back. Washington's plan is to gently caress him over. This can only end with the line playing... poorly.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Thank you for your service. Washington is in a rebuild, but without the rebuilding part.
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Spoeank posted:49ers I don’t even see Goodwin making the 53 this year.
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Alfalfa posted:I don’t even see Goodwin making the 53 this year. Rotoworld agrees with you. Pats: don’t touch anyone but Edelman and maybe James White if you can get him cheap. Everyone else has potential but is likely a trap (as always). N’Keal Harry hasn’t been doing well, other picks outperforming him? Michel is a Gurley-esque time bomb.
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kiimo posted:That's great info and going to keep me from making a mistake on Darrell Henderson. Eagles fan chiming in...that picture is Sidney Jones (CB), not Sanders. Also, as far as the local beat guys, ESP is trash. Kempski is good though. I’ve heard good things about Sanders with following training camp news. Sounds like he still has a lot to improve on as a receiver. Haven’t heard much in terms of pass protection.
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Zauper posted:I'm in the middle of an 8 copy, 96 team dynasty startup (SF & TE premium). Now we're 365 picks in (4.77 has picked). Here's the players fully drafted, in no order: QB - Mahomes, Luck, Watson, Rodgers, Goff, Ryan, Baker, Wilson, Wentz, Cam, Murray. QBs with at least 1 share gone: Dak, Trubi, LJ, Jameis, Brees. WR: Hopkins, JuJu, OBJ, MT, Evans, Hill, Adams, KA, Cooper, Julio, AB, Diggs, Cooks, Thielen. At least 1 share gone: Ty, Woods, DJ, Godwin RBs: Barkley, CMC, Zeke, Kamara, Gurley, MG3, Mixon, DJ, Bell, Cook, Chubb, KJ, Conner. At least 1 share gone: Mack, Jacobs, Damien Williams, Aaron Jones TEs: Kelce, Ertz, Kittle, Engram, and in the middle of an OJH run (2 shares left). KA fell a full round+ further than he did in a 96 team startup last year, in spite of another healthy WR1 season. Some of the QB picks feel like reaches too -- Murray off that early?
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I need some opinions on Derrick Henry. He seems like a perennial breakout candidate who never lives up to it. It's once again his year and that 3rd round ADP could be a bargain or yet another let down.
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Bellmaker posted:Rotoworld agrees with you. That Rotoworld blurb is complete poo poo. They've started really sensationalizing their stuff this camp without Silva. Here's the Rotoworld blurb "The Athletic's Matt Barrows doesn't consider Marquise Goodwin a lock to make the 49ers' 53-man roster. Barrows named Dante Pettis, Deebo Samuel, Jalen Hurd, and Trent Taylor as the top four, leaving Goodwin, Jordan Matthews, Kendrick Bourne, and Richie James competing for possibly two spots. Bourne has been showing out at camp and led the Niners' receivers in receiving a year ago. Matthews has reportedly been steady in camp, if not splashy. And James is a youngster with some intrigue. Goodwin carries the fattest cap hit at $2.95 million, but the Niners would save virtually none of it against the cap if he's cut. Goodwin couldn't stay healthy last year but was productive in 2017." Here's what they're quoting, emphasis in the response is mine: "Luke W. asks: Who will be this season’s “fools gold,” namely a player looking great in training camp and preseason who winds up not making the 53? The 49ers seem to be headed for tough decisions at receiver and linebacker (see above). At receiver, for example, let’s say that the first four spots go to Dante Pettis, Deebo Samuel, Jalen Hurd and Trent Taylor. That would leave two spots for Marquise Goodwin, Jordan Matthews, Kendrick Bourne and Richie James. Each of those receivers has shined at different points over the first eight days of practice. In fact, you could argue that Bourne — who often is left out in 53-man projections — has been the best of the bunch. (He’s the Nick Mullens of the receiver group: undrafted, not a lot of deep speed, but he just produces.) I received a lot of questions about Bourne and James as far as which receivers they could overtake. Because James has speed and shiftiness, he theoretically could steal Taylor’s or Goodwin’s spots. But, gee, barring an injury he’d have to have an exemplary preseason to do that. Bourne versus Matthews seems like a tighter battle. Yes, Bourne has been perhaps the most splashy receiver over the first week of camp. But Matthews has made a lot of catches. He’s been steady. The 49ers brought him in because they felt their young receiving corps could use a splash of experience. That’s how Matthews practices — he’s always where he needs to be, he doesn’t drop passes and he uses his big body as a screen in the red zone. Bourne or Matthews? It’s a tough choice." It was a mailbag article they intentionally misapplied to generate clicks. And guess who didnt get a blurb about getting their roster spot potentially stolen, since he's a rotoworld darling? Richie James does what Goodwin does, but worse. His utility was that he could return kicks, but seemingly everyone can return kicks now. And if the Niners go Jordan Matthews over Marquise Goodwin, then I'm jumping off of the top of Levi's. They also toss in his $2.95MM cap hit like it could come into play when the Niners have the fifth-most cap space currently in the NFL
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Ches Neckbeard posted:I need some opinions on Derrick Henry. He seems like a perennial breakout candidate who never lives up to it. It's once again his year and that 3rd round ADP could be a bargain or yet another let down. That would be an ADP I would touch if I felt like I got some steals in the first two rounds. Granted, it's hard to call anything in the first two rounds "steals", but I think you could set up targets in the first two rounds that would lead to comfort drafting Henry that high. As somebody who held him for the first 7-8 weeks last year and then dropped him just before his breakout, he's a player I'll never touch again.
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Poque posted:That would be an ADP I would touch if I felt like I got some steals in the first two rounds. Granted, it's hard to call anything in the first two rounds "steals", but I think you could set up targets in the first two rounds that would lead to comfort drafting Henry that high. Agreed. Henry is s solid high upside flier if your first 3 rounds(yeah I said 3) have high floor guys. I'm passing in auction once he hits $30. My main argument is simply that there are better guys at his ADP: Freeman has the same floor but way higher upside. Kerryon is going for about the same value, although that will change. Aaron Jones has similar ceilings and floor but won't see 8 in the box every down.
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To that end, I've sure wound up with Dion Lewis a lot. He got 900 yards last year and is going in double digit rounds. Seems like a steal to me.
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Who ITT was saying we would know one way or the other about the Zeke deal by the 6th (today), and why?
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dkj posted:With Zeke you’ll know by the 6th. One way or the other. It was this dude.
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RCarr posted:Who ITT was saying we would know one way or the other about the Zeke deal by the 6th (today), and why? If Zeke doesn't report by today he can't acrue a league year this year and thus get closer to free agency. I think in practical terms, he can't hold out this year and next year and enter free agency, but if he holds out either this year or next he can still become a restricted free agent at the end of his rookie contract. At least that's my understanding. Supposedly he's got Le'veon Bell money on offer, so maybe he's holding out hoping to top the Gurley contract. It's probably down to the guarantees, but Jerry has never failed to sign a player he wanted to keep.
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Ayudo posted:If Zeke doesn't report by today he can't acrue a league year this year and thus get closer to free agency. I think in practical terms, he can't hold out this year and next year and enter free agency, but if he holds out either this year or next he can still become a restricted free agent at the end of his rookie contract. At least that's my understanding. I thought he has to report by week 10, same deal as LeVeon Bell last year? Why is it different?
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RCarr posted:I thought he has to report by week 10, same deal as LeVeon Bell last year? Why is it different? Probably has to do with his missed games due to suspension. I'll see if I can find a writeup on it. edit: Here's a better explanation then I can offer: https://insidethestar.com/zeke-holdout-what-happens-if-elliott-doesnt-report-by-august-6th/
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RCarr posted:I thought he has to report by week 10, same deal as LeVeon Bell last year? Why is it different? Bell wasn’t under contract. He was sitting out the franchise tag. If Zeke doesn’t show up he doesn’t get the year towards FA. So if he doesn’t show by the deadline there’s no reason for him to show up at any point this season. Also, he’s just in the same situation next season but a year older and a year out of the game.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:I need some opinions on Derrick Henry. He seems like a perennial breakout candidate who never lives up to it. It's once again his year and that 3rd round ADP could be a bargain or yet another let down. Nope. I'm not buying it. Maybe if he was on a better team. He's not talented enough as a runner to put up any kind of consistency in a ho hum offense.
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RCarr posted:The article specifically says the August 6th deadline doesn’t matter, as he only needs one more year of eligibility and can get it next year if necessary He really has no leverage here except being great. You're right, he doesn't have to play at all this year, but he has to play at some point to meet those free agent qualifications. He could do that next year, after a year of no football. Who knows how that would impact his situation.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Thank you for your service. Draft Maurice Harris late. He is a super scrappy dude that lit up preseason every year but mysteriously never really played (probably because they were constantly trying to make Josh Doctson a thing) and I think he has a pretty good chance of fitting the Brady/Belichick tough career journeyman UDFA WR role. He's a guy I will have on the bottom end of every roster. Probably falls into "deep sleeper" territory, so not sure what I'd do in a 10-team league.
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B_sketchy posted:Nope. I'm not buying it. Maybe if he was on a better team. He's not talented enough as a runner to put up any kind of consistency in a ho hum offense.
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B_sketchy posted:He really has no leverage here except being great. You're right, he doesn't have to play at all this year, but he has to play at some point to meet those free agent qualifications. He could do that next year, after a year of no football. Who knows how that would impact his situation. He has some in that the cowboys were a playoff team last year and they won’t get there again without him.
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Tiptoes posted:This is a crazy thing to say about Henry. He has a 97th-percentile Speed Score and 88th-percentile Burst Score in a 6'3" 247 lb frame. He led the league in Yards Created Per Carry last season. It's all about whether the Titans will actually feed him but he's talented enough to threaten to lead the league in rushing if they do. His talent as a runner is not an issue. Half his production last year came on 4 games. His numbers vary so much that using yards created ect are nearly useless.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Half his production last year came on 4 games. His numbers vary so much that using yards created ect are nearly useless. And you can argue that those 4 games are the only ones the Titans actually used him. Other than the second and third games of the season where he had 18 rushing attempts each he didn’t have over 12 attempts until the last four games of the season.
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I've had several people ask about basic auction tips, so I sat down to hammer out an effort post about it. When my frenzied fugue finally cleared up, I realized I'd written quite more in-depth than I expected. I might turn this into an article, but I wanted to post it here first in hopes that it will encourage goons to try out the pure bliss that is an auction draft. I live to auction. My leagues are almost exclusively auction. I've done hundreds, with a variety of people from friends to pundits to extremely inebriated comedians. August sees me constantly in a mock auction every minute of every day. Trust me, my lovemaking has been horrible. Here are my 6 tips for immediately becoming a good auction player (even if you've never done an auction before): 1. Do a mock auction.  Google Images taught me that fantasy football has been around longer than I thought. Here, I assume, are people bidding on what appears to be a change-of-pace running back The format is what intimidates most people who have never auctioned. It's actually quite streamlined, but is a bit more complex than snake draft. Each turn goes like this: - Whoever's turn it is nominates a player - People bid on that player with a fixed budget (usually $200) - Highest bid wins the player. That's it. Simple, right? It usually only takes newbies about 10 minutes of a mock before they are comfortable with the format. I like using the mock auction on Yahoo or ESPN. Although, I'm always looking for new mock auctions that fill up with real people, to broaden my auction data, so if you've got another site you like please comment. https://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/mock_lobby?lobby=auction https://fantasy.espn.com/football/mockdraftlobby Now that you've done a mock and understand the format, here are some easy-to-follow tips for success. Bonus: There are a LOT of bad tips out there, that some of your leaguemates will probably be following, so you're already ahead of them. 2. Get a Couple of Great Players you Love  I love Christian McCaffrey even more than this This is the beauty of auction, you aren't forced into selecting guys based on where you fall in the draft order. Do you think Dalvin Cook is all healed up and going to dominate? Get him. Are you a Giants fan who loves rooting for Saquon Barkley? Get him. Are you convinced that Damien Williams has real talent and could become a top 5 RB? You're an idiot, but get him. By "get him," do I mean enter into a bidding war until they are way past their recommended value? Put simply: Yes. If that makes you uneasy, a general rule of thumb for a top-15 overall ranked player is 10% over recommended value. So if David Johnson is recommended for $55, you can feel confident going as high as $61. However, even that's not hard and fast if you truly love a player. Last year I was starry-eyed over Christian McCaffrey. His recommended auction value was around $45, but I would often bid into the mid-$50s, about 20% higher. He was a top 2 RB that year and is going for mid-$60s now in 12 team leagues, and ecstatically cheering him on was a high point of my fantasy experience in 2018. The thing to take away from this is: You can't count on value for a top 15 player. They almost never go for recommended auction value or lower and, if they do, your league is probably bad at auction and you can dominate regardless of how tightly you adhere to these strategies. Just get the guys you want to root for, and make up the value with the less-appealing mid-round guys who fall for a steal. 3. Don't spend all your money on 3 high end players  Which is better: A lot of pretty good candy or 3 amazing jellybeans? There's a reason why I said get "a couple" of great players. 2 is a fine number. 1 will do, if you really like a lot of the guys going in rounds 3-5 and want to fill your team with them. But spending upwards of $160+ dollars on three players will leave the rest of your fantasy team struggling. Sadly, this is a popular strategy espoused by many fantasy football writers. It's called "Stars and Scrubs." The theory is that a lot of cheap players emerge as winners, so why not anchor your team with proven studs and then sift through the pile of $1-$5 players? My answer is as simple as it is aggressive: A lot of times that just doesn't work, Pollyanna. Sometimes it does, which is why many fantasy pundits think it's a viable strategy: They did it in their once yearly auction so it must work all the time. Zero-RB snake draft strategy sometimes works, but fantasy writers rarely say, "you never want to draft an RB before round 6," because frequently zero RB doesn't work for that particular snake draft. Stars and Scrubs is like spending your entire paycheck on a new TV, speakers, and a Nintendo Switch, then hoping it doesn't get too hot because you can't afford air conditioning or water. Sure, it works sometimes, but it's not a good idea. What does work every time is getting 1-2 top 15 players then spreading the rest of your budget around to get a nice balance of medium players. Speaking of which... 4. Save some room in your starting lineup for a wide receiver steal.  Not Pictured: Calvin Ridley. Because he's inside that bag If you look at WRs ranked 15-30, there's not a lot of difference, this year. Some people like Dante Pettis more than Tyler Lockett or Kenny Golladay, yet Pettis is 10+ spots behind those guys in rankings. More than ever, some WR2 will go for about half off their recommended value, somewhere in the $5-$15 range. Owners aren't excited enough to open their wallets, and many of them have filled their WR and even Flex spots before all the WR2 candidates have been nominated. Take advantage of this lack of demand to wait on your second wide receiver until they fall for at least 50% off, usually more. In every mock I've done this year across multiple platforms, I've gotten a WR that was recommended in the $15-$25 range for under $10, sometimes under $5. While typing this I got Calvin Ridley (auction recommendation: $17-$22) for $7. This is the safety "valve" that allows you to over spend for those top 2 players you love: You will make it up in WR2 value. 5. In the first few rounds, nominate players you don't want that are about 10-15 spots down the list  The right early nomination will eat up money faster than, well, probably that guy on the left Whether auctioning online or in person, you should have a list of players with some sort of auction ranking by recommended dollar value. Your goal on nominations should be to get as much money out of the pot with a guy you hate. You want to pick one from slightly down the list because usually most owners nominate people from the top of the list, so any players you hate there will probably get nominated soon anyway. I like nominating Todd Gurley and Damien Williams early. I don't want them, they are going for about $35-$45, and they don't usually get nominated until towards picks 20-30. Not only does this get a sizeable chunk of an owner's budget out of future potential bidding wars, it fills up someone's RB1 slot, making them less likely to want to overpay for an RB1 I actually do want. In the middle rounds I still nominate people I don't want, but I tend to target positions with scarcity over players that might fetch a high dollar value. If I don't get a top 3 tight end, I start nominating a highly ranked TE that's not OJ Howard or Evan Engram. I really want those guys and I don't like any other tight end, so by nominating guys like Eric Ebron I significantly reduces the demand another owner has for tight end. Think about it: If an owner paid $12 for Ebron, are they going to want to get in a bidding war for Engram or Howard? It's a basic economic concept: Reduce the demand for players you want and the supply of money available for other people to bid on players you like. Yet I constantly see auction advice columns that advocate other strategies, like: - Nominate a player you want early, before the market value is set. This is another one of those "hey it worked sometimes in my limited number of auctions, so I'll advise people to do it every time" fallacies. Yes, sometimes you can sneak a player out there and all 11 other owners will totally forget they have an auction sheet in front of them telling them exactly what a player is worth. But most of the time, it doesn't happen. Think about it, all it takes is ONE other owner to really like a top player you like, and they'll bid more than market value. Considering the early rounds see many owners with a lot of money left to spend, it's not a good play. Also consider this: Other owners are nominating players, too. So if there is a deal to be had by nominating a good player before the market is set, there's a good chance another owner will do it for you. Meanwhile you keep systematically whittling away at the demand for good players and the supply of money and get the best of both worlds. - Nominate the most expensive player remaining, to get the most out of the pot. This is another one of those good ideas that other owners will execute for you. Owners want to bid on great players early, when they have the money, so most will be nominating players from the top of the list. Meanwhile you're going a little lower on the list to get back-end RB and WR1s onto people's rosters, making them less likely to want to really push up the bidding on the top tier guys. - Nominate a kicker or defense for $1 early. I see this a shocking amount of time, both in fantasy auction advice columns and in actual auctions. Frankly, it's really stupid. The thought process goes like this "if no one bids, I get a kicker/defense I wanted, and if another owner bids then that's a dollar out of the pot." The logic is sound, but it can be done on a much larger scale: If getting a dollar out of the pot is good, then getting $30-$45 out of the pot by nominating a RB/WR you don't want must be dozens of times better. Also, if you really care that much about getting a specific kicker or defense, just bid $2 on them when they get nominated. It's only an extra dollar, you have 200 of them, make yourself happy. 6. Save $10-$20 for your bench  A cheap bench can't support 6 NFL players. That's just simple physics. In the later rounds of auction, $2 bids are king. Many owners will stretch themselves out making their starting lineup and have only $1 left for bench players. This means that they have to wait until it's their turn to nominate, pick a guy they want, then wait to see if any other owner who actually has money left wants them (and they usually do). Having the funds to bid $2 every time a guy you want gets nominated gives you 12x the chances of getting a good player than the $1 owner gets, because you can bid on every nomination whereas those with just $1/bench slot left can only get players when they nominate them. That's it: The 6 simple tips to transform yourself from auction noobie to auction veteran. Once again: 1. Do a mock to learn the format 2. Get 1-2 top 15 players you really love 3. Don't blow your budget on 3 top 15 players 4. Save some room in your starting lineup for a wide receiver steal 5. In the first 5 or so rounds, nominate players you hate that are about 10-15 spots from the top of the list. After that, nominate players you hate in a position you still need until you reach the rounds when $1-$5 bids are enough to win. Then nominate players you want 6. Save $10-$20 for your bench If you were on the fence about auctioning, I hope this convinces you that it can be easy to get into. I can't convey how much fun it is, too, you have to experience it for yourself.
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It has literally been the same argument for 4(?) years now with Henry. If you truly believe this is the year, then go for it. Hell, you might as well draft Josh Gordon too.
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Need some input on if i should keep anyone in my 12 person ppr league: That is the order I drafted them in. I can keep 1 up until round 6 and then i could keep 2 after round 6. I am thinking about keeping Kirk and Golladay. THoughts? 1 K. Allen 2 3 L. Fitzgerald 4 Z. Ertz 5 T. Cohen 6 C. Newton 7 J. Crowder 8 R. Anderson 9 T. Montgomery 10 T. Burton 11 K. Golladay 12 D. Prescott 13 P. Richardson 14 CJ Anderson 15 J. Elliott 16 Denver 17 C. Kirk 18 A. Callaway
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This is an awesome post, thanks for writing it up! I love auctions - the first time was nerve-wracking but now they're absolutely the preferred method of drafting.
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RCarr posted:It has literally been the same argument for 4(?) years now with Henry. If you truly believe this is the year, then go for it. Hell, you might as well draft Josh Gordon too. I mean the difference here is Gordon has always been a mid rounder where Henry has been a 3-4 consistently. Really I wanted to hear some opinions on him because I'd been considering him in the inter board draft
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Drunk Nerds posted:I've had several people ask about basic auction tips, so I sat down to hammer out an effort post about it. When my frenzied fugue finally cleared up, I realized I'd written quite more in-depth than I expected. I might turn this into an article, but I wanted to post it here first in hopes that it will encourage goons to try out the pure bliss that is an auction draft. Thanks man, that's beautiful and informative. Does out IBL league have any form of auctioning or is it just something I'll have to try out in good time?
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Play posted:Thanks man, that's beautiful and informative. Does out IBL league have any form of auctioning or is it just something I'll have to try out in good time? IBL is all snake draft. I'm sure there are a few goon auciton leagues posted in TAQ
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Auction works great if you don't have jackasses who bid 80 bucks on the best players.
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Poque posted:This is an awesome post, thanks for writing it up! I love auctions - the first time was nerve-wracking but now they're absolutely the preferred method of drafting. Other than step 3 giving you diabetes
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kiimo posted:Auction works great if you don't have jackasses who bid 80 bucks on the best players. Then bid 81!
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Tiptoes posted:This is a crazy thing to say about Henry. He has a 97th-percentile Speed Score and 88th-percentile Burst Score in a 6'3" 247 lb frame. He led the league in Yards Created Per Carry last season. It's all about whether the Titans will actually feed him but he's talented enough to threaten to lead the league in rushing if they do. His talent as a runner is not an issue. Agree to disagree. Having amazing measurables is different than having talent. I see a really big guy that can run straight really fast.
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Tiptoes posted:This is a crazy thing to say about Henry. He has a 97th-percentile Speed Score and 88th-percentile Burst Score in a 6'3" 247 lb frame. He led the league in Yards Created Per Carry last season. It's all about whether the Titans will actually feed him but he's talented enough to threaten to lead the league in rushing if they do. His talent as a runner is not an issue. Yeah, he's big, fast and bad. This will be my first time not owning him and it's a relief. You talent as a runner is determined by production, and if it weren't for a four game outlier, he would be a late round pick this year. Azhais posted:Other than step 3 giving you diabetes Not if you only go for fancy jellybeans
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