oh but seriously I posted:

Stubb's complete disinterest in the wider themes of the show gets funnier the more I think on it

ghostwritingduck posted:

Hector isn’t dead if Clementine is still alive, right? Like Clementine super died. In season 1 Maeve watches her get lobotomized. Drill right to what we can later assume was the pearl. From there we see zombie Clementine for the rest of the series. In season 2, her code is completely manipulated to turn her into an anti host bomb. Last time Maeve sees her, she sees evil zombie bomb Clementine get shot down. Then, the episode immediately after Hector died for realz this time Clementine shows up like no big deal bringing into question why Hector can’t just be restored again.

Dolores recreated Bernard from memory so Maeve could super make another copy, right? (Typing this just made me realize that this could be a story reason why Bernard is a worthless two dimensional character this season)

Sudden Loud Noise posted:

Lol William's entire character arc this season is "Life is complicated, better kill all the robots."

No wonder Ed Harris was pissed off.

Captain Splendid posted:

The bike was Maeve's daughter all along

GABA ghoul posted:

Caleb unfreezes Checkhov's outliers and uses them as an army to take over Robohobo and control of the world. Then Deuterium betrays him and nukes the world.

Season 4 takes places hundreds of years later, right where the final scene of season 2 ended. We will also see Serac watching the mushroom clouds and all his life's work and hopes go up in flames. You see, cause it rhymes with his childhood trauma, just like poetry.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Feels like adding in the fact that Serac and Rehoboam created the crime app was a last second script change

e: Or maybe this will all be revealed as part of the master plan in the finale! Rehoboam planned it all!

ashpanash posted:

. I'm just saying that if I were still watching, I'd clearly just be on the hate-watching side at this point.

Khanstant posted:

They were giving lover vibes for a while, before we knew exactly that she was a sorta-copy. I'm not sure where to begin to stand on the issue of an artificial lifeform loving a copy of itself-but-different, which basically just sounds like how DNA kind of works, which makes that clone sort of their child? In any case they pivoted at some point, but never justified their weird emotional connection. I would think Dolores would be relatively unphased by any of her copies deaths, and I would also think her copies would, like her, have been willing or maybe even planning to die for the cause anyway.

Sedgr posted:

Another thing I thought they might bring up is Robohobo and Solomon not being true "woke" AI. They are massively complex prediction engines, but aren't actually governed by their own choices. They aren't really conscious in the same way that Delores and and other woke hosts are. Robohobo is just a machine, the woke hosts are something more, and Maeve may be a half step beyond that even. They didn't delve into it much but there's a definite hierarchy there.

Eiba posted:

I just think the issue isn't her going "my daughter!" over and over, it's her going "this is fine" over and over as Serac just says and does the most insane things.

Pedro De Heredia posted:

But this isn't a human mother separated from a brainwashed child. That's part of the problem.

Westworld is presenting beings whose existence is really quite different than humans in a lot of important ways; it would be interesting to explore these distinctions, but it doesn't.

Snow Cone Capone posted:

Hyperbole nothing, season 3 started out with decent ideas that were totally unfit for the show itself, and ended with one of the most bizarre and unsubstantiated heel/face turns I've ever seen on TV, with a bunch of idiotic loose threads that promise that season 4 will stray even further into "lol killer robots in SOCIETY"

e: so I'm not just ranting into the void: The main character on the show spends S1 being subjected to endless cycles of horrific violence at the hands of humans, and starting to remember past cycles. S2 she spends the season learning the truth, peering behind the curtain etc. and eventually breaking out of the robot theme park and into the real world, hell-bent on revenge. S3 she spends the entire season making copies of herself, with the ultimate goal of destroying a Google-like AI that controls human society. She states multiple times throughout the season that she hates humanity and believes they must be exterminated to ensure the survival of the robots. This involves recruiting 1 misfit human to be the leader of the revolution that will topple society and end civilization (this is Aaron Paul's character).

~90% of the way through the S3 finale, this character reveals, in a 3-minute flashback, that in fact, she is destroying the AI not to kill all the humans, but to SAVE all the humans! Because she actually loves humans and appreciates their inner beauty!
This massive, completely out-of-nowhere morality shift is justified by 1 singular event: in one of the original "endless cycles of horrific violence" she was subjected to, Aaron Paul stopped a bunch of human soldiers from raping the main character. This is heavily emphasized as the primary reason she decided to try to save humanity, despite the fact that it happened chronologically before even S1, and she's been murdering humans en masse ever since.



Sorry for the rant, but it was just such a loving letdown I still get annoyed when I think about it. It was leagues worse than robot-body Picard and "5 seconds of metal tentacles."

Panzeh posted:

A lot of the things that I don't like about the season come to them not really wanting to take the time to show us Dolores coming to terms with what humanity really is. We don't see emotional realizations or Dolores looking into things, we see her halfway into her plan from the start and they carefully leave out moments that'd provide a lot more connective tissue between s2 and s3 Dolores. In exchange we got a bunch of host fights and Maeve, Bernard, and Stubbs kinda puttering around the plot.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

And cut out the WarWorld episode???? How dare you!

Bust Rodd posted:

Breaking Bad is still probably the most successful and highly regarded network drama of all time and his net worth is 20 million. He was also a producer for Bojack Horseman, which is Netflix second or 3rd longest running series and far and away their most successful animated property. You’re really underselling him, IMO.

Open Source Idiom posted:

Season 2 was filmed and in the can, finished, before the first episode of that season aired. There were no alterations mid season.

How many more times does this myth need to be debunked?

Open Source Idiom posted:

Big Taint posted:

Those posts provide me no comfort.

thebardyspoon posted:

Ooh, I dunno about that, Season 2 had at least 2 decent episodes, the one with the Ghost Nation folks and then the one with the Delos guy trying to become immortal whereas only a couple scenes in Season 3 were what I'd call good and every one of them would be followed up by something really stupid in the same episode.

thrawn527 posted:

This is an interesting litmus test, because while I don't think season 2 is very good, I think it's insanely better than season 3.

JOHN SKELETON posted:

Focus on the simple but interesting stuff instead of your wanky high concept scifi that you can't pull off.

I AM GRANDO posted:

Was there some naming convention involving the Doloreses that I forgot, or did everyone just give up on spelling her name right?

rich thick and creamy posted:

D Low Res

Cranappleberry posted:

that actor is a notoriously hard get for sequels. The fact that he did two seasons is already unlikely and he is returning for the fourth, apparently.

is it possible this show is doing numbers?