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Bifauxnen posted:god, has anyone ever in the history of Mafia ever posted a full Lumpenlist of all players and not had someone reply to it with "why did you list so many scum???" also, in a more serious response, I'm fine with ICR. I just think that Ruggan would also help a bit more with figuring out Mega's alignment, and I want to at least have my vote on Ruggan for pressure to post.
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SolusLunes posted:He agreed with me. "He" being Ruggan, to clarify. PMush Perfect posted:Maybe not specifically a doctor, but what's worst case scenario here? "Oh, we didn't accidentally kill a townie"? What? Did you a word here? Or am I just slow? "didn't accidentally kill a townie" only seems worst case from a scum perspective.
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Feb 13, 2020 20:41
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Amnistar posted:It feels disingenuous and superficial. Amnistar posted:My role specifically mentions the rainbow drop with regards to building. This seems like a lot of information to have casually dropped, chief, but I want to be clear: Did you mean "golden raindrop" or "rainbow drop"? One wins us the game, one's a term that means literally nothing to me
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Feb 13, 2020 20:43
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Hunt11 posted:There is a reason why it is a thing that is done whilst playing mafia. If we had to deal with the rainbow drop and kill the king you would have a point but we win from either conditions so we should play to both.  are you uhis this a scumslip
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Feb 13, 2020 20:58
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Hunt11 posted:What I meant by my post was that if we had to kill all scum and do the rainbow drop/dragon king stuff. But we don't have to do both. I can kind of get where pmush is coming from now that they've explained it. Specializing on one wincon seems like a good idea but in this case I don't see "searching for the rainbow drop" and "killing all the scum" as taking up mutually exclusive resources. It's not a good idea to ignore the scum in my opinion, but I can see how pmush got to that conclusion. It's about as good an idea as all piling into soothsaying.
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Feb 13, 2020 21:04
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Jen X posted:Hmmm okay I'm gonna go for the bait but what are the reasons, JX, especially on ICR
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Feb 13, 2020 21:05
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Hunt11 posted:I know. That was the point of my post. I feel like we're two ships passing in the night but to the same conclusion so okay
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Feb 13, 2020 21:08
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Jen X posted:Softclaimed/hinted at a thing Okay I think I know what you're talking about, but that doesn't track with the post two posts later imo
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Feb 13, 2020 21:11
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Jen X posted:Wait no they didn’t softclaim the thing in question, ignore that!!! goddamnit page breaks
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Feb 13, 2020 21:12
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Mr. Steak posted:that has never stopped town before lmao. this is a concerning reversal alli again posted:I agree with coordinating build actions and am soothseeing today. For the record, this is because I'm actively terrible at everything else. AA, given your earlier statements on me about "scum are probably bad at building and all lol put me into combat", what's your thought on Alli's "I'm bad at everything, and combat too"?
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Feb 13, 2020 23:03
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Dragonatrix posted:Might bear repeating, but I am still opposed to the ICR rush here. You shouldn't temper that with a "despite": at best, switching off the no-lynch is a null read. Jumping onto a bandwagon that, uh, thinly, when it would have been less scummy for him to say nothing at all, is bad.
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Feb 13, 2020 23:05
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SolusLunes posted:You shouldn't temper that with a "despite": at best, switching off the no-lynch is a null read. Jumping onto a bandwagon that, uh, thinly, when it would have been less scummy for him to say nothing at all and just drop a vote, is bad. mafia edit
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Feb 13, 2020 23:05
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Mr. Steak posted:i admit to having trouble following this game and skimming a bunch of pages. im trying to get through n1 so i reach the meat of the game. part of why i'd genuinely want to NL on d1 (which, no, i never expected to actually happen), is because i get lunched in d1 a lot and it sucks to be that person. the idea of pardoning someone from that fate appeals to me so your original NL vote had nothing to do with pmush's mechanics reasons for wanting a NL?
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Feb 13, 2020 23:08
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Feb 13, 2020 23:20
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SolusLunes posted:I'm just gonna do the soothseer thing for my day action build shenanigans, and hunt scum. Someone else can do the citybuilder combat stuff thinking, because I sure ain't. claim Amnistar posted:Also, again, the likelyhood of a build-cop in this game is not inconsequential. Catching someone lying about where they claimed to be building is a very real possibility. This is probably something you might have wanted to keep to yourself- it's possible scum didn't think of that possibility.
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Feb 14, 2020 23:01
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Amnistar posted:Was this accurate Solus? Yep.
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Goddamn you fuckers post a lot yesterday was the wife's birthday so I've been out most of this weekend, I'll catch up For the moment though I'll work on masonry so I can get an idea of what the number for soothsaying means, think I'm pretty decent at it but not 100% sure, depends on the scale. Additionally after reading the combat results, I'll say that I should probably not be put into combat then- three attacks from me would just barely kill a slime. I think I'm more of a tank than I am damage focused. (Though weapon damage boosts would help me.)
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I'll do the beating sticks for masonry, the clubs pardon my lack of engagement, I have had to wash my bed because cats are colossal assholes including soaking the mattress
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Iron Chef Ramen posted:Goddamn. cats.txt
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Ruggan posted:Maybe a good idea for future days: single-staff suspected scum to a project. If that project makes progress, they are confirmed town. If the project does not, they are confirmed scum. This is mechanically both a good and a bad idea- yes, that's probably how things work. However, while we could clear four people/day (or catch scum) that may leave us in a bad position for the sieges. Honestly I kind of want to boost this idea because it's still fantastic if we scale it down to one or two. I think there is also a small chance of a false positive- some people probably do have Actual Zeroes for their abilities on some projects, but I don't think that's a significant risk. Also, even though I pushed Ruggan D1, they've been posting now a lot today, and I don't think they're scum, or at least, they're pushing Pmush in what is a legitimately concerning number of inconsistencies and it's kind of baffling to me that people want to push Ruggan after they've put in that much actual work. ##vote Pmush I'm very suspicious of the people currently pushing Ruggan, that is: 
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I'm also curious about Dragonatrix and ICR's claims. There's a confirmed masonchat in every game, and it's called scumchat. Just putting that out there, especially since Dragon's one of the ones pushing a crap Ruggan case.
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Bifauxnen posted:oh lol sup scumbro, you and your B-tier lurker friend binus can both go up the ranks binus is my ride or die here bif 
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Bifauxnen posted:oh lol sup scumbro, you and your B-tier lurker friend binus can both go up the ranks also, more seriously, I thought you were reconsidering your ruggan vote and shifting towards pmush. Why haven't you?
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Feb 17, 2020 17:38
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Bifauxnen posted:I was willing to hear him out. But after finally sitting down to do the proper work he sounded full of bullshit again. He sounds like town Steak going off on thirty tangents, except he can't quite reconcile all of them in a neat and pretty way, and I think that's giving scum inroads to discredit and lunch him.
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Feb 17, 2020 17:43
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Ruggan posted:Sure but it still feels like a meta strategy. Just feels broken and optimal. Would it cause a choice though? Does scum have to choose one of the two projects or just sabotage in general? If it's choose, well, they could choose the same project as the one the person working there has claimed, so it wouldn't trigger a tiebreaker.
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Iron Chef Ramen posted:##vote KB This is a bad vote. Don't offload your thinking onto the confirmed town.
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Feb 17, 2020 22:12
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Especially when Keane didn't give a justification for the KB vote, and you just want to bandwagon onto it. Still thinking ICR and Drag might be scum pulling a confirmed masons gambit.
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Feb 17, 2020 22:13
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Lux Animus posted:After Amnistar just said 'let's not veer our vote leaders at the last minute D2 as it's bad for future data,' Bifauxnen is saying: Why would what Amnistar thinks about voting patterns be relevant for people who aren't them? I feel like you're trying to read in a gotcha that isn't there in the slightest.
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In fact, ##vote Lux
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Jen X posted:Aww ty I thought amni was the builder 
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Pushing off to Lux is really pinging me. Especially since I see three people I think are scum on that list. (ICR, Dragon, Pmush)
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Feb 17, 2020 23:59
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SolusLunes posted:Pushing off to Lux is really pinging me. mafia edit: off of Lux lux is the right vote imo
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Feb 17, 2020 23:59
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MegaZeroX posted:You think IRC and Dragon are scumbuddies together that are pulling of a mason gambit in a game where one can also accidentally die in combat? I do suspect it, yes!
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Ruggan posted:If scum can not attack monsters then we can assume at at most one player from N1 was scum. If there was one, it was probably one of the two that aimed at the same target. Will have to look later. Man, if scum can't attack monsters, and can't hide by contributing to building, that seems unbalanced. There's got to be something more, I think. Or that assumption's incorrect.
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b-minus1 posted:I’m wondering if solus is scum and was trying to pocket me with this post See that would be reasonable if I didn't start my next post with "also, more seriously" You're reading too much into it, binus
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Bifauxnen posted:I feel bad for the scums Right? Next we'll find out there's multiple cops to go along with the multiple docs and confirmed masons. This is one of the reasons why I don't believe the confirmed masons claim, incidentally. All this poo poo doesn't seem, uh, balanced.
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Also, for those of you who believe people in combat simply because they actually engaged in combat: Ask Mona about Sal. Scum would be dumb to actually try to kill people in combat in this game, tbh, looking at my own stats- it would be literally impossible for me to kill myself without any serious upgrades, and would take upwards of ten combat nights for me to kill myself if I didn't have armor. Relying on combat results to clear people seems like a good way to get tripped up. I also question clearing ICR just because claim to have taken all the damage from the monsters- so? This is combat against, essentially, NPCs- it's stated in the OP that "Scum may instead undermine the town defenders in a variety of ways," not that scum are controlling the monsters. I don't think scum are controlling the monsters, there's likely some kind of backend logic in it since it's very clearly "you can openly plan combat".
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Lux Animus posted:If town can plan combat strategy openly why can't scum also direct monster attacks to - say - focus everything on one person? Wouldn't that be balanced? Hmm, terming them as complaints is curious. I'm warning more against complacency for town.
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King Burgundy posted:BTW Solus, this post was directed to you and I still haven't seen you do this. I agree that they claimed this. Please show me in the OP where it states scum cannot hit monsters in combat. If you're referring to "Scum have their own targeting rules. It doesn't involve attacking the monsters and hopefully you can guess from there." This does not say that scum CAN'T target monsters, like it says that scum CAN'T build: "Scum also submit a construction choice, but they either do nothing to aid the project or actively harm it. They may not build." I think that their confirmed town is a scum gambit playing on ambiguity and it's working fantastically well.
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