TENET;- Time Has Come And So Have I

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Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

wait a second. how did the silver car that reverse-Tenet was driving reverse time? doesn't that only happen normally when something goes through a turnstile, or is shot?

# ¿ May 15, 2021 08:41

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 14:34

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Right; that�s literally what happened in the plot. Yet they�re both acting as if only an hour has passed since she broke the fruit bowl, because that�s how the scene is contrived.

no they're both acting like that because both of them are trying to convince the other one that's the time they're from

I looked at other posts of yours ITT and they're really good though. I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed how wildly inconsistent the time stuff is

# ¿ May 16, 2021 04:26

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

why does Protagonist try to shoot himself lol

# ¿ May 16, 2021 05:33

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

gregday posted:

He�s trying to empty the clip so his past self won�t shoot him.

oh poo poo

# ¿ May 16, 2021 05:54

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

Sir Kodiak posted:

Yes, that works:

Note that this basically matches Protagonist's description:

Protagonist: "Dead drops. He buries his time capsule, transmits the location, and digs it up to collect the inverted materials they sent."

Neil: "Seemingly instantaneous. Where's he bury it?"

Protagonist: "Some place that won't be discovered for centuries."

He just leaves out an inversion step. So it's not even so much wrong as incomplete. Of course, this assumes he has a turnstile, which he wouldn't early on (presumably).

thank you. I had the same problem as SMG where I couldn't figure out how the gently caress sending gold back in time to spend would work but this makes perfect sense

# ¿ May 16, 2021 17:45

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

Zaphod42 posted:

Uh huh? SMG is the one who has been arguing there is no gold issue. Kodiak and I were the ones talking about that.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3903400&userid=118075#post514483677
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3903400&userid=118075#post514492613

# ¿ May 18, 2021 04:34

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Hence, they�re idiots.

that's something I've been thinking about, that the characters are all too stupid or too dutiful to cause time paradoxes, and that's the only thing that saves the spacetime continuum

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

The fun is that it's not just with the exposition.

Protag sees a silver car uncrashing and he's like "oh that is an inverted car". So he tosses the Cube through the window. What exactly is he thinking there? Does he see the silver car as proof that Tenet will 'win' the car chase and, so, he can consequently use it as a time-capsule to send the object to himself in the future? Or does he believe that contact with the inverted car will transfer invertedness to the cube and send it backwards in time, so that the inverted agent can run off into yesterday? We can't really know.

But we do know for sure that his plan involves bouncing the case off a backward-driving car's hood, as one does, and hoping Sator doesn't notice anything odd about that. Also, hoping that Sator (who Protag does not yet know is inverted) will release Kat without first checking the case.

This is the whole movie!

lol yes! also why does inverted Sator hand the case off? like it's cool when you realize he knows he doesn't need it so he can symmetrically do that, but why bother?

edit: oh your next post was about exactly this

# ¿ May 18, 2021 04:46

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

if anyone sees us do this... it was all for nothing. *ignores a truck chasing them and honking repeatedly*

# ¿ May 18, 2021 05:00

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

gregday posted:

Does Sator throw the case back or does it get sucked out of his hands?

he appears to throw it from inverted Protag's POV

# ¿ May 18, 2021 05:11

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

hahyaha

# ¿ May 18, 2021 05:42

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

does it ever specify how Sator gets the artifact after he inverts through the car chase? does he just know it's going to be in the silver car so he goes forward to grab it after inverted protagonist gets in (out, from forward-Sator's perspective)

# ¿ May 19, 2021 00:41

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

The algorithm being in the car is one of the few things that actually almost makes sense, because it�s accidental. Protag believes that he�s passed the Cube to his future self, who will then climb out of the car wreck and run off with his new toy. He consequently fails to actually search the car before getting in, missing that the Cube is there, and nobody corrects him because Pirya�s goal was to lose the Cube.

However!

Because the Cube was inside the silver car all along, this means it would have been inverted along with the car. Doing so would send the Cube backwards in time to whoever put the tarp on the car, or who drove the car to the Freeport, etc.

As with the gold, this makes it extremely difficult or logistically impossible for Sator to actually retrieve the Cube - because he and his henchmen should have always had it long ago. The fact that they evidently didn�t already have the Cube indicates that Protag was actually successful at hiding the Cube, which generates a TIME PARADOX.

that depends on when the silver car became inverted. a theory I'm developing is that objects invert spontaneously when coming into violent contact with another inverted object. if that's true, then the silver car would have become inverted when it crashed into Sator's SUV. before that (or after from a normal POV) the car was normal, which was why Protag had trouble with the handling. ... unless that weird shot where the car stops and it shows the wheel spinning was meant to indicate the car was becoming inverted at that point

# ¿ May 19, 2021 06:06

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

It�s in the turnstile room

https://i.stack.imgur.com/TbBp0.png

# ¿ May 19, 2021 20:33

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 14:34

Its Chocolate: Dec 21, 2019

seriously if that's the silver car in the turnstile room how would Sator have gotten access to it to steal the artifact when he went forward again? wasn't that facility controlled by TENET by the time inverted Protag got in the car?

# ¿ May 28, 2021 06:06

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