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doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

The General posted:

Latest episode of Picard was really disappointing.

Torture porn, the dumbest loving advertising bullshit 'lol' scene I ever did see. Real badly written melodrama. Sword Weeb can't handle acting or pretending or whatever. The gently caress. Shoot me now.

Everything about Freecloud I didn't like, but that advertising poo poo was the goddamn worst. You can just make holograms appear on peoples bridges? The gently caress?

Back in my day you got hailed, and the captain decided if they wanted to listen to whatever bullshit the Lt. in charge of comms is listening to.

Edit: I also think 7's ocular implant looked better on Voyager. On Picard it looks like a piece of rubber, and it bends too much with her eyebrow movements.

I kinda liked how the holo-ads were obviously targeted ads, as well as being off their mark and ineffective, just like ads today. "Hmm, this one's a robot doctor, let's show her the robot fighting ad, should be a good fit."

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doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

If I were a violent and seedy nightclub owner, and technology of the day was such that elevated heart rate and stuff could summon electronic ghosts to my aid, I would definitely have hidden preprogrammed holo projectors in my seedy violent nightclub, just in case someone tried to kill me.

edit: remember when on DS9 the replicators started making drone laser turrets and shooting everyone, then Dukat comes strutting onto the bridge and none of the turrets shot him b/c they were (at first) coded to not shoot him? I would have those in my nightclub too.

doctorfrog fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Feb 23, 2020

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

hm, the next ep is called "the impossible box."

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Captain Hygiene posted:

My favorite thing about really early TNG is how hard they lean into the "people are super advanced and perfect now" idea, like you get little kids walking by talking about their calculus classes and French native Jean-Luc Picard being all "FRANCE? WHAT'S A FRANCE?!" because we've temporarily moved beyond even the memory of nations. What I'm saying is, this show needs more smugly casual reminders of how much better future people are.

Picard knew what France was and in s1 chews out Q for wearing a super high commandy Field Marshall uniform iirc. But you’re right ST is fun when it presents an aspirational view of the future and sorta lords it over us present day scum.

doctorfrog fucked around with this message at 03:02 on Feb 26, 2020

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

drilldo squirt posted:

Really pissed they killed hugh.

yeah this show's bummin' me out.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

As a TNG fan I was an easy sell this ep but they leaned kinda hard on the "it's soo good to see you," for even my tastes. I like Riker and Trio's home though, I'd totally love there in any timeline.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Shaocaholica posted:

Lol you got stuck in the ribbon have fun not enjoying anything.

Yeah that house did kinda look like Ribbon Kirk's place. I dunno, looks nice! Nicest place in Picard so far, even better than the vineyard.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Yeah... Trek has always been a little cheap, I find it endearing when I'm otherwise enjoying myself. Like, someone pointed out their using a 3D printer as a prop replicator: that's fine, I have no problem with that.

But watching The Witcher, then Picard, then Altered Carbon, it starts to look really low-effort. Altered Carbon S2 is not, IMO, a worthy second season, but it at least looks like they tried to build some dang sets. Star Trek Picard looks cheeeeeep.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

I wonder what was in that mind meld that made the cake lady murder her old boyfriend. Because the montage I saw would not have done it for me.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

hemale in pain posted:

gently caress troi and riker are both really good. they should of been in the series from the start.

Would they do a cooking show, I wonder? I would watch them do a cooking show as either themselves or their TNG characters, or mix it up some.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

sweet geek swag posted:

Maybe it just drives you insane because it's like a mind virus or something. They keep passing it telepathically and that way people are forced to help whatever crazy prophecy/prediction that the dumb villains are following.

Quick, someone splice in footage from Event Horizon.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

HD DAD posted:

Star Trek: Picard - Season Finale

*Picard arrives back at his vineyard after the season’s events*

Laris: My what an adventure you had!
Picard: I know! I saw my old friends and fought a super secret Romulan cabal, and even the Borg!
Laris: You even met Seven of Nine!
Picard: That was brilliant!
Laris: I’m glad you had fun, Jean-Luc

*A nurse ends the program and walks into the holodeck*

Nurse: Your holodeck time is up, Jean-Luc. Time to get back to bed.

*Last shot is Picard sobbing to himself in his room in a Starfleet nursing home*
Season 2: Dixon Hill

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

large_gourd posted:

nah, that's what it actually was. not autism specifically, just mental disability. it's how they are written and how they are played.

I don't disagree, but I wonder if you could rewrite them as a species who were given or accidentally discovered powerful technology, but didn't evolve enough as a culture to manage it, or themselves, or anything. You could have some fun tying that to modern day human handling of... nearly everything requiring global scale management.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Origami Dali posted:

I had forgotten about this uh outfit




there's a lwaxana version of this outfit-and-turn that I won't be the one to link to

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Frankenstyle posted:

Don't get all protective of your heroes. I'm not saying they're usually wrong. I'm saying they've become really half assed about the reasoning that forms their opinions. They used to make cogent points, but have kind of fallen back on this lazy "It's bad cause I don't get it" schtick that's kinda awkward when the poo poo they pretend they "don't get" is pretty obvious and basic. They've gotten lazier than the poo poo they live to bitch about.

Yeah I've seen a bit of this in their video, but I don't care because the show isn't very good, and RLM being cranky for the sake of cranky is part of my media diet now. It's all of a piece.

I figure Mike made his early Plinkett Star Trek stuff only after the shows didn't exist in the public imagination anymore, and there were points that bugged him and had been turning over in his head for years and years. This show is mostly about banging out disgruntled responses to a show that came out a week ago that won't be looked at ever again (Picard and their reviews). I'm ok with it not being timeless.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

MR.B posted:

Good episode again. A shame there are only two left.

oooh lemme try

Good episode? Again, a shame. There are only two left!

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

I miss lcars.

they took the time to think "if everything were a reconfigurable touch screen, what would a UI look like" and came up with something that made sense to the viewer in loving 1989.

now it's all just literal handwaving. it looks like rear end and doesn't make sense.

I think in the previous ep Picard calls up an interface that looks a bit like LCARS, like it was the modern hand wavey thing but an older version. I appreciated it, if I didn't imagine it.

also, lol at the witch circle scene

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Ep seemed kinda impatient with itself, like it's in as much in a hurry to be done with itself as I was.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

I was puzzled by the response of one of the soongdroids, getting mad at the ban for preventing more synths from being made as murdering them before they were born. It might have been less stupid than that, but I am not going back to find out exactly what she said.

In one way, it's a dumb thing to be mad about. It's like being upset with menstruation or masturbation at wasting a chance to make another human. All those murdered humans, never permitted to be born. On the other hand, maybe that's an actual credible threat that synths could present.

Let's say for a moment that the Federation gives synths a planet. There you go, synths. The synths make a cluster of buildings that looks like a very expensive strip mall in a Los Angeles suburb, much like the episode presents us. They produce more of themselves free of interference from fearful meat-people. They're peaceful and happy and more or less superhuman within the bounds of a television writer's imagination.

A splinter faction forms that decides it's a priority to replicate synths. It's what it wants to do. Failure to make synths is akin to murder, not a moment can be lost. So it splits off and starts making more synths. It just makes more and more. And they're not mindless blank bowling pins, they're all unique forms of life with personality and all that, all given freedom and power and everything else every other synth (or Federation citizen) has a right to.

Out of each generation of these unique synths, there is a handful that also just wants to make more synths, faster, better, etc. To not make more is sinful, essentially murder. Any lost chance to make another synth is a murder of a future potential complex and sentient individual.

From here on it can be a gray goo kinda problem, just with self-replicating forms of life. Only they don't have to be like the Borg, where they are all gray, and all the same. They can be a huge, diverse race, just one that is able to out-replicate and out-populate everyone else at a huge rate. Every one of them an individual with individual rights that cannot be suppressed. Yet they will outnumber every other population in the galaxy in no time at all. Not only that, they have seemingly legitimate claims of superiority.

How can the Federation deal with that? How does this test Federation ideals?

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Oh no wait just have a witch circle where the ladies go crazy

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Peachfart posted:

Ah, so more Mass Effect plots, but for machines instead of biological people.

I've never played Mass Effect and I never will. But I'd be real surprised if they were the first to come up with "tech level triggers apocalypse" or "robots are ideal citizens but challenge enlightened society's tolerance for an Other" plots.

At least with your Kurtzmann/Abrams plots, the attempt is at ~mystery~ instead of ~originality~. Expectations are lower than for your average SA poster.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

infernal machines posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker_(novel_series) circa 1963, and sci-fi being what it is it's been done over a bajillion times. Personally, I'm a fan of Alastair Reynolds' Inhibitor Trilogy

OTOH this is almost a direct ripoff of the Mass Effect premise specifically. So it's not just conceptually unoriginal, it's wholesale lifting the story elements from the game.

Something to add to the ol reading list, thanks.

Re: the show runners of Picard—they don’t care and in the running trend of our time, will only be rewarded because there is no point of failure for anyone above a certain level of their given pyramid.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Robot lady was definitely dead imo. Glass hummingbird to the eyeball.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Tip posted:

Not-data also was like, "Get this man a glass of water! Us organics get thirsty, we're not all machines!"

What? Machines? And they don't drink water? I'm pretty sure the writers never decided what a synth is and they just wing it from episode to episode. Sometimes they're like Data, sometimes they're exactly like a person, sometimes they're somewhere in between.

He was referring to old dudes I think.

I'm still getting over the clip of Discovery I saw on the RLM review, apparently the main character dons an anime angel space suit at some point. Like, I'd be mad but ok if Star Trek did something I didn't like if it actually meant something, but it's just random plasticky visual ideas since the first Abrams movie.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Rutibex posted:

he is movie picard

Nooooo! *smashes a glass case with the butt of a phaser rifle*

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

I didn't hate Enterprise, but I did hate Archer.

vvv to be clear, Bakula is just fine-ula.

Like, I walked away from Voyager not real happy with Janeway's character, but an overall sense of well-wishing for Kate Mulgrew.

doctorfrog fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Mar 25, 2020

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Rutibex posted:

Enterprise is.....better than Star Trek Picard

Enterprise is Star Trek. Runnin' around in a space ship, trying to be peaceful and dealing with anomalies and time travel, being kinda self righteous but running up against the limits of your knowledge. It wasn't usually that great but it was Star Trek.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

It does bear repeating that it can take a couple seasons for a Star Trek to get really good. Think: Kurtzmann follows JJ's coattails elsewhere, some new showrunner joins on, and it either gets much worse or much better.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Tip posted:

Hey remember how they made a huge deal at the beginning of the season about how the synths have to be made in pairs? Where the gently caress is Picard's twin?

I want two Picards in season two.

Wait, I predicted that Picard was a replicant based on the animated intro to the show. Is this what happens? I haven't watched the final eps yet and don't care about spoilers.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Frankenstyle posted:

I kinda thought Enterprise was mostly okay, but that's largely because I honestly thought they intentionally wrote Archer as an incompetent gently caress-up that stumbled through his career on nothing but blind stupid luck. The show works fine when you think it's basically The Office in space.

Hm, I despised the Office as well. But, like Enterprise, I watched every single episode, so I'm clearly an idiot.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Tip posted:

Picard makes a big heroic sacrifice to save everyone, but guess what, they transferred his consciousness into a robot that looks exactly like him and is the same in every single way including that he's a weak old man who will probably die before long.

Really shakes things up when your main character dies and literally nothing changes.

Eh, it sounds ok. But they made him a weak old man robot. Eh, that's ok. No wait, that's dumb. Can't make up my mind yet.

Does Admiral Nancy "loving" Hubris show up to give him crap about it at least?

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

I'm at the part when the beard man's ship is broken and the 3000 watt search lights built into the back of the ship are off and I can actually see the actors without glare.

fake edit: whoops he fixed it, pow! It's a 2010's TV show again.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

A4R8 posted:

I want to see more of the robot Lovecraft monster glimpsed at in the portal.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Lowen SoDium posted:

Picard: "I can handle it from here, thanks for the help Will"

Riker: *leaves*

Picard: *immediately dies*

Maybe leave behind a couple ships to watch over the planet, you know those Romulans, sometimes they're a little tri- NOPE CAN"T COMPLICATE OUR EMOTIONAL DEATH SCENE

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

just finished it.

it's like a comic book you read about a show you like that's off-canon and you don't mind because it's just a comic book and you can ignore a lot of the bad writing and stuff, but instead, it's a reboot of a television show.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

More q+a with Michael Chabon. I am not impressed with his work on this show, if I'm understanding which bits of it are his, but he could easily crawl into a hole and retweet congratulatory pap instead of answer any questions, so at least he's done that. I just bolded the stuff I thought was dumb or answered burning questions I had.

quote:

What became of Narek?

Yeah. Narek. We know, we know. A casualty of the editorial process, alas. The intention was for him to be taken into Federation custody.


What about the xBs?

We shot a scene intended to show Ramdha and other xBs beginning to form a kind of community with the Synths under the auspices of Soong. In the end we couldn't find a place for it that worked and we felt that losing it didn't hurt too much. Maybe we were wrong!

Which came first, the Admonition or the Sisters prophecy Narek spoke of?

The Admonition predates Romulan civilization by hundreds of centuries. If Romulans had not chanced upon it, their history would be very different. Their pre-existing mythology of Gamadan just gave them a framework for interpreting their experience of the Admonition.

Are they really sentient if Deanna can't sense them like she did Lore, Lala, and Data (when she felt)?

The emotion chip and the creation of Soong androids encountered by Troi represent an earlier approach to android emotional engineering. I think Troi or any Betazoid could be trained to read the emotions of the current generation. (OP: Also, recall that there are species that Betazoids can't read, including Ferengi.)

Will Jurati face legal punishment?

She will put herself in the hands of the law.


Will Soong build himself another Golem?

Probably

Are the Starfleet ships' designs influenced by Star Trek Online?

I don't know the answer to that.

What was the class of Riker's ship? And was that filmed in Toronto?

It's a Curiosity*-class ship* (OP: I was right!)And yes, shot in Toronto where Frakes was busy directing DISCO.

Was there ever discussion of having Q speak to Picard, a la Tapestry?

No, never.

Why was Data kept like that when he could've been put into a Golem?

If he could've been put in a golem, he would've been. Soong's golem was not operational and, as he says, he had abandoned work on it until the seeming imminence of his own death renewed his interest in it. What's more, that was a highly sophisticated reconstruction/simulation of Data's consciousness, as Data explains, and not a fully accurate, literal transcription thereof.

Why does Starfleet have so many of the same ship? Do they have any others?

It would be odd and unprecedented if they didn't!


Was the set of DSCs bridge used for Riker's ship?

There was far more cleverness, skill, and wizardry involved, both practical and digital, than your question implies. (OP: While the chair and bridge stations seen behind Riker are clearly from Discovery, the over-the-shoulder shots facing the viewscreen show other stations and details.)

How was Narissa still on the cube? Didn't she warp out?

She beamed, not "warped," and "away," not "out."

Are the evolved AI beings the same who altered a probe in Discovery?

If so, it's news to me. (OP: In Discovery, the probe was altered in the far future by sentient AI Control. In Picard, the evolved synthetic life came from the distant past.)

Did Rios keep the deus ex tool?

It is an important point of honor for Rios that he return what was borrowed.

I wish more had been done for JL advocating for the xBs. Cut/seed for s2?

It would be a good thing, for them and for him.

What did they do with Picard's corpse?

I wondered the same thing!

Can we hope for the (Seven-Raffi) relationship to be explored in season 2?

I hope I don't get in trouble for saying, yes.

How much did you have TOS androids in mind?

Well, I remember Kirsten Beyer and me cracking each other up with discussions about the android duplicator in "What Are Little Girls Made Of?"

What was one concept from your original pitch to Patrick that you wish stayed in?

Picard as the road/stage manager of an itinerant interplanetary theater company, alone in an empty theater, acting out a scene from Krapp's Last Tape just before the planet he was on got assimilated. Not sure I wish it were still there, but it's fun to think about.


Why didn't Oh kamikaze the synths?

I'd like to think she was listening to Picard and Soji, but maybe that's just because I believe in Star Trek. Perhaps she thought it would be more effective to live and fight another day.

How much time between Picard's resurrection and the final scene?

Long enough for loose ends to be tied up, the xBs seen to and their safety arranged, Seven and Raffi to hook up, Jurati to hire a lawyer ...


Would the advanced synths be concerned that the beacon stopped so abruptly?

Who even knows,
after 200,000 years, if they're still "advanced." Maybe they've devolved.

Will S2 go deeper into the Romulan rescue?

In a way.

Section 31 ... how much do they know about the Zhat Vash and do they care?

Section 31 has always kinda seemed like they have their heads too far up their own asses, to me.


If you could bring two Deep Space Nine characters aboard La Sirena, which ones and why?

I'd love to check in on Garak and Bashir. They're always so much fun to hang out with.


In-universe explanation as to why Starfleet's armada looks the same?

They actually don't. Because they aren't. ... I am working to confirm, but I believe there are actually four distinct classes.


Was Oh indeed half-Vulcan, half-Romulan?

Yes. Her parent's were re-unificationists. Or so her Romulan mother wanted it to be believed.

(OP: There were many more questions and answers, but I believed these to be the most important ones. Your mileage may vary.)

stolen from reddit

doctorfrog fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Mar 27, 2020

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

I think what bothers me most at the moment is Picard basically being ok with being a robot clone of his dead self. Maybe they'll have him self-reflect a bit in S2. I'm thinking of when Riker had a transporter clone made that lived on his own for 7 years and ended up having a dramatically different outlook on life, changed his name to Thomas, and joined the Macquis. But this show has a weirdly conflicted desire to be fan-servicey and yet be as 2020 prestige TV as it can. It wants the same familiar characters from the show for nostalgia weight but doesn't want to do anything that feels genuine with them, or tries to reconstruct a sense of genuineness without bothering to think very hard about it, because it's also trying to do another thing that's not entirely thought or budgeted out.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

ok guys we need a big fleet of starfleet ships

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doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

infernal machines posted:

None of that matters, the dialog was written because it sounds meaningful, not because they had any interest in exploring the concept.

gat dang this sentence makes me sad. You sum it up well.

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doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Bistromatic posted:

That part does not bother me at all, if you accept that someone can essentially be both a computer program and a person then it's a small step to accept mind transfer. Hell, he never once doubted that the copy of Data running on that computer was in fact Data so it seems like a logical conclusion that he would also accept his own identity being preserved during a transfer.

What's hosed up is this whole "mortality is what gives live meaning" thing while standing in a town full of people who do not age. Or acting like your lovers life only gained meaning because he chose to commit suicide.

How about the distinction between dying of brain problems vs dying of some other part of your body giving out in a few years when both are equally avoidable now. Why is ten more years okay but not fifty? Why is it acceptable for Vulcans to live to 200 years but not for humans? Are Vulcan lives any less meaningful because they live longer? Are they gonna share this technology with the rest of the federation? Death by old age is now genuinely preventable, what are the moral implications of that?

*moe's mentor slowly walking into a pond to drown, only it's data*

It's not so much the fact of the transfer and it's not really explored, it's that it's accepted as a character reset with no further consideration so we can have both a teary sacrifice and our main character back. I can get how a 24th century person would have fewer qualms about it than a backwards 21st century dipshit like me who has never had his atoms scrambled, though.

edit: Picard once had the opportunity to live his whole life again from being a kid, and turned it down so that TNG could continue with its middle-aged captain, though. It's lame but there's precedent for the character to want to stay really old.

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