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Guy A. Person posted:“Han Solo? The terrorist war criminal?” *Chewie shrugs apolitically*
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Lucas wanted people watching the movie to have the same feeling he did when he first saw Kurosawa films, where he was totally in the dark about the culture and customs but could still follow the human story. The other movies can never have that feeling because they necessarily have to explain a world purposefully designed to be alien.
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Jun 17, 2020 19:48
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Taintrunner posted:So the Galactic Empire is broke and their major leaders are mostly dead. It shatters. You now have something closer to the Syrian Civil War than anything else. The Imperial Remnant, the Hutt Cartel, the New Republic that the Rebels seek to establish, etc. Something like this was apparently on the table at one point - Rather than the First Order, early storyboards include an opening crawl that mentions a "Coalition of Star Systems" in the Outer Rim that's challenging the Republic's right to rule the galaxy.
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Jun 25, 2020 18:36
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GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:I'm saying it's revealed palpatine and his branch of sith were the cosplayers. Like his master or someone before them stumbled onto some sith knowledge and started calling themselves that, all the while the real sith were hiding way off in space somewhere. This is essentially true. Palpatine's group is the result of a bunch of different people finding Sith artifacts from the previous Star Wars and and forming different Sith factions that went to war with each other. Darth Bane, the last Sith left standing, created the Rule of Two, which lasted for 1000 years until we get to Palpatine. Rise of Skywalker actually introduced an interesting implication, that the being known as Palpatine is actually still Darth Bane, and has been jumping bodies for the past millennium every time an apprentice gets strong enough to kill their master. GokuGoesSSJ3 posted:I think this is basically kotor 3 but I haven't played that. It also happens a few other times way back in the eu history I think. Yeah, it's happened a few times. Revan and Malak, the Sith Lords from the first KOTOR, supposedly discovered the "true" Sith hiding somewhere, and then started their conquest of the galaxy in order to fortify the Republic against them. The Old Republic, which you mentioned, is about those Sith finally returning attack the Republic 300 years later. In one of the expansions, they even introduced a second secret Sith society that forced the regular hidden Sith to team up with the Republic. There was also the Lost Tribe of the Sith, who reappeared 40 years after the movies after building a society on a planet they crashed on 5000 years earlier. They also did the "team up with the Jedi to fight a bigger enemy" thing when they had to fight an entity called Ableoth, who was the mother of the family introduced in the Mortis arc of Clone Wars. The Yuuzhan Vong were also supposedly pitched as exiled Sith returning to the galaxy to conquer it, but the idea was nixed. There's probably more, and there are a bunch of smaller Dark Side cults that are the result of some ancient Sith Lord branching off and doing their own thing under the radar until they become a big enough problem for the Jedi to deal with.
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Jun 26, 2020 00:18
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It looks like one of the TOR tie-in novels retconned some of it, so there's two separate reasons: The one presented in the first two KOTOR games is that after Revan won a galaxy-wide war against the Mandalorians, he found some old Sith lore that was on the edge of the still-active Sith Empire, and realized that the Republic wasn't ready to fight them(they'd just barely won a war against the Mandalorians, which themselves are implied to have been set-up by the True Sith), so he sacrificed himself to the Dark Side in order to get enough power to fight them, and began his conquest of the galaxy using tech leftover from an ancient precursor race. The TOR retcon is that Revan and Malak went into the Sith Empire after winning the Mandalorian war, and then got brainwashed by the big bad of the MMO into being an evil guy.
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Jun 26, 2020 21:31
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While a lot of the Episode IX designs are pretty creatively bankrupt, it's more likely that JJ just re-used a design that didn't make it into Episode 7, like he did with the submerged Death Star ruins and Star Destroyers with Death Star guns: 
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Aug 31, 2020 04:50
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They've got them here and there. In the OT, it's really only the one in Vader's room and the one in the Endor bunker when Han's disguised as the AT-ST driver. They're slightly more common in the prequels - both the Republic and Trade Federation ships have them at the start of Episode I, and there's several in the Sports Bar in Episode II.
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Sep 8, 2020 02:18
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Angry Salami posted:I kind of feel Rose only existed because of the decision to split Finn and Poe up - and that may well have come about due to studio pressure. According to Johnson, Rose was created after he found that the Finn/Poe adventure he originally conceived wouldn't have any tension between the two, and he needed a better foil for Finn. How he managed to put the poster boy Resistance hero together with the indoctrinated Stormtrooper deserter and not find a way for them to conflict with each other is beyond me, though.
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Sep 14, 2020 07:45
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Bogus Adventure posted:Maybe we'll also get Baby Boba Fett! They've had the merch assembly line running for years 
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Sep 15, 2020 22:06
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Bogus Adventure posted:the movie side-stepping why they had dug up Anakin's lightsaber pissed me off because it made it feel like they just wanted to return an iconic prop, and Han jumping to hyperspace to skip through a shield on the fly showed they gave zero fucks about the rules of the world. The lightsaber being unexplained is a result of changes in editing, but the explanation is even stupider. The original opening of the film had Luke's hand, still clutching the lightsaber, floating through space and entering a planet's atmosphere (how it got into space is never explained). The hand burned up on entry and some alien found the lightsaber after it landed, nearly burning down a large field when he turned it on. I think there would also have been a montage showing the saber being sold to a junk trader who then had it taken from him by Kylo and the Knights, who then had it stolen from them by Maz. The hyperspace jump is actually stolen from Lucas' rough draft of Return of the Jedi, where it was originally the way Han got the crew to Endor without the Empire noticing. So it's not Abrams and Kasdan having a dumb idea and putting it in the movie, but just another example of them just taking all the pig lips and assholes that weren't fit to include in the OT, and putting them in their hot dog of a movie.
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Sep 26, 2020 20:28
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He directed it, but didn't write it. Though the guys that did have a decent resume, so there's probably only so much you can get done with a 3-episode television arc smushed together into a movie about trying to save Baby Jabba.
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Oct 29, 2020 18:57
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Pretty much. Apparently it started out as the movie Josh Trank was fired from before becoming a James Mangold project for a little while, and finally ended up with Jon Favreau along with scraps from the cancelled 1313 game.
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Oct 30, 2020 09:13
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indigi posted:actually it was revealed in one of the comics that Kylo Ren didn’t actually kill any of the other students! I think it was Snoke or the Knights of Ren or something It was a random bolt of lightning. Might've been Yoda. 
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Jan 12, 2021 20:59
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Karloff posted:They complained about how Fin didn't have a character arc in TLJ and posited their own replacement. What they suggested went a little bit like this: "Fin should fight Phasma and lose because his power level is lower, then he should learn some new skills and powers and fight her again and draw, then he should learns some new power and fight her for a final time and win and complete his heroes journey" Even in Episode 9, a version of Phasma who knows that the First Order will turn on her the moment she's no longer useful would have made a lot more sense as a spy than Hux. Finn being in contact with her throughout the movie would also have been a better secret for Finn to keep rather than just being Force sensitive or in love with Rey or whatever.
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Jan 13, 2021 08:27
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Cease to Hope posted:It also helps fill in what the gently caress the Final Order is or why Palpatine comes back, and what Snoke wants. Snoke builds the First Order to track down the TFA2 Box because it can be used to revive Palpatine (or is Palpatine, why not). And it's not like Luke dealing with Sith spirits while in isolation is a concept that wasn't explored during the trilogy's development: 
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Jan 15, 2021 01:14
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Starkiller Base is the setup part of a joke that had the punchline cut from the movie. While the Empire was building ever more ridiculous Death Stars, the Republic was devising ever more ridiculous ways for X-wings to blow them up, culminating in a ludicrously enormous ship designed to break through a planetary shield and spit a couple of protagonists into the battle to blow the whole thing up in one shot: 
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Jan 15, 2021 23:22
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nine-gear crow posted:You will love our horrifying uncanny valley plastic CGI action figure recreations of the Original Trilogy cast and that's final. In this case, they're not CG in the same way that the Rogue One ghouls were. They just copy/pasted the characters' faces in from similarly-angled shots in the OT, the same way they did with Leia in the rest of the movie.
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Jan 18, 2021 06:58
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Which would mean Rian Johnson doesn't see droids as people. One of the remaining rebels is just offscreen on the left, and one is obscured behind the group on the right, but it looks like there's definitely supposed to be 13 living people aboard the Falcon here (12 rebels plus Rey, their savior).
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Jan 18, 2021 18:49
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muscles like this! posted:As dumb as the scene in Solo where the guy gives Han a last name at least it was a situation where it was natural that they were talking about names. Not just some random lady wandering by who for some reason requires a full name. There's also a puppet that quizzes Rey on her full legal identity.
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Jan 19, 2021 17:04
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Mooey Cow posted:I heard the reason Sheev has 1000 Star Destroyers with dicks is because the film was so rushed they didn't have time to make something new and just took whatever 3D models they had on hand and they happened to have a detalied ISD from Rogue 1. The movie was rushed, but not "we didn't have time to build a new model for the main bad guy ship" rushed.  It's still stupid though - the First Order used exactly the same logic in TFA and still managed to have new ships, plus all of Sheev's troops use pretty much the same Stormtrooper design as the regular First Order guys, so the Time Capsule explanation is apparently only for the Star Destroyers.
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Mar 24, 2021 19:55
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Yeah, according to placemat lore they're Xyston class Star Destroyers that are 1.5x the size of Imperial Star Destroyers. They're clearly supposed to be Imperial class with superlasers, but since Rise of Skywalker actually has people running round on them and generally getting much closer, the ships probably didn't read as big as they wanted them to, so they just scaled the models up to be more imposing, and to allow the fleet to cover a larger area without actually rendering more ships.
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Mar 24, 2021 22:54
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I think something like that was actually in the cards at some point. Originally, Palpatine was resurrected beneath the Jedi temple on Coruscant, which had been abandoned. At some point, they just moved his whole setup to Exegol instead, so I think that the original explanation for where he got all those cultists to hang out at his stadium and run his star destroyers was that they were the people of Coruscant who'd slowly become corrupted by his presence over time.
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Mar 25, 2021 02:36
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banned from Starbucks posted:What even happens to the FO fleet i cant remember. Theyre not even at Exegol are they? The hastily assembled (as in, they had one day to do the concept art) montage at the end implies that while there was a big civilian fleet at Exegol, other people were suicide bombing the actual First Order military into submission elsewhere across the galaxy.
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Mar 26, 2021 01:10
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They kind of had a plan - a bunch of executives from Lucasfilm got together in 2014 to hash out their loose ideas for where things would go after 7, but the only things they ever released from that meeting were:
Other than maybe what the deal with Snoke is, or where they want Finn & Poe to end up by the end, there's not really much that you'd want a bunch of non-writers & Dave Filoni to come up with anyway. The idea of the Sequels having each movie outlined from the start requires the outlines to be made by corporate executives, since they're the only ones that would be consistent within the company across all three movies. The Prequels had an outline in the sense that they had a specific endpoint to reach with all the characters, but it's not like Lucas was thinking about how the Clone War would start when he was doing Episode I, or even how it would end when he was doing II. Return of the Jedi suffered from Lucas actually thinking ahead, since he got sick of doing Star Wars movies and had to cram all the sequel bait from Empire into the last movie, resulting in Incest Luke.
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Mar 26, 2021 06:53
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Cease to Hope posted:It was Colin Treverrow that backed out in 2017, and that was probably more because his movie Book of Henry was a massive bomb than because of the TLJ backlash. Bringing on JJ Abrams because of the backlash makes sense, Abrams replaced Trevorrow 3 months before TLJ came out - would there have even been any backlash at that point?
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Mar 26, 2021 16:24
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Still, Abrams had to pitch the movie to Bob Iger on the day TLJ premiered, so the major story beats were already decided before any real nerdrage started to bubble up about it. For example, Rose's elimination from the movie was, unfortunately, because Abrams and Terrio decided that she was the most expendable main character. They wanted to have someone that could stay with Leia at the base to anchor her re-used scenes to the present, but it couldn't be someone who would be missed when they inevitably had to start cutting scenes in order to focus on the VFX for the ones they needed to nail. Luke catching the lightsaber definitely might've been influenced by TLJ's reaction - the island sequence in 9 was apparently reshot several months after principal photography ended, so they would have had time to react to the discourse about it by then.
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Mar 26, 2021 23:41
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The plot demands that Obi-Wan end up with that lightsaber, so he probably just would've caught it.
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Apr 9, 2021 23:10
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McCloud posted:x-post This is real fanficcy and doesn't really line up with other verifiable information about the movie. Some stuff, like Jannah being Finn's sister, is mentioned in published BTS stuff, but there's huge chunks of it that ignore existing concept art from the early versions of the movie, and stuff that the film's editors have said about the extent of reshoots.
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Apr 12, 2021 05:12
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Checks out - Steven Spielberg is the only known film director with a beard and glasses.
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Jun 5, 2021 03:43
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Grendels Dad posted:For being such a clumsy guy, his surviving the battle against the droids at the end of TPM is nothing short of a miracle. And all without using the Force. The Force is basically plot armor, and thanks to the story's origins as a Hidden Fortress riff that made Lucas decide to follow the droids as POV characters, it favors low status characters. Peasants and slaves like Anakin, Jar Jar, and R2 get the most protection in Episode I, and Amidala's entire bodyguard system is designed around disguising herself as an invincible low status character. She even clues in later on when she realizes the only way to win the battle at the end of the movie is to make herself lower than the Gungans, who get their asses kicked immediately after becoming a high status army. Anakin only starts to get into trouble once he starts being concerned about his own status, and Palpatine's entire M.O. is to become the highest status person in the galaxy. Even in the OT, Farmboy Luke is invulnerable, while status-climber wannabe Jedi Luke gets his hand chopped off. Yoda and Obi-Wan are able to hide out safely by abandoning their status, Leia is only able to defeat Jabba once she's enslaved to him, and the Ewoks are able to defeat the Empire's best troops thanks to their low status.
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Jun 9, 2021 05:57
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That's an interesting theory, but thanks to the extensive pedantry of Star Wars fans, there's a catalogued timeline of every time a character's had an action figure, and it looks like it took years for a lot of those characters to get toys. Apparently some of them (like the Tonnika Sisters) will never get toys at all, due to actors suing Lucasfilm for using their likeness without permission. Mos Eisley Cantina Jabba's Palace Bounty Hunters Though both those books and the toys were absolutely just getting merch ready for the special editions, and getting the machine revved up for the prequels.
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Aug 3, 2021 23:11
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It's insane how specific some of the toys got - to the point where they were doing versions of characters from specific scenes, or even specific moments within a scene. Sure you've got a General Grievous, but do you have General Grievous at the moment of his death with fire coming out of his eyes?  Yes you have a Palpatine, but do you have Palpatine from his one scene in Empire (the 2004 DVD version) where his hood is folded differently?  Forget Malibu Stacy with a new hat - this is Malibu Stacy at timecode 1:25:38 - 1:26:20 in the Philippine airline dub of Malibu Stacy Buys a New Hat.
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Aug 4, 2021 00:15
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Cease to Hope posted:idk this seems mainly like a confirmation, not a disagreement. a bunch of these are from a year or two after those books were released. Once the book was released it definitely influenced the toys - for example Muftak's only toy was released in a 2-pack with Kabe, due to the relationship established for them in the Tales book. I doubt the two were developed in tandem, though.
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Aug 4, 2021 17:52
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SlothfulCobra posted:But maybe, just maybe, funny hats will return to the franchise. This dude's based on unused concept art for Kylo Ren:  
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Aug 4, 2021 20:36
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Here you go - Anakin kills Greg Proops.
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Aug 26, 2021 06:58
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josh04 posted:Found a screenshot of the tool, pretty gnarly  Nowadays compers usually have 2 monitors so the tools can be on one and the image on the other, and a bunch of artists looted monitors from the studios when WFH started so they wouldn't have to go back to this.
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Feb 18, 2022 00:51
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indigi posted:What is “bloom” Bloom is the halo effect that sometimes appears in spots of very bright light when photographed - specifically when it "blooms" beyond the boundaries of the actual object being illuminated. The reflections of the set lights on 3PO's head and shoulder here are blooming, and creating flares of light that extend beyond his actual body. If he were being filmed against a bluescreen, that semi-transparent light bloom would make it a lot harder to separate him from the background, especially if it were being filmed with primitive early 2000's digital cameras.  The prequels tried to implement fake bloom a lot of the time for scenes where characters were sitting in front of bright windows to help integrate the crisp edges of the characters against the bluescreen. It got better as they went along, but never really stopped looking like big soft blobs surrounding everything, because the interior and exterior are both properly exposed and you shouldn't really be getting any bloom at all.    
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Feb 18, 2022 18:32
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Cease to Hope posted:The prequels were on the cutting edge of figuring out how to act and direct in that kind of emotionless void, and it really shows. I think it's fair to say that they didn't really figure it out, given the quality of the performances. I wouldn't say "the quality of the performances" is necessarily a bad thing, because the quality that the performances have is consistent across the principal actors, who all act differently in other movies, and similarly in the prequels. This could definitely be chalked up to them all having the same reaction to their conditions working on the movies, but Lucas has mentioned a number of times how the dialogue and performances in the prequels were given very specific stylistic direction. The stage actors did tend to do better in those movies than the film & TV actors, but you can still give a good performance in an emotionless void, and Lucas has been directing scenes in emotionless voids since the beginning of his professional career. All of Lucas' work runs on a spectrum from THX-1138 to American Graffiti. THX is the stuff that he actually likes making, while Graffiti is the stuff he thinks will sell (he only made the movie because Francis Ford Coppola dared him to make something that human beings might enjoy). If you look at any of the scripts of Star Wars from before his friends started doing uncredited rewrites on them, they were 100% Prequel Lucas and THX, with Luke dispassionately lecturing his brothers on the Senate's history of instigating race wars, and C-3PO using his superior robot brain to calculate the shot that blows up the Death Star. For whatever reason, Lucas really likes exploring the emotionless void, and he likes to use dialogue as just another form of sound design. He's an editor first, and never really moved away from the style of his early work, where he was just combining a bunch of different elements into something that had meaning as a whole. The prequels are just him attempting to do this on a larger scale, where actors are just one piece of a massive collage of moving parts that all add up to make Lucas' ideal film: 2 hours of race car footage that occasionally cuts to Data from Star Trek.
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Feb 19, 2022 09:15
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Jazerus posted:my biggest qualm with rogue one is that they killed kyle katarn. who the hell is going to save the valley of the jedi now??? You joke, but originally Jyn's mom was actually a Jedi (hence the Kyber crystal necklace), but they decided they didn't want to be that directly connected to Force stuff.
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Apparently Pablo Hidalgo mentioned that the Starkiller = Ilum thing was something they decided on when making The Force Awakens, since Rogue One was also in development and there was a lot of discussion happening about Kyber Crystals - they just waited a while to actually confirm it.
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