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The_Raven
Jul 2, 2004

Upon this a question arises: whether it be better to be loved than feared or feared than loved?
HEY GUISE WHATS GOIN ON IN THIS THREAD

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Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


The_Raven posted:

HEY GUISE WHATS GOIN ON IN THIS THREAD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jBcpvaV_gY

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



Goon Boots posted:

Good find. I spent a bit of time trying to search for it on my own but couldn't find it. Here are some interesting corvidmations I found on the way.








https://i.imgur.com/Y8CwB99.mp4

these two own

worst ever at ping-pong
Jun 11, 2010


Someone post the crows that solve water pressure puzzles by dropping rocks in one end to raise up bobbing food in the other end tia

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


worst ever at ping-pong posted:

Someone post the crows that solve water pressure puzzles by dropping rocks in one end to raise up bobbing food in the other end tia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGaUM_OngaY

ynohtna
Feb 16, 2007

backwoods compatible
Illegal Hen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZerUbHmuY04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbSu2PXOTOc&t=41s

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


The critically endangered Alala is very smart


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOUyrtWeW4Q


It also has a really funny call

Yet another victim of colonialism...

bollig
Apr 7, 2006

Never Forget.
Crows are dope. I've been living in this city for like 8 years now and the crow population has absolutely exploded. My theory is that more people are letting their cats out, thus eating smaller birds, thus creating less competition for the same resources. It's quite astounding how many there are and I love it.

Anyway, I would love to have the crows on my side, so I guess the thing to do would be to just go for a walk and feed them every day. Is there preferred food peanuts? Unshelled?

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


bollig posted:

Crows are dope. I've been living in this city for like 8 years now and the crow population has absolutely exploded. My theory is that more people are letting their cats out, thus eating smaller birds, thus creating less competition for the same resources. It's quite astounding how many there are and I love it.

Anyway, I would love to have the crows on my side, so I guess the thing to do would be to just go for a walk and feed them every day. Is there preferred food peanuts? Unshelled?

peanuts in the shell are recommended by Marzluff, a UW corvid specialist

unsalted is preferable

bollig
Apr 7, 2006

Never Forget.

Mr. Lobe posted:

peanuts in the shell are recommended by Marzluff, a UW corvid specialist

unsalted is preferable

is this because other birds are too loving stupid/weak to get through the shell, thus the crows get them?

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Mr. Lobe posted:

When I lived in Seattle, I worked at a lab at UW that was about a 15 minute walk away from my apartment. At some point during my 3 year stay in that city I started feeding crows peanuts in the shell, and while they were reluctant at first, 5 or so months of patient entreaty earned me a the attention a group of birds that began to number in the dozens every time I left my home or the lab where I worked during daylight hours. Instead of merely collecting the peanuts that I had dropped in their presence after I cleared enough distance between them and myself, they began to actively follow me when I stepped outdoors and into their territory, sometimes even snatching from midair the nuts I tossed for them.

As endearing as I found them, in time I had to start walking through backstreets, alleys, and other unusual paths in order to avoid intimidating people with the mob of crows that followed me so closely. They would sometimes even menace people who crossed my path, swooping down at them to drive them away. And though I enjoyed the company of these scoundrels, I must have spent 40 dollars in peanuts on them every month to make sure I was never in short supply. I have never been much for pet ownership, but this particular relationship with animals suited me well. I never had to clean up after them, and on the occasions that I had to leave the city, I could be confident they could take care of themselves without me.

While I question whether they ever truly held for me any fondness in their little hearts or if they just saw me as a peculiar food dispenser, among them were particularly bold specimens who, on rare occasion, would land on shoulder-height walls and ledges, and permit me to extend out an offering which at times they would take directly from my hand. To know those particular birds had such trust for me felt like an accomplishment, like a communion with a wild intelligence that saw fit to abide my company, even if on mercenary terms.

ok fine i will goodmine the thread eventually

you had to go and post amazing poo poo like this!!

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
i wish i was a corvid

pros:
i would be smart
i could eat roadkill without being JUDGED by HATERS

cons
None

sweet thursday
Sep 16, 2012

In Cold Lake, Alberta the crows are giant and waddle around like chubby dogs.
https://youtu.be/HAxo3MFgFTY

I had to pee on the way home from a camping trip. Walked out with McDonald's takeout. Almost died in the parking lot.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Squizzle posted:

ok fine i will goodmine the thread eventually

you had to go and post amazing poo poo like this!!

Haha, thank you, if you liked that, maybe I will tell another story.

My first personal encounter with the crows of Seattle began some time in the middle months of spring a handful of years ago, early in May or late in April. I had just moved to the part of University District to the west of UW, and was soon to begin work on the projects that drew me to that city in the first place. Taking advantage of the free time I had until then, I began scouting the area surrounding my new home. One day I wandered across a bridge which passed over the narrow section of lake that separates university territory in the north from the more urban portions of the city to the south. In the residential buffer between those two districts, I came across a crow laying low in the section of grass between the sidewalk and the street. Its eyes were bright and it seemed to be attentive to its environment, but it made no effort to move away from me as I approached it. Knowing little of the ways of crows and concerned that it might be injured, I came closer to see if there was anything visibly wrong with it.

What I did not realize at that time was that this was fledgling season, and it is fairly common for the juvenile crows that make their first attempts at flight to become unnested. When they are vulnerable on the ground, they are watched closely by elder members of their clans who, as I would quickly discover, call an alert when potential threats approach. Understandably, the hulking primate hunched over to inspect their young in a curious stupor most definitely qualified as a cause for alarm. So as I observed the bird for obvious signs of injury, from the branches of surrounding trees, one calling crow became two, and two became a chorus of tens. The mass of birds that now occupied the branches above were alternating between shouting me down, committing my face to their memory, and diving down at my head. Recognizing that there was nothing to accomplish in that situation, I briskly walked back across the bridge I came from, only stopping to look back at the unnested child, whose calm demeanor betrayed no concern as its elders carried on their assault on me.

For some time after that incident, certain crows would cry an alarm when they saw me, which meant I would need to leave the area quickly if I did not want to be attacked. The story of my efforts to gain their trust was in part an attempt to make amends to these birds that had built such a strong grudge against me. As that story indicates, despite my turbulent introduction to these crows, in the fullness of time they would soon become quite attached to me, though I will never know if my sentimentality for them was in any way reciprocated. It did not need to be, I do not love them because I expect them to love me back. I love them because they are marvelous, spiteful, brilliant creatures into which I easily project so much of myself.

Though I am not in the habit of telling stories with morals, I advise any readers to consider the following warnings:

1. If you see an unnested fledgling, avoid it. Cross the street, choose another route if you must, but do not approach. It is being watched, and your assistance is not wanted.

2. If you do something to earn the anger of crows, do not turn your face to them. For instance, do not, in stupid sentimentality, attempt to appeal your case to them in human words! All you will accomplish is giving them visual data for future hostile encounters.

3. Even a crow may forgive its enemies. But forgiveness not come easily, and demands commitment and consistent sacrifice.

These are difficult times, and I do not know what the future holds for me, or anyone I hold dear in that city. But I know the crows will be alright. I hope I get to see them again one day.

Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Apr 3, 2020

Dustcat
Jan 26, 2019

sweet thursday posted:

In Cold Lake, Alberta the crows are giant and waddle around like chubby dogs.
https://youtu.be/HAxo3MFgFTY

I had to pee on the way home from a camping trip. Walked out with McDonald's takeout. Almost died in the parking lot.

ha ha look at this crow with a broken wing trying to get away from me, don't forget to like and subscribe to whatever the gently caress dolynny tv is

what is wrong with you

sweet thursday
Sep 16, 2012

There's giant, waddling crows in this world. Don't attack me for it.

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




bollig posted:

Crows are dope. I've been living in this city for like 8 years now and the crow population has absolutely exploded. My theory is that more people are letting their cats out, thus eating smaller birds, thus creating less competition for the same resources. It's quite astounding how many there are and I love it.

Anyway, I would love to have the crows on my side, so I guess the thing to do would be to just go for a walk and feed them every day. Is there preferred food peanuts? Unshelled?

it could be even simpler than that: maybe they told one another it is a nice place to live, as a crow. that happens. not joking. sometimes crow populations will grow because word gets out that a place is nice and crows will move in

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Sharkie posted:

i wish i was a corvid

pros:
i would be smart
i could eat roadkill without being JUDGED by HATERS

cons
None

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Also no haters to tell me black clothing is 'just a phase'

Bert Roberge
Nov 28, 2003

https://twitter.com/berrycroft_hub/status/1245444737361940480

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

This was a good crow story

https://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-06/how-crows-recognize-individual-humans-warn-others-and-are-basically-smarter-you/

quote:

The corvid family--a widespread group of birds made up most prominently of crows, ravens, and magpies--are no ordinary birds, with a brain-to-body-weight ratio and cognitive abilities equal to apes and dolphins. This excerpt, from the great new book Gifts of the Crow: How Perception, Emotion, and Thought Allow Smart Birds to Behave Like Humans_, by John M. Marzluff and Tony Angell, details an experiment in which students and faculty at the University of Washington tried to discover if crows can recognize individual humans--and what they'd do with that information._

A couple of days before Valentine's Day 2006, students and professor donned grotesque masks—bold, heavily browed, reddish-orange cavemen—and captured seven crows on the University of Washington's campus. They tagged the ensnared crows with standard plastic and metal bracelets like those we had fit onto Light Blue, Dark Blue's legs and released them after only a few minutes. On Valentine's Day John slipped into his Dick Cheney face and strolled across campus looking for crows to record their reactions. He found nine birds, and while one seemed a bit anxious and flew off calling, the others basically ignored him. The students were more reactive, as being Dick Cheney on a liberal college campus wasn't easy, but from the crows' perspectives Dick was just an average Joe.

The local crows screamed, dove, and followed anyone wearing a mask of Scott.Two days later, John left the Cheney mask in the lab and morphed once again into the caveman. He stepped outside his office building at 11:07, eager to learn whether the crows would remember the face of the man who had captured them earlier in the week. At 11:15, he found a crow near the student union building and began to approach. Immediately the bird flew into a tree and gave a series of harsh calls, flicked its tail, and stared directly down at him. This scolding behavior, identical to how these rowdy birds typically address their natural predators, quickly attracted a second bird. The pair now cautiously eyed John and issued a real tongue lashing. The first scolding bird was unbanded—John had never even handled this aggressive beast. But the second bird wore bands, signaling that it had personally met the caveman a few days earlier. This bird had good reason to scold—the caveman was a proven threat. But the first bird could have known only secondhand about the dangerous caveman. Perhaps she had seen us catch and band her colleague. John continued his walk and in total encountered thirty-one crows, three of whom scolded him.

The first run of the experiment was a success. At least three birds recognized and harassed the dangerous caveman. In contrast, none responded to the caveman prior to trapping, and none responded to the "control" face of Dick Cheney, who had never directly participated in trapping. We repeated these initial tests with similar results over the next year. We even recruited other students to run the tests for us. We wanted to make sure it wasn't just our imagination or perhaps the way we approached the crows that made them scold the caveman and ignore the vice president. We set the students loose on campus with masks and notebooks. Their results confirmed ours in every aspect: the crows scolded the caveman, not Cheney; many of the scolding birds were unbanded; and it was the face that triggered the ire of the crows.

We have continued and expanded our initial investigations. In addition to the caveman on campus, we have now confirmed other crows' abilities to discriminate dangerous from neutral faces in four new settings. And we have done so using masks molded from our friends' faces—ordinary men and women faces much less distinct than the caveman's. In downtown Seattle for example, our friend Scott's face was used during trapping. As with our campus experiment, the local crows screamed, dove, and followed anyone wearing his mask while ignoring those wearing any of the other five masks.

In rural Maltby, Vivian was the trapper. There she was scolded while Scott and the others were more or less ignored.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bJzN6N1rJk

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


https://i.imgur.com/9yPCOAt.mp4

Siljmonster
Dec 16, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I say hello to every crow

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOkj7lJpeoc

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


Siljmonster posted:

I say hello to every crow

:same: lol

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


also ravens

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


i want the corvids to know im friendly and safe to keep as a circus freak after they take over the earth

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000
Probation
Can't post for 4 days!
Ultra Carp

:stare:

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




ooooohh jeremy corvid

spckr
Aug 3, 2014

here we go
crows good

cool dance moves
Aug 27, 2018


I thought grackles were corvids but it turns out they're not which makes me kinda sad because corvids rule but I like grackles too


:crow::crow:

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
e: I should look up

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
Dan Aykroyd is a member of the corvid family, widely considered to be the smartest of birds.

Zvahl
Oct 14, 2005

научный кот

Mister Speaker posted:

Dan Aykroyd is a member of the corvid family, widely considered to be the smartest of birds.

Crowse Pointe Blank

bollig
Apr 7, 2006

Never Forget.

Squizzle posted:

it could be even simpler than that: maybe they told one another it is a nice place to live, as a crow. that happens. not joking. sometimes crow populations will grow because word gets out that a place is nice and crows will move in

yeah I can definitely believe this

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Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




it was an adventure, this thread of corvids. it will now be preserved for all eternity in the goodmine

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