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surc
Aug 17, 2004

If you win first round, buy up. Their $ is going to be poo poo, and they either full save after the loss (usual) and you get a second round, or they force up and you have better gear than them and their economy is tanked 3rd round (assuming you win).

The downside isn't that big if you lose round two, it's 1-1 and you're on a save one round. Worst case you save and roll into round four 1-2 on a full buy. If you play smart you can take a couple rifles from them on the 1-1 either just out of their hands by killing, or into your hands by killing + picking up and saving.

The upside if you win is you're up 2-0 and they're using all their money to buy rifles in a round that you could still win out with on spectres/mustang/shotguns+ a couple possible rifle buys. Even if you lose against the rifles, you're 2-1 and on a buy, and hopefully you did some damage to their econ with a few frags too.


E: In general if you win a round, you buy up. You want to keep winning, not play to lose slower.

surc fucked around with this message at 15:04 on May 18, 2020

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surc
Aug 17, 2004

Tetramin posted:

E: to above poster, I think op is saying it’s dumb that even if your team wins rounds 1 and 2, but have a few people die on round 2, you’re gonna be on a kinda poo poo buy round 3 even tho you’re up 2-0.

This is actually really good and cool because otherwise you win the first 2 rounds and if the other team forced round 2 (with worse gear than you can afford with your win from round 1), you basically get to go like 4-0 to start the game guaranteed, which means buying after pistol loss is never a reasonable option, which means you guaranteed that 2-0 at least if you get pistol pretty much and limits things people can do to try and come back, and gives a super strong advantage to whoever wins pistol.

surc fucked around with this message at 15:10 on May 18, 2020

surc
Aug 17, 2004

Yeah there's a lot of situational stuff that impacts it, but unless you're playing in a tournament or high level comp against consistent teams or something, you should be safe treating the rule as just "team always buys up after you win a round".

E: Just remember that your team as a whole, and you specifically, are better than the other team no matter what the score is and play accordingly :) (This isn't just aim-specific. If you keep losing a duel, then stop loving peeking and play smarter than them, which you are)

E2: vvvvv Ah yeah, didn't think to call this out specifically but -- people should definitely be dropping/upgrading for their team if that's not happening. That's the kind of situation I meant with the eco weapons + a couple rifle buys scenario, or if nobody dies maybe one or two people upgrade anyway if they had a shotty instead of a spectre or whatever and somebody got enough kills to buy a rifle.

surc fucked around with this message at 15:43 on May 18, 2020

surc
Aug 17, 2004

Herstory Begins Now posted:

It's not even especially useful as a wall because it has so little hp. It's 3 shotgun shots, a handful of knife hits, or about one mag from the ARs and you're through.

:confused:

It delays being able to push something, denies visibility, requires spamming a full* clip at or not having a gun out to break while making a bunch of noise, and often funnels people through a smaller entrance meaning you have less angles to hold if they do break through. That's.... extremely useful.

E: oh hobbes made the same point, that's what I get for leaving my post sitting.

surc fucked around with this message at 20:58 on May 22, 2020

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