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Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Tip posted:

The arc reactor opens a portal to an alternate dimension of pure energy.

I don't know anything about comic books.

Generally Marvel doesn't even try to align with real science. I still remember during Iron Man II, when Stark triumphantly announced he had invented a new element. Uhhhh yeah.

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Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is Ennis actually involved with the making of the show?

Gynovore
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Zaphod42 posted:

I think that's a very fair question, and not to my knowledge

E: I guess he met with Rogan and others to discuss adapting the work, but I don't think he's approving scripts or on-set or anything. I think he's actually writing new Boys comics to try to capitalize on the show. (and heard they're bad)

Huh??? I mean, in the comics, almost everyone dies.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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TV IV: The Boys Season 2: Don't be a pussy, laser my loving tits.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Zaphod42 posted:

This gets into one of the "problems with super heroes if they were real" that watchmen and boys don't seem to touch on, but seems like a big obvious deal to me and part of why its always just power fantasy;

If you legitimately had the powers of a superhero, would there not be a massive burden on your shoulders to work 24/7?

If you had Gecko powers, and you could regenerate skin, wouldn't that create a nightmare horror scenario where you're literally being tortured 24/7 as your skin and organs are repeatedly removed over and over?

If you ever decide, "hey guys, I'm gonna take a vacation and spend a week in Disneyland" well, hundreds of people are now going to DIE because you're choosing to relax.

This is also true of like Superman/Homelander, like if you can legitimately hear Lois Lane screaming for help from miles away, then that means you're hearing people in distress every second of every day, and you're basically choosing to ignore most of them.

"with great power comes great responsibility" taken to its absurd extreme

They dealt with this in Strong Female Protagonist. One character had a healing factor that would make Wolverine envious. She decided to have doctors remove her heart a thousand times in a row, to be transplanted into people who need them.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Another Bill posted:

I'm really hoping that Love Sausage is still alive, and we see him extol the virtues of communism wearing a skin tight red leotard at some point.

It was fun to see him, but I wish they had actually given him some lines.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Grizzled Patriarch posted:

Or the subplot where his 12-year-old daughter, who looks like an adult because of the trace V in her system passed on from MM, gets talked into doing mother-daughter porn with MM's crack-addicted wife.

Wait whaaaaat? I remember the part where Butcher ran off her rear end in a top hat boyfriends but this is a new one.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Grizzled Patriarch posted:

Yeah it's really awful stuff.

When was it?

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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As soon as I saw Hubert McNeckbeard at the beginning I knew he was going to be a racist fuckface.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Aces High posted:

everyone brought their facial acting A-game this episode, we had our usual good stuff from Homelander, Kimiko, A-Train, but we got some phenomenal stuff from Butcher, Becca, hell we had some terrific stuff from Ashley and Starlight

Yeah this. All the actors are good, but Starr and Urban are totally knocking it out of the park.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Riatsala posted:

How the hell did Lamplighter end up in the Seven in the first place? No super durability, no immunity to his own powers, no extra mobility, and his core super power is destructive, but no exactly game-changing.

90% of the "crimefighting" the Seven do is fake, and what isn't fake is carefully set up. This is why they hosed up so badly on 9/11, because they had very little actual experience.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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OMG, "Pornfront Productions".

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Romes128 posted:

The comic reveal is Black Noir was made from the same DNA as Homelander, and is basically his twin who's crazy af. He was made to be a contingency for Homelander. He did most of the really vile poo poo Homelander was blamed for, like raping Butchers wife and raping and murdering a gently caress ton of people. Homelander himself did some really bad poo poo too, but when confronted by Butcher about the rape allegations he was like, "that wasn't me." Then Black Noir takes off his mask and starts generally being crazy.

Important detail: Black Noir rapes, kills, and eats a baby, then anonymously sends photographs of him doing it to Homelander. Because Noir is a clone of Homelander, he has the same face, so Homelander assumes it was him doing it during a drug blackout (presumably this was before Photoshop). So, Homelander becomes a psychopath because he believes he already is.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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babypolis posted:

this plot point sucks so much and I dont understand why people like it so much. No one would ever assume they are actually doing those things, much less in a world filled with literal magic. Im glad the show is clearly staying far away from it

Yeah. I mean, personally I don't feel that the comic is 'edgelord bullshit'... but that particular bit definitely is.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Super awesome episode, looking forward to 18 more seasons.

Minor quibble: Why did everyone instantly turn against Stormfront when the pictures came out? She said "those are obviously deepfakes", so we know Photoshop exists in the Boys universe. Did no one even bring up the possibility that they might be fake?

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Boris Galerkin posted:

I have never heard of Fresca before in my life. Is it a regional thing? Is it Bezo’s favorite drink or something?

It came out in the 60's, but it hasn't been advertised at all since the 80's. It's one of those 873 forgotten sodas that each get six inches of supermarket shelf, like Mr. Pibb and Surge.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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scary ghost dog posted:

i lolled when she said “there are people out there who hate us, who want to hurt us, just because of the color of our skin. its called white genocide”

And then Homelander's facial expression was "uhhhhh yeah, whatever."

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Phi230 posted:

Love sausage better join the boys next season

Yeah, it's a shame they didn't make him an actual character. Vas was awesome in the comic.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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jabby posted:

Now that I think about it, it actually makes comic A-Train way less responsible for Robin's death than TV A-Train. And yet comic A-Train gets brutally beaten and killed out of revenge while TV A-Train is basically rehabilitated.

In comics, A-Train is a turbo-rear end in a top hat. He tried to rape Starlight at one point.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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jabby posted:

There are so many little moments of Homelander noticing red flags from Stormfront and choosing to ignore them.

Homelander isn't a Nazi, but he's not exactly anti-Nazi either. If the ending hadn't happened, he might well have gone along with Storefront because 1) Nookie 2) He hates everyone, why not just run with it?

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Neurolimal posted:

Unless I misread the ending wildly Butcher also implies that he knows in some corner of his head that what he's doing is wrong, and wants Hughie to stop him from committing super-genocide (like his brother would). Right when Hughie loses his remaining lead on where to find him, Butcher calls in a terrorist threat at the Empire State Building to lure him up, and is genuinely surprised when Hughie makes a lunge for him instead of talking him down. He could have let Hughie (who would have died from the bomb-V detonation anyways) fall and carried out the plan.

Kinda like that. Butcher gets some plot-device gizmo that will kill anyone with V in their system, and plans to use it. The boys point out that this will also kill tens of thousands of non-supes with traces of V, but Butcher decides to do it anyway because he just hates supes so gosh darn much. He kills MM and Frenchie, then Hughie tries to stop him, and Butcher says "I could kill you on the spot but you're such a nice person" or something, then they have a really dumb fight, then spend an entire issue after being mortally wounded telling Hughie what a super nice person he is. It's really the weakest point of the series.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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I just found out Jack Quaid is on Lower Decks.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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usenet celeb 1992 posted:

But yeah, Stan's not making it to the end of the show and it will almost certainly be by Homelander's hands.

Maybe Homelander will laser off half his face.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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tokin opposition posted:

this would not have happened if the show was The Girls

Ugggghhhh, now I'm imagining what would happen if Ennis did a title with all female protagonists.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Clipperton posted:

Yeah I'm a huge Ennis fan but there's a reason The Boys is no one's favourite Ennis comic. He just doesn't care enough about superheroes to parody them effectively (compare with something like Rifle Brigade, where he's way more invested in the tropes he's sending up) and it gets pretty lazy.

If they took the more serious stuff from the comics (eg Vought vs the US government, the Hughie-Annie romance) and combined it with the show's superhero bits, that'd be the best of both worlds imo.

I loved the idea of "What if superheroes were assholes?" IMHO the problem was that Ennis never firmly decided whether to parody existing superhero comics or to create his own world.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Mu Zeta posted:

I don't think Homelander is even racist. He just think he's better than everyone. I guess he also hates anyone disabled or with a deformity.

Homelander is the most non-racist person there is! He hates all races and creeds equally.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Alan Smithee posted:

yah ashley's such a weasel and her actress is way good at selling it. At this point she kind of is Vought since either Homelander gets what he wants or is in over his head or everyone else is just a boring suit

Absolutely every actor is knocking it out of the park.

Gynovore
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PostNouveau posted:

I was confused by Kimiko and Frenchie kissing because I'd assumed they were just full-time romantic partners at this point.

In the hospital, he calls her "mon coeur", which means "my heart", so he feels at least something for her.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Boofy posted:

so what was that gunpowder guy's superpower, anyway? just 'being really good at guns' like that guy in the really bad wolverine movie?

He ricoched a bullet off two pillars, so I'm guessing his power is 'superhumanly good with guns', like Cap with his shield.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Sorry if this has already been posted, but isn't Emma's power pretty much a ripoff of Big Bertha from Marvel's Great Lakes Avengers?

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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iv46vi posted:

And this makes dean’s plan to find a secluded spot to blackmail a guy who beats other people for the thrill of it and clearly dislikes her such a brilliant move.

Also, Tek Knight is kind of a moron for going up to her and saying "hey guess what, I'm gonna pin everything on you!" I mean, he knows that Vought is a shitshow, so anyone who managed to become dean must at least have well connected friends.

Gynovore
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BIG HEADLINE posted:

Galactus actually had a kinda-sorta daughter named Galacta. And that's really all one needs to know about the character.

This is from a one-shot that's an awesome read if you can find it.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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La Louve Rouge posted:

this show is eating Marvel's lunch, this is pretty much exactly what I would want from a live-action X-men show. teen drama, superpowered campus hijinx, lil' intrigue, big Youth Culture aesthetic

Yeah seriously this. I picked up Disney a few months ago so I could binge Marvel stuff, and all the miniserieses that have come out in the past five years have been... meh. She-Hulk, New Mutants, Loki, Ms. Marvel. None of them were bad, they all had top-notch production values, good acting and decent writing, but none have any edge to them. Except Wandavision, that was awesome.

Gynovore
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BIG HEADLINE posted:

Honestly, the best part about that sex scene is that Sam recognized he wasn't well, shared that openly, and that he might inadvertently hurt Emma. That's more foresight than pretty much the entire male population has before just getting randomly laid, let alone losing their virginity.

I'm starting to think that the theme of GenV and The Boys is "everyone is really hosed up."

Dr. Cardossa, the guy in charge of the woods, seems the least hosed in the head.

Gynovore
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Jerusalem posted:

I'm so grateful that they went all out on producing the full version of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9qbAuNnFU0

:allears:

Holy poo poo they totally nailed the look and feel of Solid Gold. (yes I actually watched it when I was little)

Gynovore
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Fellatio del Toro posted:

To me it was a disappointing cop out that just left Shetty feeling like not much more than a standard comic villain with a splash of The Boys™️ dark edginess

What bothered me is that "supes killed my family, therefore I want to kill every last one" is just Butcher with a coat of paint. They didn't even change the country of origin, they just slapped a pair of headlights in front.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Jumping on the :bandwagon: to say that the series up till now was great but the last episode sucked.

So they're just standing around with Shetty all over the place going "Let's, um, take them down or something...?" They charge into the woods with no game plan, release the supes and go all "you're the superior race!!", and then wow, what a surprise, they're slaughtering people, who could possible have seen that coming??? And then Cate goes nuts (surprise!!) and then a confusing and pointless fight to save the Vought board even though they know fully well that Vought are all assholes. Not to mention Ashley has plot armor from being in the main series so there's no tension. Then Marie's Big Moment is to use her powers to make daggers instead of whips (wow!!), then Homelander shows up and they have no idea what to do with him, then an unsatisfying ending. And then Butcher show up in the post credits and repeats the same line he's used 834 times before.

It's the same as it was with The Boys... mostly great but the ending of S3 sucked.

Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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breadshaped posted:


- in what universe is changing the narrative to make Sam and Cate the heroes and the rest the villains something that makes rational sense or will even hold up under scrutiny?

Show sucked.

Vought controls the media. People will believe anything if you repeat it loudly and there are no dissenting voices.

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Gynovore
Jun 17, 2009

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Strom Cuzewon posted:

I'm assuming homelander blasted a hole right through her and she blood-powered herself back together.

I'm also assuming the VFX budget ran out at that exact point

The show is bankrolled by Amazon, which is basically a huge mountain of cash.

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