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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

I think the only person I've seen thrilled to be selected for jury duty was my dad who got his summons a couple of months after being naturalized. He adorably went in with his best clothes only to not get selected. :(

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graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts
please do not shirk jury duty or lie in voir dire to get out of it, thanks

PokeJoe
Aug 24, 2004

hail cgatan


i only got a jury duty thing once and i didn't have to do it because it was for a town i didn't live in anymore.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

AnimeIsTrash posted:

I think the only person I've seen thrilled to be selected for jury duty was my dad who got his summons a couple of months after being naturalized. He adorably went in with his best clothes only to not get selected. :(

i would've been all over it if there wasn't a loving pandemic going on and the notice included multiple disclaimers to expect "long lines and long hours and crowding" despite the "social distancing" they made passing reference to. like, i have a vulnerable household with a child under 1 and another under 4, gently caress off with that poo poo

though they love engineers, i would've relished the opportunity to gently caress some prosecutor out of dicking over a nonviolent criminal or making GBS threads on some abusive small business owner or whatever via jury nullification

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



PokeJoe posted:

i only got a jury duty thing once and i didn't have to do it because it was for a town i didn't live in anymore.

my parents used to get them for me in the town i grew up in all the time until i finally sent the county clerk a copy of my license from another state. here i’ve been on notice to be in the pool four times in five years but always been called off the night before so i’ve never had to do it. my parents both got called on the same defendant - dad sat on the grand jury that indicted the guy and mom got called to be in the pool for the trial a few months later but was excused when she mentioned she was married to one of the grand jury.

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
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i like the tori maneuver that you simply claim during voir dire that you think cops should be held to a higher standard than other civilians and that you maybe don't trust them in general

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

i like the tori maneuver that you simply claim during voir dire that you think cops should be held to a higher standard than other civilians

i subscribe 100% to this view and i suspect it will keep me off juries for my entire life, which is kinda too bad cause i think it would be a good experience to have at some point.

graph
Nov 22, 2006

aaag peanuts

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

i like the tori maneuver that you simply claim during voir dire that you think cops should be held to a higher standard than other civilians and that you maybe don't trust them in general

Sagebrush posted:

i subscribe 100% to this view and i suspect it will keep me off juries for my entire life, which is kinda too bad cause i think it would be a good experience to have at some point.



graph posted:

please do not shirk jury duty or lie in voir dire to get out of it, thanks

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



use jury duty as an exercise to convert your fellow jurors from agents of capital to working for the unity of the common man and get dumb property crimes and poo poo thrown out unanimously

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
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lmao

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012


So am I supposed to perjure myself in order to get onto the jury in the hopes of hanging it, or something?

If the DA asks me "do you trust the police" I'm gonna answer honestly

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
yeah we're talking about telling the truth in voir dire, which if you're not a vindictive chud is almost guaranteed to have the prosecutor strike you

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I've always wondered what would happen if you got selected for jury duty on a big case. Like do you basically have to quit your job for a couple of months if not years for the really long winded cases?

e: or the ones where they basically lock the jury up to keep them from getting the news and such. How is that even fair to the jurors lol.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


can anyone recommend a not insanely expensive and not poo poo webcam? My ancient logitech c270 broke when I was wiping the lens but also was potato quality anyway, when I look around it all seems to be no name brands with 1 star reviews or crazy expensive "professional" ones for streaming games and /or porn

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



spankmeister posted:

I've always wondered what would happen if you got selected for jury duty on a big case. Like do you basically have to quit your job for a couple of months if not years for the really long winded cases?

e: or the ones where they basically lock the jury up to keep them from getting the news and such. How is that even fair to the jurors lol.

I'm civilized nations you get paid out of the unemployment benefits system for doing your "civic duty"

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

can anyone recommend a not insanely expensive and not poo poo webcam? My ancient logitech c270 broke when I was wiping the lens but also was potato quality anyway, when I look around it all seems to be no name brands with 1 star reviews or crazy expensive "professional" ones for streaming games and /or porn

if you have a mac and iphone the camo app is outstanding. if you don’t want to buy a sony camera and use their live-streaming or hdmi support your best bet is the logitech 4k series and a good light setup behind your computer. that last will make a huge difference, and make you look better to boot, especially if you have some coming from the bottom as well as the top.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


mediaphage posted:

if you have a mac and iphone the camo app is outstanding. if you don’t want to buy a sony camera and use their live-streaming or hdmi support your best bet is the logitech 4k series and a good light setup behind your computer. that last will make a huge difference, and make you look better to boot, especially if you have some coming from the bottom as well as the top.

I mean much as I'd like to dazzle my colleagues with my face in beautifully lit 4k this is probably a bit ott, 1080p should do the job I think

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

I mean much as I'd like to dazzle my colleagues with my face in beautifully lit 4k this is probably a bit ott, 1080p should do the job I think

yeah but the 4k lines if they aren’t too much money for you, also incorporate better tech for lighting, newer sensors, etc. you can leave it in 1080p if you want.

otherwise just buy whatever other 1080p logitech can you want. microsoft made decent webcams but ime theyve been less and less well supported with each new iteration of windows

also by lighting i don’t mean like giant photo lights and stands, i just mean like an led strip or light or something bouncing off something to provide lots of indirect light. it’s the number one thing you can do to make your webcam look better especially if you have anything bright in the background.

mediaphage fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Dec 5, 2020

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


oh right I get what you mean now. Looks like you're right on the price as well though that might be an effect of covid gouging as anywhere with stock is selling for £20 more than the list price

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
If you have a multimonitor setup, you can "lifehack" lighting a bit by turning one of your monitors into a lightwall for the duration of the meeting. Just pull up a solid colour image over the whole screen.

If you don't like the effects that pure white has, try something with a tinge of peach or pink to it.

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
holy poo poo that’s legit advice

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

Jabor posted:

If you have a multimonitor setup, you can "lifehack" lighting a bit by turning one of your monitors into a lightwall for the duration of the meeting. Just pull up a solid colour image over the whole screen.

If you don't like the effects that pure white has, try something with a tinge of peach or pink to it.

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
we’re replacing an older television in the basement with a larger model so I’m about to get a 32” monitor :getin:

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


Jabor posted:

If you have a multimonitor setup, you can "lifehack" lighting a bit by turning one of your monitors into a lightwall for the duration of the meeting. Just pull up a solid colour image over the whole screen.

If you don't like the effects that pure white has, try something with a tinge of peach or pink to it.

*neo voice* woah

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Jabor posted:

If you have a multimonitor setup, you can "lifehack" lighting a bit by turning one of your monitors into a lightwall for the duration of the meeting. Just pull up a solid colour image over the whole screen.

If you don't like the effects that pure white has, try something with a tinge of peach or pink to it.

not a bad idea but tbh indirect lighting (bounce your monitor off of something, even copy paper will do) is gonna be easier on your eyes especially for a long meeting

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

graph posted:

please do not shirk jury duty or lie in voir dire to get out of it, thanks
i think this and people should shift their opinion to it

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

...cops should be held to a higher standard than other civilians and... maybe don't trust them in general
but i also think this and people should shift their opinion to it

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.
the easiest way to resolve this ethical conundrum for jurors, is to hold cops to a higher legal standard than other civilians and the question of trusting them resolves too

Fortaleza
Feb 21, 2008

For the record I was lying/exaggerating to get on the jury!

shoeberto
Jun 13, 2020

which way to the MACHINES?

PokeJoe posted:

i only got a jury duty thing once and i didn't have to do it because it was for a town i didn't live in anymore.

Same

Was just one county over but I called just to check and they were like nah u good just return the form and we'll take you off the list.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

spankmeister posted:

I've always wondered what would happen if you got selected for jury duty on a big case. Like do you basically have to quit your job for a couple of months if not years for the really long winded cases?

Yes.

now, the kinds of cases where the jury has to be sequestered and it lasts months at a time are extremely rare. Like OJ Simpson trial rare. Most of the time if the jury is sequestered it's going to be for a couple of weeks, and for the trials that take months or years, you keep coming back but usually only have to be there occasionally.

That said though jury duty can absolutely be an undue burden in the USA. I got called for one case once that was going to start at the beginning of the summer, which the judge said was a civil case between two landlords (gag) and it was anticipated to take eight to ten weeks, four days a week all day. There were audible gasps when he said this. Jurors in San Francisco are paid $17 a day, which just about covers lunch and parking if you manage to get one of the few subsidized spaces at the Hall of Justice. People working hourly jobs would literally become homeless or die from serving on that jury, and people with salaried positions are technically not allowed to be fired for jury duty but lmao it's america.

So for this reason juries are often composed of the only people who can take months off with no pay with no real detriment to their lifestyle: wealthy retirees, housewives, and low-level failsons

Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Dec 5, 2020

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

Sagebrush posted:

and low-level failsons

Hey, I've only been on one jury and I voted to acquit.

:mad:

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

Sagebrush posted:

Yes.

now, the kinds of cases where the jury has to be sequestered and it lasts months at a time are extremely rare. Like OJ Simpson trial rare. Most of the time if the jury is sequestered it's going to be for a couple of weeks, and for the trials that take months or years, you keep coming back but usually only have to be there occasionally.

That said though jury duty can absolutely be an undue burden in the USA. I got called for one case once that was going to start at the beginning of the summer, which the judge said was a civil case between two landlords (gag) and it was anticipated to take eight to ten weeks, four days a week all day. There were audible gasps when he said this. Jurors in San Francisco are paid $17 a day, which just about covers lunch and parking if you manage to get one of the few subsidized spaces at the Hall of Justice. People working hourly jobs would literally become homeless or die from serving on that jury, and people with salaried positions are technically not allowed to be fired for jury duty but lmao it's america.

So for this reason juries are often composed of the only people who can take months off with no pay with no real detriment to their lifestyle: wealthy retirees, housewives, and low-level failsons
it is utterly baffling that a property/nuisance/trespassing/contract case between two landlords requires a jury. unless of course you make sure every juror is a landlord. just to punish landlords, really

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)

Kenny Logins posted:

the easiest way to resolve this ethical conundrum for jurors, is to hold cops to a higher legal standard than other civilians and the question of trusting them resolves too

THEY HAVE A HARD JOB OKAy?????????????

:byodood::chud::byodood::chud:

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

President Beep posted:

THEY HAVE A HARD JOB OKAy?????????????

:byodood::chud::byodood::chud:
lots of people with hard jobs are held to a higher standard than your average joe for things arising out of their work. even/especially when it’s not life and limb on the line but property and investment dollars. hmmmmm

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

Imagine if society was like "it's okay for airline pilots to get boozed up past 0.08 BAC when they go and fly a plane, because although that would be illegal for even an old man moving his car around on his farm, the pilots are professionals so if they do it they have a good reason to."

That's how we treat cops when they murder people with their guns

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

Sagebrush posted:

Imagine if society was like "it's okay for airline pilots to get boozed up past 0.08 BAC when they go and fly a plane, because although that would be illegal for even an old man moving his car around on his farm, the pilots are professionals so if they do it they have a good reason to."

That's how we treat cops when they murder people with their guns

DELETE CASCADE
Oct 25, 2017

i haven't washed my penis since i jerked it to a phtotograph of george w. bush in 2003

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

cops should be held to a higher standard than other civilians

i don't see how this is controversial AT ALL? like duh, cops go through special training (lol), carry weapons, and have a government-granted monopoly on the use of force, OF COURSE they are held to a higher standard. who DOESN'T think this when pressed a bit on it? i mean, aside from cops themselves. like even the guy with a thin blue line flag on his truck, he is trying to express his specific respect for the police, literally holding them to a higher standard

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

by Shine

DELETE CASCADE posted:

like even the guy with a thin blue line flag on his truck, he is trying to express his specific desire for the police, to murder blacks

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DELETE CASCADE
Oct 25, 2017

i haven't washed my penis since i jerked it to a phtotograph of george w. bush in 2003
yeah, expected counterpoint: respect for institutions has nothing to do with it, the guy is just flying the flag of his favorite murder gang

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