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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Jesus, narrating the Benoit episode for Jericho must have been tough

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Cavauro posted:

I didn't know Chris Benoit was literally not functioning any longer as soon as Eddie Guerrero died but I sure wish he had been able and willing to get help for it.

On the RAW is Eddie they panned to Benoit and the guy was ugly crying during the 10 bell salute. I think Victor Mar (another close friend, a liaison for NJPW ) also passed around the same time. Guy was a wreck.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Benne posted:

Wrestlers doing their moves in bed has got to be one of the worst-kept secrets out there

Oh god Orton's poor wife

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Dell_Zincht posted:

I mean the best move has to be a sit out powerbomb, right?

Stretch muffler

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

davidbix posted:

And even if you throw that out, JBL went up to him right as the interview was about to start and asked "...you don't think he killed the boy, do you?"

I don't doubt this but where'd this come from ? It's news to me.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Animal-Mother posted:

Benoit was my favorite wrestler. :smith:

I stopped watching for a while after that. Not to be all "And I don't know how to accept that" about it, it just took any joy out of wrestling for a while. Eddy passing was brutal too (he's my favorite wrestler, and I'm not trying to be funny).

TheKingslayer posted:

Saturn's story breaks my heart. As a little wrestling fan I thought he was super cool and did a ton of sweet moves. It was bitter sweet when he showed back up years ago. Sweet he was back but awful to hear what he went through. He stayed alive for his dog though :unsmith:

Saturn would be an indy darling now. Badass with a unique look and a great moveset? Oh yeah.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
I won't be watching the Benoit one for emotional reasons (grief issues of my own), but is the Moolah episode worth watching? I watched the Gino episode and agree it flowed strangely. I also felt the end was kinda weird, his mom just kinda accepted the explanations she got then decided to have a margarita?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

DeathChicken posted:

Yeah, that was the one where New Jack basically said "I was trying to kill this guy and I messed up"

There's also

quote:

I cut the poo poo out that white boy

Regarding Mass Transit.

New Jack doesn't do remorse.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

from what I understand, essentially he's only like this if you actively piss him off. Mass Transit was a literal untrained rando who decided to talk a huge amount of poo poo to New Jack right before their match. the Danbury Fall was Vic Grimes' fault and nearly killed New Jack, so he got mad as gently caress and returned the favor. Gypsy Joe just straight up no-sold everything New Jack tried to do in order to "teach him a lesson in hardcore," and you saw the end result of that upthread.

meanwhile, if you just hit your poo poo when you're supposed to, sell for him when you're supposed to, and don't actively try to get him mad at you, he's a totally fine worker who comes cheap, gets big pops from anyone who knows him at all, and puts on reasonably good garbage matches.

Transit just asked Jack to blade him, no poo poo talking to my knowledge

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

bebaloorpabopalo posted:

it happens mostly when you're wrestling every night and blading every night. the cuts are superficial and heal pretty quick usually without scarring but if you constantly re-open them you'll get scar tissue buildup and suddenly you can hold quarters in your forehead slots

Abdullah the Butcher's grooves from blading are so deep he can wedge a poker chip in the groove and use his forehead muscles to pop the chip out

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

KungFu Grip posted:

This is funny because New Jack hates Abdullah, mostly for right reasons, but also because he claims Abby's forehead isn't legit like his and is body modifications.

I've seen maybe 5 Abby matches, and the only one I've seen where he didn't blade was him squashing someone.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Very interested in the Schultz episode, Heath McCoy's stampede book made him sound like a loon and a victim all at once

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Apr 4, 2021

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Ganso Bomb posted:

I really have no concept of Herb Abrams and the UWF. I've always heard the names bounced around but I didn't grow up with it and never did any research on it. Would I be better served to wait for this episode to come out, or should I prep with these videos folks have posted?

Imagine if the flamboyant car salesman archetype had a coke habit, money to burn and a wrestling promotion

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Aku posted:

I didn't think the episode was that bad, but I wish they talked about Bart's time in Japan to show that he did bounce back from the incident.

The only thing I really hated was the Russo/Cornette slapfight because I'm just sick of it. JR summed it up perfectly, they'll never get along because they're opposite ends of the spectrum. They should've left it there instead of giving Cornette time to cut another loving promo.

OTOH, giving Jim time to poo poo on the one person he's 100% right about could be a lot worse

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

MorrisBae posted:

I'd like to think Bart sat idly by, sipping a cocktail, while Shawn Michaels got his rear end kicked by a bunch of marines

From everything I've heard a LOT of guys would have, HBK used to have nuclear heat with the boys.

Always found it kinda funny that of all people, Davey Boy Smith was the one who stepped in before it got manslaughter-y

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

davidbix posted:

Given Martha's involvement, I highly doubt that.

Jericho too, he loving idolized Owen

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Zombie Lemur posted:

I didn't find this episode to be particularly "dark", but it was entertaining.

In a lot of ways Stossel was a precursor to the smug, gotcha pseudo intellectualism that infests the internet today.

Stossel is basically a less shouty, libertarian Bill O'Reilly.

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Apr 29, 2020

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
I've never liked Stossel. This did not help.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

sportsgenius86 posted:

It would be cool if Stossel somehow ended up in a room with New Jack for like an hour

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9mvTNh-plY

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

MorrisBae posted:

Sam Roberts had the producers on his podcast yesterday, and they said Chris Jericho and Lance Storm watched UWF Beach Brawl together in 1991 using an illegal cable box, but there was no sound on the PPV feed. So they recorded their own live drunken commentary for the show, and Lance still has the audio cassette somewhere at his house. I guess Jericho has been yelling at him to find it.

Jericho also told them his Nitro debut was at Manatee Civic Center, and that whole afternoon he was walking around marking out saying "I AM ON THE HALLOWED GROUND OF BEACH BRAWL"

I cannot process the idea of Lance being drunk

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Dango Bango posted:

Holy poo poo - according to Martha on the WOR podcast, WWE sued the clip manufacturer after finding out they had $50M in insurance coverage. Martha had them dismissed from her lawsuit because she didn't believe they were at fault.

They didn't sue the harness or rope manufacturers - just the one with the big policy.

A while ago there was a thread with the subheading "There is always more and it is always worse ".

Feel like that applies to WWE.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

DeathChicken posted:

Trump's far more of a coward. You push Vince enough and the mask starts dropping, if his interviews are any indication.

Or sometimes his inner bully comes out by itself, just ask Bob Costas

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Eat My Fuc posted:

It's a great series, my partner who only started watching wrestling around the time of Becky Lynch's rise really loves it. It really turns you on to a bunch of stories that wrestling fans take for granted as common knowledge, and even long time fans like me have learned some things.

It has a small unfortunate side effect of making Cornette look a lot better than who he really is, but I don't really see the need to pop that bubble, they're never going to be listening to Cornette's show anyway.

Jim's actually super knowledgeable. He just happens to be a lovely person.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Perro Jr would probably be worth an episode

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Dimebags Brain posted:

That one Canadian wrestler who accidentally bombed a police station while trying to blow-up the strip club next to it.

Bruiser Bedlam!

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Pope Corky the IX posted:

They could do a Jake the Snake one that begins with Grizzly Smith and includes Robin and ends with his recent AEW appearances after DDP saving his life.

The Netflix doc sorta makes it redundant

I think an episode on Dynamite Kid might be in order , though.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Pope Corky the IX posted:

Ah, I didn't realize there was one.

I was also thinking about two episodes on the Rockers and how their careers continued afterwards.

I recommend watching it, it's good. Room might get dusty, though.


poo poo, a Jannetty episode alone is 100% feasible.

Some other ideas for an episode:

Perry Saturn (his odyssey from the Mike Bell incident to the robbery to being located after going missing)
The Iron Sheik (losing his daughter basically drove him insane)
Raven (dude almost died because of substance abuse twice)
Jimmy Savile (this might be redundant to UK residents but it'd be interesting to people not in the know)
Messiah (dude's boss/promoter had him assaulted so viciously it ended up on AMW)


Hell, you could probably do an episode similar to the Herb Abrams one on Rob Black.

Or Rob Feinstein.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Ganso Bomb posted:

Kanyon would be a great episode.

JR would be a pretty good episode, too, for all of the terrible poo poo he dealt with in WWE.

There definitely need to be some "racism in wrestling" episodes but I don't know how you break those down and how you fit all of the stuff into one episode for each topic.

You could probably do a two parter on the WCW discrimination lawsuit and use the Watts stuff as background info. Then if it gets the kind of viewership you want, do other isolated incidents, maybe l?

Kanyon is a great idea. Also wanna nominate Raven as a future narrator.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Red posted:

Is there a checklist of everything?

- Vince and Kurt wrestling, and Vince telling the stewardess the pilot could gently caress off
- Brock and Perfect wrestling and slamming into the door
- Goldust drunkenly serenading Terri
- Goldust informing stewardess "You and I are gonna gently caress."
- Flair, in his robe, flashing the stewardesses and ended up cornering them and forcing them to grab his junk
- JBL/Hayes confrontation where JBL was all bloody
- Hayes got drunk, confused the bathroom with Linda McMahon, and had his ponytail cut by Waltman
- Scott Hall drank himself unconscious and had to be wheeled off the plane

The ponytail got taped to a wall at the next taping too, I think?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Hedgehog Pie posted:

Who was even penalised for it, just Hall and Perfect? Did Flair's antics have anything to do with him being removed as the top heel authority figure on Raw, or was that going to happen anyway?

Looking forward to the new season, though yeah, the Smith episode is going to be absolute misery.

I skipped the Benoit episode, I'll probably skip the Smith one

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Have you folks been watching the Confidential episodes? They're kinda interesting...also one of the producers keeps wearing Nancy Sullivan sweatshirts.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
I was watching a video about hosed up stuff that happened on live TV, and it mentioned Bruno Sammartino having a match with a guy who died in the ring after Bruno scoop slammed him. Seems like a possible episode.

I'd actually never heard about this before.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Vince MechMahon posted:

How did a guy get into the ring in such bad shape he died from a slam? Wasn't the sports commission actually doing poo poo back then, too?

Well, he had a heart attack during the slam. But we don't know if poor health or some hereditary condition was the cause. He was also 46

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Red posted:

Was Tenryu's WAR promotion connected at all?

I've seen Tenryu implied to be connected a few times, so quite possible

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Armitage posted:

I wonder if the rate things are going, that we're going to see a Dark Side of the Ring episode based on Drake Wuertz.

His descent makes me sad. I used to really like him. His guerilla warfare match with Sami Callihan for a title shot is my favorite PWG match and the subsequent title match he had with Adam Cole was also really good.

I think it's only a matter of time before a Teddy Hart episode. Joey Ryan, also.

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 16:39 on Apr 28, 2021

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Hopefully, they can confirm that New Jack got paid for an XPW show with porno and dildos.

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El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

the escape goat posted:

considering how slaphappy Joey is with lawsuits, I imagine they're keepin' some distance on that for now.

Yeah, that makes sense.

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