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Sinteres posted:They are, but in the case of the Scorcese movies the comparison is unfavorable to Joker. I mean falling short of peak Scorcese obviously isn't the end of the world, since almost everyone will, but having seen the other movies reduces the novelty of Joker for sure. As for Kaufman, I think Phoenix is good enough that pointing out any inspiration doesn't lessen what he did. I genuinely think The Joker is a better movie than Taxi Driver, because I genuinely think that Phoenix is a better actor than De Niro. I just watched The Dark Knight last night because I miss Heath Ledger and while his performance was just as amazing as I remember, I forgot how bad everyone in that movie is except for Oldman. Eckhart is just screaming RACHEL half the time and Bale, whose moves once seemed so powerful and cool, moves like he is wading through Molasses. CelticPredator posted:So what It’s good! I think it’s a great choice!
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Sinteres posted:They are, but in the case of the Scorcese movies the comparison is unfavorable to Joker. I mean falling short of peak Scorcese obviously isn't the end of the world, since almost everyone will, but having seen the other movies reduces the novelty of Joker for sure. As for Kaufman, I think Phoenix is good enough that pointing out any inspiration doesn't lessen what he did. It's frustrating. I think prior to this movie's production the idea of a Joker origin story heavily influenced by Scorsese would be basically a dream come true. Plus I think a lot of people just get as far as identifying the movie's plainly obvious influences and behaving like them being able to do that is worthy criticism in and of itself.
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Film Critics and Cinema Twitter: This movie borrows HEAVILY from Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy Literal Robert loving De Niro: Yeah, so?
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Bust Rodd posted:I genuinely think The Joker is a better movie than Taxi Driver, because I genuinely think that Phoenix is a better actor than De Niro. eeeehhhhh i rewatched Taxi Driver not too long ago with Joker still reasonably fresh in my mind, and I'd honestly say it's just kind of a wash between the two like, outside of the basic plot of "isolated weirdo turns to violence," they're not actually super similar movies and Bickle isn't a super similar character to Fleck. the best way I can sum up the difference is in how the two relate to the world around them; Bickle's isolation is something he deliberately feeds out of disdain and hatred for the world around him, only occasionally seeing someone as a "bright spot" that he's willing to come out of his shell for. meanwhile, Fleck craves connection and enmeshment with other people; his isolation is absolutely not self-induced, but the product of everyone around him having a bizarre instinctive hatred of him, and either seeing him as a novelty or as an easy target. Bickle's isolation spirals into delusions of grandeur, where he's the one hero in a city of monsters; Fleck, meanwhile, turns to violence as a last-ditch hail mary to try and make his life matter, at all, beyond just being a target for others.
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Bickle's status as a veteran was also a pretty important element of the character and that's something completely absent from Joker.
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Even if Taxi Driver and Joker were otherwise equally good, and I don't think that's true, I think the effort Joker spent (or wasted) on establishing ties with the broader comic book continuity has to take it down a notch. That stuff maybe had to be there to appeal to a broader audience, so I don't think it was a mistake, but it didn't add much to the actual movie.
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Joker's really more a Maoist propaganda film than anything else at its core.
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Feb 11, 2020 19:59
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really Joker has more in common with Neon Genesis Evangelion than it does with Taxi Driver, thematically
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They outright say, in dialogue, that Thomas Wayne deserves what's coming to him.
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I'm pretty sure Joker said he's not ideological, and that's his name in the title, so any ideology you bring into it is on you.
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Hmm. Alright!
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A person can lash out against societal injustice without being familiar with the political or philosophical arguments.
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Between this and Phoenix's speeches, MAGA chud fans of Joker are going to be really confused. Disappointed that Ryan Reynolds is a Mayor Pete supporter though (as shown in a reply to that tweet).
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Bust Rodd posted:I genuinely think The Joker is a better movie than Taxi Driver, because I genuinely think that Phoenix is a better actor than De Niro. Hmmm ... *Checks rap sheet* ... Yep, checks out
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Phoenix has definitely got some skills as a dancer.
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well its not wrong.
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twerking on the railroad posted:Hmmm LMAO a narc in the Joker thread smdh
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Truly the something something we deserve
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I saw the purple and didnt think of the new movie and instead the 89 art scene. I was like, yeah theres' stairs but he doesn't really dance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oi_3qy1si4
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The MSJ posted:Disappointed that Ryan Reynolds is a Mayor Pete supporter though (as shown in a reply to that tweet). the guy who consciously and uncritically chose to be the leading man in a gleefully pro-interventionist, pro-billionaire, pro-cia coup film in 2020 has bad politics wow
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edit: I have a giant bias of mostly hating most pulp super hero movies made in the past ten years. I thought avengers, spiderman, thor, etc are all mostly poo poo and totally forgettable. The Nolan batman's were good, Ironman 1 was a good action movie, thats about it. Finally watched this for the first time when I had nothing else good on. I avoided it in theatres and early release because of all the bad reviews as well as everyone saying it was poo poo during oscar season. Pretty good. I am sucker for gritty 70s/80s NYC. Phoenix was fantastic as usual and holy poo poo is he skinny in this. Overall this is one of the better movies in its very particular genre of movies in the past few years. 4/5 . Phoenix is 4.9/5 Good to great but not a masterpiece. Worlds, worlds better than 95% of superhero movies.
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Didn't DaFoe essentially play The Joker in Death Note?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Didn't DaFoe essentially play The Joker in Death Note? I felt it was more the Green Goblin but completely unleashed. I guess at the end of the day it's a potato-potahto situation.
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Joker committing crimes while maintaining the six foot rule and proper hygiene.
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Just finished this movie and all I have to say is that Joaquin Phoenix is a really, really good actor
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im da joker baby
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Professor Shark posted:Just finished this movie and all I have to say is that Joaquin Phoenix is a really, really good actor And a really, really good dancer.
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McSpanky posted:Joker committing crimes while maintaining the six foot rule and proper hygiene. i could actually genuinely see this, because a common trait of the Joker in comics and non-Joaquin-Phoenix depictions is that he's always looking for some weird new gimmick to change things up committing social distancing crimes would be pretty on-brand for him, either simply because the challenge makes it funnier, or because he straight-up doesn't want to get COVID (the Joker having occasional "sane" viewpoints and ideas is always funny as gently caress when it happens)
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REminds me of the animated series: "I'm crazy enough to fight Batman, but the IRS? NO~ THANK YOU!"
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I get how this movie is similar to Taxi Driver but I liked it more despite being a comicbook movie.
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Joker is real now and I'm glad
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Stairmaster posted:Joker is real now and I'm glad Now yuo see...
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I felt the worst part of the movie was that it was too rosy optimistic about American's willingness to do anything about anything, so it's retroactively gotten better.
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