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Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.



Buglord

Sapozhnik posted:

eight hours a day five days a week was also a "radical demand" once upon a time, and the bosses dropped bombs from privately owned aircraft onto the workers fighting for it

they don't even need to do that any more because the population in the united states is currently exhibiting levels of peasant mentality not seen since the middle ages

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4lokos basilisk
Jul 17, 2008



well yeah that's what i am saying, it is a radical demand.

and the reason i would just prefer to cut the standard working day down to 7h or whatever to account for the commute is just that it's so much more simpler to do than set up a complicated system of paying for everyone's special snowflake methods of commute. everyone lives and commutes differently, this is just asking to set up a neat way for business to divide workers into groups that are all pissed-jealous about the other

mystes
May 31, 2006



It's also not great to encourage people to move out to the suburbs and become super commuters.

tracecomplete
Feb 26, 2017



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pessimizer 7 hours ago | parent | context | unflag | favorite | on: Why Galesburg has no money

Consumption taxes are regressive and bad, but at least they're justifiable. Without government protection, the poor/weak have no rights that the rich/strong have to respect; they end up enslaved, serfs. So they pay a poverty/weakness tax.

Imagine the effort that a government has to put in to offset racist discrimination, as an example. While we might say that racism is a problem caused by the racist, we can't say that racism is a problem for the racist. It's a problem for the race being discriminated against. Levying a tax to pay for that expense makes sense in a purely payment-for-services model of government. Lots of Europe used to charge Jewish taxes, and the Islamic world both Jewish and Christian taxes.

Drink it in.

rjmccall
Sep 7, 2007

no worries friend

Fun Shoe

yeah, not directly rewarding something with as obvious systemic/social costs as a longer commute is like policymaking 101

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.



Buglord

Hire people that live closer

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009





tracecomplete posted:

Drink it in.

are they trying to imply that progressive taxes arent justifiable

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010





Bread Liar

the discussion about commutes also needs to consider that the workplace can also move independent of any individual's choice

my office moved from the center of town, a 14 minute 7 mile drive, to the absolute south rear end edge of the city, in the richest neighborhood, because it was "better for [the boss's] kids", and increased my commute to 25-30m+ and 15 miles, with occasionally wildly increased times because of congestion. other people were even worse off

people can also be moved to new locations if their current one closes or a new one is opening and needs people


Nomnom Cookie posted:

are they trying to imply that progressive taxes arent justifiable

the far more, uh, enlightening part was at the end:

quote:

Consumption taxes are regressive and bad, but at least they're justifiable. Without government protection, the poor/weak have no rights that the rich/strong have to respect; they end up enslaved, serfs. So they pay a poverty/weakness tax.

you pay a poor tax to the government to prevent the rich from treating you like slaves

notably absent is the concept of, you know, not letting rich people do that. (or not letting people be rich, period.)

DaTroof
Nov 16, 2000

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Who was getting quite long in the toof


Zamujasa posted:

the discussion about commutes also needs to consider that the workplace can also move independent of any individual's choice

my office moved from the center of town, a 14 minute 7 mile drive, to the absolute south rear end edge of the city, in the richest neighborhood, because it was "better for [the boss's] kids", and increased my commute to 25-30m+ and 15 miles, with occasionally wildly increased times because of congestion. other people were even worse off

people can also be moved to new locations if their current one closes or a new one is opening and needs people

the far more, uh, enlightening part was at the end:

you pay a poor tax to the government to prevent the rich from treating you like slaves

notably absent is the concept of, you know, not letting rich people do that. (or not letting people be rich, period.)

i remember an old joke about the best way to improve your commute being not moving closer to wherever your company is currently located, but moving closer to where the owner lives

true and funny, but slightly less funny in retrospect

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt



Zamujasa posted:

my office moved from the center of town, a 14 minute 7 mile drive, to the absolute south rear end edge of the city, in the richest neighborhood, because it was "better for [the boss's] kids", and increased my commute to 25-30m+ and 15 miles, with occasionally wildly increased times because of congestion. other people were even worse off

here are the options:

1) the owner knows that some workers may quit in face of a longer commute, and is ok with it
2) the owner knows that some workers may quit in face of a longer commute, and made sure to keep them happy (wfh / raises)
3) the owner is an idiot who didn't think of it and will make a pikachu face when a bunch of workers quit
4) the owner knows that his workers are desperate and will suck up the extra commute time / living costs because they have no other options

4) is the one that actually can't be addressed by individual negotiation (i.e. requires unions and/or labor law), it's however not different from a million other legitimate-but-rear end in a top hat things a company might do when it has the workers over a barrel, which is the OG problem

imo trying to achieve satisfactory worker-capital relationships by painstakingly compiling a list of specific actions that capital isn't allowed to do is a poor strategy. inevitably you'll find a situation where capital is legally allowed to gently caress workers over and they can't do poo poo about it (or, much less important but still suboptimal, there are arrangements that both would be happy with but are not allowed because in a different situation they could be used to abuse workers)

capital should be put in a position where keeping its employees broadly happy is as business-critical as keeping its clients happy. and what makes a certain group of workers happy / unhappy is often not going to be the same thing that keeps a different group happy / unhappy

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010





Bread Liar

4 is going to be the usual case, because (esp in the us) so much poo poo is tied into jobs. like if you need health care for whatever reason, you better hope your job provides it or pays you enough to manage, because lol otherwise. and in the tech sector there's a lot of contractors / probation periods where you don't get that benefit until you've been there for 90 days or whatever

the most effective solution is a strong enough safety net that being able to quit one's job is something all people can afford to do, but lol at the idea of capital ever giving up enough power for that to even be a possibility

:sigh:

fritz
Jul 26, 2003



kerneloftruth 4 minutes ago | root | parent | prev | next []

I keep expecting (not hopefully) the establishment of "Trans Racial" people, where people want to be recognized as the race they identify as, rather than what they were labeled at birth. The logic is precisely the same as transgenderism. There have been a few cases, with the Rachel Dolezal case of 2015 getting a lot of attention.[1] I wonder if the status that transgenderism has achieved would make such a movement easier. Or, would it discredit such movements and "dysphoria" diagnoses. I mean, if we're going to alter/deny immutable traits, and if race is truly a "social construct", why wouldn't trans-racialism become a thing?
[1] https://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/washington-spokane-naacp-r...
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josh04
Oct 19, 2008





wow, what a good faith response definitely not carrying water for any particular hate movement

mystes
May 31, 2006



howmayiannoyyou 45 minutes ago | prev | next [–]


Love the poster's ingenuity and hate his attitude, and the antiwork subreeddit.

Attitude: $90,000 per year isn't likely to generate enough money for this person's retirement, particularly if they encounter major expenses. He should be spending his new free time either developing a side-hustle, a business, or delivering additional value for his employer for which he must insist on additional compensation. I used to be well aware of evidence & case management systems and this person is one decision away from existing software making his perceived job less relevant.

Antiwork: I entered the workforce during a deep recession, and I was a recruiter for infoTech during another recession. I've traveled extensively overseas for work. It will be an employers market eventually, perhaps soon, and the antiwork crowd is going to meet reality head-on when it happens. Nothing wrong with ditching bad employers & developing side-hustles. There is something wrong with demonizing work. Part (by no means all) of the growth one sees abroad is due to acceptance and often positive attitudes about work, with less emphasis on "fairness". Life isn't even close to fair and some societies and people understand how to work with that better than others do.

Let the downvoting and flaming begin (sadly).

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Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004





it's blinkzorz!

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016


a side hustle, also known as having to work two jobs despite earning 90 grand due to declining real wages

Truman Peyote
Oct 11, 2006






is there any web site on earth where people whine about downvoting more than hn

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015


:reddit:?

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012



lmao @ the hn music thread

mystes
May 31, 2006



ipspam 4 days ago [–]


As it should.

America invented modern healthcare. Love it or hate it, this is the system that gave us modern advanced medicine. 75%+ until recently, with Europe making up most of the difference.

The alternative seemingly suggested, non-selfishness and non-predatory research practices would leave the world with a level of medicine experienced in the 1990's. Every single person would be worse off, from the richest of the rich to the poorest of the poor.

So yeah, some people are going to miss out on healthcare because of the system, but it's the system that gave them (amazing) healthcare in the first place, which is accessible to 80+%, 90% of the time.

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jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004




Fun Shoe

don't want to go out on too much of a limb but i think if the poorest of the poor had access to all the best healthcare of the 1990s they would be much better off than if they had access to jack poo poo like they currently do

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



i remain unconvinced that healthcare has improved at all since the 90s for anyone but the very rich. health metrics keep going up sure, but that's confounded by the quality of healthcare (and attitudes toward drinking lead) from the 30s/40s also naturally aging out of the stats.

Plorkyeran
Mar 21, 2007

To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed


health metrics stopped going up, actually. life expectancy dipped recently.

susan b buffering
Nov 14, 2016



Plorkyeran posted:

health metrics stopped going up, actually. life expectancy dipped recently.

the decline had started before covid even

epitaph
Dec 31, 2008


averages suck. i bet the distribution for life expectancy was not exactly gaussian even before the mean started declining.

mystes
May 31, 2006



Pretty much every comment by that user (ipspam) could be posted here too, it's tremendous content.

ipspam 22 hours ago | parent | context | prev | next [–] | on: White House will distribute 400M free N95 masks to...

So it's now admitted that cloth masks didn't work, but that N95 masks provide "better" protection.
And the government thinks that 1 disposable mark per person, that might or might not have some small benefit, will change things for the better?

Lol. Sounds like some Diversity, Equity, Inclusion folk came up with this nonsensically equitable non-prevention of COVID strategy.

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ipspam 22 hours ago | parent | context | prev | next [–] | on: 4°C warming by 2100 “can't be ruled out”

I'm glad we don't have to do anything but wait for the egregious models to die. I remember when 8 degrees was a thing!
Now it's almost definitely under 4, and we already have roughly 1.25 degrees under our belt? And coming out of an ice age......

I think we just wait it out another 10 years, and they will revise it down to 3 degrees, and will have to admit that the feedback functions this entire hysteria is based on are not coming to fruition.

Remember, you don't have to be an expert. Just pick a single easy metric, and follow it. Sea level rise is my gold standard.

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Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012



Maximo Roboto posted:

lmao @ the hn music thread

PaulHoule 1 day ago | prev | next []

I get the worst resistance when I say it but I think music died when autotune became ubiquitous. Curiously this happened at the same time that Napster hit so piracy got a lot of the blame.

Personally I think autotune sucks all the emotional connection out of music. It is one thing that Miku Hatsune sings like that, it's another thing that Miley Cyrus does. (Not to pick her out as a particularly great musician but she is a competent singer with a beautiful voice that stands on its own without processing.)

Autotune music just washes over people without having any effect.

When there is autotune music on at the gas station people can't tell you who the artists is sometimes they aren't even sure if it is rap or country music. Ask people on the street to actually name a Kanye West song and most of them struggle. I'm almost tempted to say that "Kanye West doesnt't exist or that he's just famous because his wife is famous."

kitten emergency
Jan 13, 2008

get meow this wack-ass crystal prison


Maximo Roboto posted:

PaulHoule 1 day ago | prev | next []

I get the worst resistance when I say it but I think music died when autotune became ubiquitous. Curiously this happened at the same time that Napster hit so piracy got a lot of the blame.

Personally I think autotune sucks all the emotional connection out of music. It is one thing that Miku Hatsune sings like that, it's another thing that Miley Cyrus does. (Not to pick her out as a particularly great musician but she is a competent singer with a beautiful voice that stands on its own without processing.)

Autotune music just washes over people without having any effect.

When there is autotune music on at the gas station people can't tell you who the artists is sometimes they aren't even sure if it is rap or country music. Ask people on the street to actually name a Kanye West song and most of them struggle. I'm almost tempted to say that "Kanye West doesnt't exist or that he's just famous because his wife is famous."

every paragraph better than the last

Truman Peyote
Oct 11, 2006






[extremely hackernews well actually voice] well i can think of the title of a kanye west song but apparently im not allowed to say it

fritz
Jul 26, 2003



im old and out of touch so the only kanye west thing i know for sure is he was right about george w bush

fritz
Jul 26, 2003



vmception 50 minutes ago | root | parent | next []

Art plagiarism has nothing to do with NFTs, in fact this whole article is about it.
The digital artist you are referring to is not using NFTs so they have no experience, it doesnt refute the point. The market is saying they should. They can ignore the market its a choice.
The plagiarism is done faster? Shrug

mystes
May 31, 2006



Not a specific post but this whole thread is just amazingly way worse than you would expect with a billion posters going "well actually" and people arguing that secondhand smoke isn't bad and poo poo like that:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30009529 No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

mystes
May 31, 2006



Documents show discrimination against Asian American students

xqcgrek2 1 day ago | prev | next [–]


When prized resources are made artificially scarce, it's no wonder factional struggles result over those resources. Markets and innovation are supposed to stop this, but K-12 education in the US is captured by the teacher's unions and other special interests. The productivity revolution w/technology has transform education in other countries, however:

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throwaway77384 1 day ago | next [–]


Please excuse my ignorance, but here goes:

Been a Go dev for almost 3 years now. I am basically making GBS threads myself over the prospect of all the Go code out there turning from something I understand, to something riddled with generics, of which I have no concept whatsoever. I've built some pretty complex stuff entirely without them and never felt there was anything missing, but maybe I just never knew what I was missing.

Now, I also don't know what a ring buffer is, so perhaps this is the perfect time for someone very generous to explain to me what a ring buffer is, why generics are what enabled this and how on earth it's multiple times faster than channels, which have been a first-class primitive in Go since the beginning (and should therefore have had the living daylights optimised out of them...)

Many thankings :)

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



"markets are supposed to prevent scarcity" sure is a take.

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015


Maximo Roboto posted:

PaulHoule 1 day ago | prev | next []

I get the worst resistance when I say it but I think music died when autotune became ubiquitous. Curiously this happened at the same time that Napster hit so piracy got a lot of the blame.

Personally I think autotune sucks all the emotional connection out of music. It is one thing that Miku Hatsune sings like that, it's another thing that Miley Cyrus does. (Not to pick her out as a particularly great musician but she is a competent singer with a beautiful voice that stands on its own without processing.)

Autotune music just washes over people without having any effect.

When there is autotune music on at the gas station people can't tell you who the artists is sometimes they aren't even sure if it is rap or country music. Ask people on the street to actually name a Kanye West song and most of them struggle. I'm almost tempted to say that "Kanye West doesnt't exist or that he's just famous because his wife is famous."

This is amazing.

mrmcd
Feb 22, 2003

Pictured: The only good cop (a fictional one).



mystes posted:

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throwaway77384 1 day ago | next [–]


Please excuse my ignorance, but here goes:

Been a Go dev for almost 3 years now. I am basically making GBS threads myself over the prospect of all the Go code out there turning from something I understand, to something riddled with generics, of which I have no concept whatsoever. I've built some pretty complex stuff entirely without them and never felt there was anything missing, but maybe I just never knew what I was missing.

Now, I also don't know what a ring buffer is, so perhaps this is the perfect time for someone very generous to explain to me what a ring buffer is, why generics are what enabled this and how on earth it's multiple times faster than channels, which have been a first-class primitive in Go since the beginning (and should therefore have had the living daylights optimised out of them...)

Many thankings :)

Hello, I am a software engineer, which everyone agrees are the world's smartest boys. I am incapable of learning new things or using Google please help. My family will be homeless without this 200k/yr paycheck.

NihilCredo
Jun 6, 2011

iram omni possibili modo preme:
plus una illa te diffamabit, quam multæ virtutes commendabunt




if you have not known what a ring buffer is, may I suspect you to be a developer who taught yourself?

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throwaway77384 2 days ago | root | parent | next [–]

I certainly am, yes. Spent about 12 years in the wrong career and then realised my love for programming (after a lifelong love of computers. Not sure how I missed that...)

I started with Python (and Kivy). Then went on to Go (which felt like a revelation over Python. For me, anyway). Along with that came JS, HTML, CSS and React.

Because of Go, I had become prejudiced against interpreted, dynamically typed languages. But over time I actually came to quite like JS. If wielded correctly, it can be very quick to get stuff working in JS and now I think either kinds of languages have their merits. Though, admittedly, React still eludes me. It feels incredibly confusing to me.

My next port of call will probably be something like Rust, but I have a product that takes up all of my time, so it's a bit tricky to find the time to catch up on my CS learning.

There is probably nothing that can replace a full-on university education in CS, but I'm not sure when or where I'd fit that into my life (I have a degree and thus know what it takes). I really hope to be able to do as much of that education on my own, however.

Any tips or hints welcome!



idk i don't really get mad at a gooper who knows he doesn't know poo poo, as opposed to all the one who think their ignorance is enlightened minimalism

tracecomplete
Feb 26, 2017



Go huffers have spent the last decade telling me I am a fool and a poltroon for wanting a baseline modern language because Rob Pike Said It Wasn't Important (he didn't really but Go huffers also can't read), this guy is fine.

Jose Valasquez
Apr 8, 2005

Bzzt Bzzt!

wtf is a ring buffer

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tracecomplete
Feb 26, 2017



well okay, have you ever played Sonic the Hedgehog

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