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I am humble lurker and would very much like to experience BiJ.
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esperterra posted:ATTN STAR TRACK GOONS Glory to tiny Pixel Bernie Sanders! (Apologies for the gangtag spam)
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Nearly half of Disco being empty reminds me of the conceit of Voyager being half starfleet half maquis. If I had any faith in the writers, I’d be looking forward to some interesting tensions between OG Disco crew and 32nd century starfleet LARPers who idealistically signed up to help. Fake edit: oh god this is some sort of monkey paw curling wishful thinking that means we’ll get Cannibal Hitler Georgiou rehashing the Seska role doesn’t it?
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Oct 25, 2020 22:03
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Page 359 of the thread came and went with nary a comment. smdh
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Haven't seen it mentioned yet but in Georgiou's flashbacks, I think the closed captioning said she was saying "San," not "Son."
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I think either Culber should be XO, or Admiral Vance should tell Saru "yeah so I'm giving you this list of my people you can pick from: you yourself have very little experience in command of this ship, you picked an ensign with zero experience, and you also need someone from this century who can give you some on the fly feedback." Culber would make more practical sense between those two situations, since he's a pre-existing character, he's got boatloads of experience, he has now shown competency in understanding the strengths, weaknesses and general intricacies of the crew needed in order to manage them. There would be minimal friction between him and Saru, it would finally be an answer to the TNG trope of "what even does a counselor do on this ship," and there'd be fodder for some light comic relief of Stamets grating at Hugh telling him how to do his job. Buuuuuut we're dealing with the Disco writers so I'm not holding out hope.
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Nov 28, 2020 06:55
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Spanish Matlock posted:I enjoyed that the villain was more or less absolutely correct and offered a much more sensible way forward than whatever else happened. regarding the hypercapitalist slaver cartel Emerald Chain. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"
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xerxus posted:https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1370434676272345092?s=20 I'm vaguely familiar with Babs Olusanmokun, as he gave one of the more intriguing performances in Nicholas Winding Refn's beautifully shot, but inscrutably dull Too Old To Die Young series (which I bounced off of after one episode). Dude's got a chilling deadpan stare. I'm interested to see more of him, and happy it'll be in the Trek universe.
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Mar 13, 2021 01:57
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Remember when multiple characters were like "The Federation aren't as good as you think they are" and nothing at all came of it? That and the throwaway reference to the Short Trek where it's implied that the Feds wound up in a large scale conflict at some point around season 3's timeline, and weren't necessarily unambiguously The Good Guys. Yeah, I'm in favor of the "Pretty Good for poo poo" thread title change.
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Mar 15, 2021 06:34
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FlamingLiberal posted:That just reminded me that they put the dog on the posters and I think it's only in the first episode? One of the teaser trailers prominently featured Number One as well. iirc sadly the dog actor did not do well on the set and they ended up scrapping planned scenes as they could not film them.
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Mar 16, 2021 03:15
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Tiggum posted:Because it was impossible to find a similar-looking dog? I'd imagine there is some calculus involved between "we find and cast a similar-looking dog that we can film with in a timely fashion" and "we are already behind schedule in filming, just cut the scenes." I'd guess that finding and casting animals is much easier in pre-production than in the midst of churning out episodes.
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Mar 16, 2021 16:46
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E: nm my awful app glitched.
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The_Doctor posted:Oh yeah, that definitely feels like it might be the case. Both Craft and Book are cut from very similar cloth. The short slightly weird name thing resonates. Also doesn't Calypso have some bit at the end about Craft's "real" name, which I feel like they used with Book at the end of Season 3?
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Mar 16, 2021 20:20
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They use the Nexus to get Prime Georgieu back for one more mission, but they accidentally bring back Mirror Georgieu instead. 
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May 10, 2021 15:26
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Pastamania posted:Lower Decks has absolutely no redeeming features of it's own apart from incoherently namedropping things from other, better shows. Actually, that's not true. Tendi's freaky dog was a fun concept. That's it.  "So I will learn to live with Nu Trek…Because I can live with Nu Trek…I can live with Nu Trek. Computer – erase that entire post."
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Sep 5, 2021 19:37
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disco e2: drat, what a boring, sad confirmation that this show continues to suck poo poo and the writers and producers are lazy hacks
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Nov 26, 2021 07:16
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The Chairman posted:I thought episode 2 was okay, the "5 light years wide" and the crew reaction shots at a bunch of dots on a screen thing was silly but overall I thought this was the kind of lower-key plot the show needs once in a while, even if it gets a little mawkish See, my general complaint with Disco is that I want lower key plot episodes; I found this episode particularly execrable because it was pedal to the metal on This Season's Big Huge Galaxy Threatening McGuffin, with some typical "stop and have an emotional moment during something time sensitive" asides along the way. I would enjoy the show so much more if the writers/producers/executives let them have fun, low stakes adventures with marginally slower pacing, and stop asking "Where's Michael" anytime Michael is not on-screen. But no, they want this to be the flagship show of their streaming platform, and they want it to force it to be Prestige Television while simultaneously feeling like Star Trek, causing it to fail at both.
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Nov 26, 2021 19:23
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It's pretty disingenuous to defend Disco's lazy loving writing by citing TNG or TOS to argue that it's reasonable and good storytelling to have a bunch of characters we know next to nothing about 3 seasons into the show, and not mention like any of the other franchises that came afterwards and did so just fine, or, given Discovery's apparent goal, the litany of non-Trek critically acclaimed TV shows over the past twenty years with Discovery-length seasons that received accolades for emotional storytelling with ensemble casts.
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Nov 28, 2021 08:26
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Pastamania posted:.....if they can put holographic characters on Books ship, why was Book on Books ship? They also went out of their way to show that Grudge was still on board Book's ship before going on the suicide mission, didn't they? Which I thought was an odd decision to say the least.
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Nov 29, 2021 03:31
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TulliusCicero posted:It's amazing to me the level of forgot in Picard: This is broadly covered by "how physics work" but we can update to include "how time of day works on a planet" with that throwaway "it's afternoon in the Sol system" line last week. Really a minor line that shouldn't bother me, but one that shows just how little effort goes into this.
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Feb 28, 2023 22:57
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Note: The Jurati Collective died on the way back to their home planet.
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Feb 28, 2023 23:42
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Blinkz posted:I agree with some of the other posts here. 10 episode seasons are too short for any real character development. I think having these shows serialized also hurts this character development because the passage of time is hours or days unlike previous star trek series where each episode could be months apart where character interactions and development seem more natural and interesting. It's the dogshit tier writing that's the issue, not the season length. There are plenty of serialized shows with a similar number of episodes per season that do a perfectly fine job of this.
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Mar 3, 2023 06:06
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bltzn posted:Is it just me or does jack crusher have the most punchable face? it is just you.
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Facebook Aunt posted:She did have an offhand comment 
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Apr 4, 2023 03:38
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"Matalas, his hands touching grass." - Tamarian idiom for something impossible
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Apr 5, 2023 16:36
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Yes, the clip specifically being discussed in this thread uses a clip from BoBW directly saying that Picard's DNA has partially been rewritten (whatever the gently caress that actually means) to support its claim that the Borg are the big bad of the season.
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Apr 11, 2023 14:59
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SourKraut posted:Wouldn't it have gotten the tampered code? Picard was using its transporters for 3-4 more years after he was assimilated. Very little of this show makes any sense, but I was assuming that the purpose of the Changeling infiltration of Starfleet was coordinated in order to get the "Borg receiver DNA" SQL injection up and running on the transporters in each ship, but honestly who knows.
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Apr 14, 2023 19:24
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Nonsensical overarching plot and nostalgia aside, my ultimate issue with Picard S3 is the underlying right wing reactionary one-two punch of "our heroes are rugged individualists who have the prerogative to defy their government because it's inept, compromised and/or also did a genocide/unethical experimentation" and "the youth have had their brains infected and taken over by a cyber communist mind virus" that underlies the season. It doesn't align with what I look for, in terms of message, in a Star Trek show. Some of the memberberries in this season have been fun though, and the VFX and sets have mostly been a step up from season 2. That's my faint praise for the season and I can kind of understand the viewers who are really into the nostalgia and who don't care/notice the conservative shitheel ideology undergirding the whole thing. edit: oh and the mystery box writing, that can gently caress off too.
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The Daystrom Station thing is so insanely convoluted, if you roll it back to the start of the season: - Vadic and other Changelings are held there during the Dominion War and experimented on by S31, Vadic kills her torturer and escapes with her goo homies. This effectively has zero bearing on anything else in the show; the fact that it happens on the Daystrom Station seems incidental. - At some point shortly after transferring Picard's consciousness into the golem, Alton Soong realizes that the thing in Picard's brain wasn't Irumodic Syndrome, and so he decides to send Picard's body there because of reasons. - Vadic and her goo homies (now permanently dressed up as bird people) break into Daystrom Station to steal a bunch of poo poo, including the portal gun, but secretly are really going after Picard's body, at the direction of her Hand-ler (who is presumably the Borg Queen). - Starfleet Intelligence hires(?) Worf to investigate, assigning Raffi as an undercover operative to try to figure out what was really stolen from the Daystrom Station - why they cannot do an inventory of what is missing is never established. - Vadic and co use the portal weapon to do a terrorism on M'talas Prime (a crime world where Starfleet is recruiting people, where Raffi's ex and child also live for some reason), as a distraction (not really sure who they are distracting with this, if Starfleet is already compromised by Changelings) - At some point, Starfleet, now definitely compromised by Changelings, refuses Worf & Raffi's requests to gain access to the Daystrom Station to find out what was really stolen. - Picard and co break into Daystrom, encounter the security AI, find the Data/Lore golem, which informs them that the Changelings stole Picard's body, and also brings up the whole "the Irumodic Syndrome diagnosis has been called into question." Following the bizarre plot logic of the rest of the season, are the writers trying to convey that the Changelings needed Picard's body (or the section of parietal lobe with Borg genetics) in order to do the SQL Injection into the transporters on the ships??? I still don't really understand why the Borg couldn't supply whatever section of DNA they wanted grafted into everyone who uses Starfleet transporters, since, ya know, they created the technology in the first place when they made Locutus.
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Terry M'Talas Prime tweeted that they're indisposed studying the rift thingy from S2, which is kinda disappointing. I wouldn't mind seeing Borg v Borg face off.
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Alchenar posted:Okay this bit is stupid but is actually internally consistent with the plot: Starfleet intelligence doesn't investigate the terrorist attack, remember there's a patsy cover story that is officially accepted. This is because Starfleet has already been infiltrated and is under the control of the changelings. It's Ro Lauren who commissions Worf and Raffi as an off-the-books operation she's kept secret in order to investigate. Oh that's right, the official investigation closed with the fall guy who Sneed killed. I somehow forgot about that!
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Yeah, setting aside my own opinions of Discovery, and her character arc, she definitely seemed to enjoy the role. Seems like a fairly solid endorsement of ... something over at Paramount on her part. She certainly did not have the same experience that Tom Hardy did with the franchise.
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quote:When that day comes, will we find out more of the secrets of the M'Talas system?  Anyway, yeah, finale was pretty much as expected. Batshit stupid, rehashing literal Star Wars elements, everything very tidily being fixed or swept under the rug (I feel like this is just the writer's room not really having a sense of scale/scope, which has been a problem throughout the season - eg the entire fleet is orbiting Earth for Frontier Day, the Borg have all but disappeared except for this one cube/malformed 3D printed Queen, a ton of Starfleet's top brass get murked by woke mind virus youths). Then a completely unearned self-congratulatory victory lap for 30 minutes. Matalas comments on "Member Berry daggers" coming out for them, and I wouldn't really say that's a fair characterization of many criticisms. I think the 'Member Berries/nostalgia were probably the highlight of the season. A lot of the nostalgia stuff could have been implemented a helluva lot better, but for the most part they were fine and reasonable to occur in the Very Special 30 Year Reunion Season of TNG. All of this "ohhh Legacy is greenlit" doesn't seem like anything more than clickbait speculation. Obviously Matalas and a few others would want to do more from everything I've read, and sure they put in hooks in the finale and throughout the series, but that's just TV in 2023.
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Out of curiosity I checked in at r/startrek's Finale discussion thread and the top "Controversial" comment is basically a cliff notes laundry list of every issue that has been brought up in this thread. Wonder if it'll get deleted.
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I've tried to not level criticisms of "well, I would have done it this way" tier, but I think the finale would have really been improved by a moment of "the cavalry showing up" in the form of a similarly sized fleet of Klingon, Vulcan, Ferengi and Cardassian vessels to help run interference along with the Titan, along with one or two throwaway moments of "hey, we've had our issues in the past, but we'll help you humans out." Hell, throw in a few Dominion and Romulan ships as well to really hammer in the point of solidarity against an existential threat in spite of differences and/or civilization-wide destruction events. This entire season really felt bereft of a sense that there were any civilizations aside from Starfleet/the Federation.
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Apr 21, 2023 08:42
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"I'm Noel Shaw, Liam's transporter clone." Then Black Mountain OG Shaw and have an episode where their grudge comes to a head while the Titanprise-G is visiting some sort of desert planet with a species that's having a contentious brother against brother conflict over the few habitable zones. Anyway here's Wonderwall.
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Apr 21, 2023 16:56
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Riker does the "Stardate: One, I guess" voiceover in the finale, how can you forget that gem of "uhhhh get Frakes in a studio so we can spell out exactly what shook out"
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Timby, I'm curious; do you know if there was ever any consideration to depict any other civilization (say, the Klingons or the Vulcans) doing anything in this season, and it got axed for budgetary reasons, or were the writers just so green that to do so would require a lot more involvement from other people (be that extensive re-writes from Matalas or Kurtzman or whatever)? I just keep coming back to the fact that no one except for Starfleet, a crime planet, the Borg and some changelings exist for some reason.
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Timby posted:James Duff pushed hard against the Romulans being depicted as a fallen empire in season 1. This season, one writer argued for the Klingons being present at Frontier Day, but got shouted down, because Matalas was gung-ho on "Borg eat the Federation fleet." That's hilarious, wow. I could only imagine how much more believable and interesting that finale would have been to have seen a bunch of Klingon ships running interference against the micro machines borgified fleet, diving in and out of cloak, etc. But alas, Matalas, I guess.
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A generous reading on Jack's behavior would be that the writers intended for there to be some nascent/prodromal Borg behavior compelling him to go to the Queen despite his better judgment, but a show that went out of its way for an entire season to repeatedly state what's going on and why doesn't deserve that generosity.
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