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Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

niethan posted:

Fight scenes in TV are always bad

https://youtu.be/fno5aFcJQF0

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Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Discovery's fight scenes are bad but at least they're not MCU bad

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

As a consequence of your repeated insubordination, the latest example of which led to a political crisis, you have been rewarded with a new job that lets you focus on your stupid side project full time.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

The Musk shoutout in season one is what made me realize the intellectual level this show's producers and higher-ups were operating at, and after adjusting my expectations accordingly it's been an enjoyable series with some great cast members.

Getting rid of Michael permanently would resolve most of the issues, and that's no fault of the actor.

Lorca was the best captain and the show did him dirty at the end.

Cingulate posted:

If you phrase it like that, it actually reads ... plausible? Like I’m sure I’ve heard that story before. Say bush IIs second term.

That is the nature of power, Michael is a member of the elite class, and while the lines are never clearly drawn on screen class absolutely still exists.

Q on DS9 pretending not to recognize O'Brien and dismissing him as one of the little people was the single most honest moment in Star Trek.

Wheeee fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Nov 20, 2020

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Wasn't that an ad-libbed line by Jason Isaacs because he was hoping to score a free car?

If so then lol he owns even more

Discovery really is a very stupid show though, which doesn't mean it's not fun

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

She was good and fun and displayed an actual personality in the first episode of season three while on drugs; while she may not have the chops or presence for a leading role the actor is not the reason Michael is a lovely drag on the show.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

would you rather be number two?

Star Trek has never really been about technology or science, the trappings of scifi are there to create an escapist sense of adventure and abstract social issues of the present day or anticipated near future into a digestible format.

Some of you should check out Liu Cixin if you haven't previously.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Arrinien posted:

I always thought number one was Picard's thing and everyone else would say first officer.

Picard made it a thing

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Even broaching the topic raises the question of why isn't anyone else doing it, and there's no good answer to that question. It's a topic I think the show is well served by avoiding.

On the other hand, that even the background officers in Starfleet are apparently all polymath geniuses suggests that perhaps Federation humans aren't quite as all natural baseline as they like to think.

Wheeee fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Nov 21, 2020

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Maybe Starfleet operates on an informal behind the scenes tier list.

Like, all those random science and medical ships that keep getting blown up or eaten by anomalies while out doing the menial labor of maintaining the empire are crewed by the mediocre B-tier cadets, while the elite A-tier cadets get stationed on the elite warships on their missions of 'exploration'.

Verviticus posted:


they're literally talking about not having enough time to charge the crystal. JUST JUMP TWO DAYS AWAY BEFORE STARTING THIS argh

have you seen Expanse? You might appreciate it

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

For the majority of humanity's existence we would spend a few hours a day finding or processing food or materials then spend the rest of our time hanging out, playing, and loving.

While it's true that humans do need to feel useful and have some degree of responsibility and work in their lives, we absolutely do not need structured work environments or eight hours a day of labor.

Perhaps a few times a week you do a stint helping out at one of the little communal cafes in the area or doing some light gardening in the public green spaces just to get that need to do something out of your system before heading back to your holodeck and shooting up space heroin while floating on a warm tropical sea surrounded by beautiful people

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Spanish Matlock posted:

"Oh god I can feel his emotions... touching me... in places."


Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Not that the writing on this show is at all competent, but acting positions are often used as a means of basically giving someone with potential an opportunity to learn the role from first-hand experience, demonstrate the necessary competence, and learn if it's actually a good fit for them.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Astroman posted:

I present to you, unredacted, Harlan Ellison's forward to the Pinnacle Doctor Who episode novelizations in the late 70s/early 80s:

That guy fuckin sucks but also kind of owns

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Nobody cares about formal english dude it’s the 21st century, language has evolved past that poo poo

and it’s gonna be security chief neelix

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

They'll show up again in the finale looking like Worf and all 'yea we don't talk about it'

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

data, with a pixar mom body

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

burnham is a bigger drag on the series than neelix was and saru should have punched her in the loving throat for that poo poo

discovery will never be anything but stale dogshit destined to be as forgotten as enterprise if the showrunners don't unfuck themselves and correct the show's focus in future seasons

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

i think a lot of fans in their middle age are struggling with the realization that star trek has never been particularly good or smart, poo poo's always been a silly campy show with periodic high points

discovery's crime isn't being heinously stupid, though it is, it's that it's also generally not much fun while being dumb as poo poo

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

tarlibone posted:

Episode was OK. Tilly was an objectively bad choice for taking the conn. If you want to throw The Little Ensign That Could a mission so she can get good at asserting herself, then you put her in charge of getting a metric ton of hot meatball subs to planet Kessel in a few parsecs as possible so they don't get cold. You find someone else for something like this.

oh, who?

These Tilly takes are the dumbest things in the thread and are simply nerds telling on themselves.

Remember when Saru specifically told her that he was selecting her as a temporary acting first officer until he filled the position permanently? This thread sure doesn't, even if it's in the fuckin Previously On section at the start of the episode. Remember how Tilly was already accepted into the command training track based on her aptitude, or the fact that she's had more mission and combat experience than almost any real living military officer?

People who have displayed aptitude and ambition get placed in higher acting positions in magement as a means of both testing and developing them all the time in large hierarchical organizations, nothing about Saru's decision was actually wrong; yes Starfleet should have forced some 31st century crew onboard, but that wasn't happening because it's a show about the Discovery crew.

And nobody has pointed out an actual mistake she made, aside from expectedly not having watched hundreds of episodes of Star Trek previously like the audience.

It's weird and gross how in a thread about a show with so many real flaws people fixate on one of the few good things Discovery has actually done because they're dumb as hell and juat don't like the character, which is demonstrating career growth and that not every character just weirdly sits in their predetermined rank niche forever unchanged.

If you don't like Tilly that's cool just say so, whining about the acting gig is only telling on yourself for being an inexperienced idiot.

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

lol at the idiots trying to project tactical realism onto star trek like that's a thing that should be expected or that matters

the only character whose presence in the chair would have changed the outcome is burnham, because she's the series' Mary Sue and can't lose in any meaningful way. a person being hesitant during an encounter of that sort which occurred the first time they ever sat in the chair is not a condemnation of them or their potential, nor is it validation of the absurd screeching that's been going on the entire time she's been blatantly shown to be doing a decent job helping Saru and having the respect of the crew serving under her

yes putting her in that position was stupid in the context of future starfleet not forcing any current-timeline staff onboard, but it's a very stupid show that makes no real sense outside of the character drama anyway

like i'm sorry but for all the complaints people raise in this thread about this very stupid show, these Tilly complaints read like they're coming from people who have absolutely no idea how poo poo actually works in the real world and are projecting assumptions they're making from television

people you don't like get groomed for and given opportunities to work in leadership positions that they've historically displayed the aptitude and attitude for, dwi

Wheeee fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Dec 27, 2020

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

welp we've arrived at the life form that's been trucking along for 125 years, and there's a bunch of crazy lethal radiation surrounding them that hosed up our ship and broke the hell out of our shields; if we send people in they'll be dead after four hours, but we can probably get our poo poo fixed in three so whatever it's fine no need to wait a few hours preparing to do things right

like

this show does not care and outside of a few moments with Lorca to demonstrate how different he was has never cared about realistic thinking in the face of tactical or technical problems

people are spending pages arguing myopically over irrelevent minutiae in one scene while ignoring the chain of more broadly relevant decisions that led up to it, because you all ain't grasped that discovery is a character drama series that doesn't give no fucks what you think about tactical realism

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

that's because it's also not generally a good character drama, mostly due to the stupendous original decision to make discovery the michael burnham power hour

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

gimme Quark in 4K HDR

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Martytoof posted:

Just watched a great Q episode of TNG so I’m kind of contemplative and trying to figure out who would be a good casting fit for a Disco or Picard Q. Or whatever new series we get.

ted danson obvs

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

discovery jumps to a spacetime anomaly in the delta quadrant and their new crew member falls out: neelix, complete with HD rat tail

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Martytoof posted:

And who could forget dear rat boy

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

time for a star trek series written by Greg Egan

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

President Peanut Hamper

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Facebook Aunt posted:

(I think this has been a thing at times in human history?)

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

when the actor's face is going to be completely covered anyway they don't have to cast the most attractively young looking people

weirdly enough most of the best actors on star trek tend to be covered in prosthetics

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

lol

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

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season 4 is going to be the worst one yet

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

How's this show doing in broader ratings? It's bad and dumb and burnham drags the entire thing down, but big bang theory ran like twenty years and won a bunch of emmy's so it's not like quality matters with regard to popularity

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

season four opens with the introduction of a new villain, negan with a bumpy forehead, and he kills burnham and also good universe lorca comes out of nowhere and becomes captain and the show is saved

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

"I see someone that other people don't" doesn't necessarily have to be a direct analogue for mental illness.

yea it can also be drugs

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

As bad as this show is in general the VFX are among the best in television, much like its characters Discovery is vapid but extremely pretty

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Greedo was a sicario working for a crime lord and had Solo held at gunpoint, calling what Solo did murder is phenomenally stupid and betrays a childlishly simple ideology

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la7uuFsCIrg

you have loving brainworms if you think Solo did anything but the morally and tactically correct thing in this situation

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Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

they have programmable matter, just press some buttons and beep boop ship made some new guns

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