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We're gonna keep building the Wall under a Biden administration. https://twitter.com/BoKnowsNews/status/1261074479767117826
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May 26, 2020 19:57
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all this poo poo and i'm still pessimistic about biden's chances what a world
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Jun 1, 2020 20:53
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Patware posted:all this poo poo and i'm still pessimistic about biden's chances I'm torn on whether he doesn't actually want to win, or whether he's just so out of touch/mental faculties failing that he's actually trying but this is the best he's got.
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Jun 1, 2020 21:02
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Patware posted:all this poo poo and i'm still pessimistic about biden's chances I always come back to the same thought - even if he does win, he's not going to do a drat thing to fix the things that people are rioting about. And having a Democrat in charge will make it easier for comfortable liberals to sweep those problems under the rug. So yeah, given what we're seeing right now, I no longer have any doubt that Biden would be worse than Trump.
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Jun 1, 2020 21:11
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congrats on forcing my hand on the biden thing because we can't have progress if we no longer have elections
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Jun 2, 2020 15:38
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the campaign really took the long way around on this one huh
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Jun 2, 2020 15:42
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surely Joe can't bungle this https://twitter.com/mviser/status/1270032980556353538?s=20 more diverse death squads Proud Christian Mom fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jun 8, 2020 |
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Jun 8, 2020 18:14
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reminds me of community policing in Afghanistan where dudes just try and tell you this other dude they don't like is taliban
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Jun 8, 2020 19:00
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Hey since the CE thread is on pause why don't you brain geniuses tell us more about how the guy who spent a lifetime backing one GOP policy after another will suddenly stop doing that
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Jun 11, 2020 22:49
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You're allowed to like Biden anywhere, but if you dislike Biden or mention literally anything about his actual policy history you can only post it here, it's the rules
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Jun 11, 2020 23:05
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Best Friends posted:You're allowed to like Biden anywhere, but if you dislike Biden or mention literally anything about his actual policy history you can only post it here, it's the rules Don't be dense. This situation is exactly like copchat used to be. You cannot have a worthwhile current events thread when 90% of it is a handful of people yelling at each other about biden sucking. This is the thread for bitching about him. I don't want to vote for biden. I don't like him as a candidate or as a person. I think he's been on the wrong side of history over and over again, and I think he will do nothing to actually move the country in a progressive fashion. Biden does nothing to stave off the inevitable collapse of America.
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Jun 11, 2020 23:30
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I'll believe that when I see VVG flip out on someone saying "happy to vote for Biden" in the CE thread. To me it seems obviously a safe space for centrists but I'd be happy to be disproved.
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Jun 11, 2020 23:37
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I'll give you that closing the thread in a huff was very much a needlessly dickish move.
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Jun 11, 2020 23:58
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Dude the CE thread is in no way centrist or a Biden hugbox, don't take it from me take it from Stupid Bernie over there <-- Also imo putting the thread on timeout for what like 45 minutes was a better option than giving anyone a sixer.
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Jun 12, 2020 00:06
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Best Friends posted:To me it seems obviously a safe space for centrists but I'd be happy to be disproved. what do you think a centrist is
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Jun 12, 2020 00:28
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Patware posted:what do you think a centrist is Anyone to the right of Lenin.
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Jun 12, 2020 00:41
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Republicans want to shift things right. The leftward edge of the dems and all those to their left want to move things leftward. If you think the system is basically fine I'd qualify that as centrism, and that describes most of the democratic party. This is why most mainline Dem proposals are about tax credits and minor regulatory adjustments - the system is fundamentally fine, just some dials need minor adjustments. Or, as Biden himself put it: quote:“Remember, I got in trouble with some of the people on my team, on the Democratic side, because I said, you know, what I’ve found is rich people are just as patriotic as poor people. Not a joke. I mean, we may not want to demonize anybody who’s made money,” Biden told about 100 well-dressed donors at the Carlyle Hotel on New York’s Upper East Side, where the hors d’oeuvres included lobster, chicken satay and crudites. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-19/biden-tells-elite-donors-he-doesn-t-want-to-demonize-the-rich
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Jun 12, 2020 04:45
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Patware posted:what do you think a centrist is People who say things like this: Godholio posted:Anyone to the right of Lenin.
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Jun 12, 2020 04:47
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Best Friends posted:Republicans want to shift things right. The leftward edge of the dems and all those to their left want to move things leftward. If you think the system is basically fine I'd qualify that as centrism, and that describes most of the democratic party. This is why most mainline Dem proposals are about tax credits and minor regulatory adjustments - the system is fundamentally fine, just some dials need minor adjustments. ok but you were referring to the CE thread posters and i don't think a single man jack in there thinks the system is anything approaching fine yes, the dems are centrist, if not center right, yes, biden loving blows rear end and i'm right there with you, i had a big rear end hopeless post in this very thread, but calling the CE thread a centrist safe space is ludicrous
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Jun 12, 2020 04:55
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Fister Roboto posted:People who say things like this:  I don't pretend to be a socialist leaning liberal to fit in, you're correct.
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Jun 12, 2020 05:17
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Best Friends posted:Republicans want to shift things right. The leftward edge of the dems and all those to their left want to move things leftward. If you think the system is basically fine I'd qualify that as centrism, and that describes most of the democratic party. This is why most mainline Dem proposals are about tax credits and minor regulatory adjustments - the system is fundamentally fine, just some dials need minor adjustments. I'm sorry what's the issue with this statement? Is it that he doesn't share your bloodlust? Cause I thought "the rich have plenty of money and we can take a whole lot of their money to pay for poo poo without it even really hurting them" was the left's talking point *checks notes* like two months ago. I swear this forum would push me right if I don't keep all the dipshit right wingers I served with on my Facebook to remind me just how much worse that are. I hated Biden in the primaries, I voted for Bernie, but the absolutely ludicrous attacks people make on him here are actually making me like him because of how bug-gently caress dumb they are it occludes his actual faults.
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Jun 12, 2020 05:33
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The issue is that "not demonizing the rich" means "don't take a single penny from them ever". If you don't understand that then you really haven't been paying attention.
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Jun 12, 2020 06:06
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Fister Roboto posted:The issue is that "not demonizing the rich" means "don't take a single penny from them ever". If you don't understand that then you really haven't been paying attention. I guess if you substitute what he said for your own made up version
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Jun 12, 2020 06:22
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Sorry for having basic pattern recognition I guess.
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Jun 12, 2020 06:35
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Fister Roboto posted:So yeah, given what we're seeing right now, I no longer have any doubt that Biden would be worse than Trump. 
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Jun 12, 2020 07:20
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I stand by what I said. These protests would not have nearly as much popular support if a Democrat was president (see: the Ferguson protests under Obama). Biden and the people who support him just want to go back to "normal" and that means ignoring the massive systemic issues in our country.
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Jun 12, 2020 07:29
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If rationalizing away literally everything else Trump has said and done or his impact globally over the last four years is what you need to do to be able to say that another candidate could be not just "as bad" but actually worse than Trump, then you do you.
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Jun 12, 2020 07:43
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Fister Roboto posted:I stand by what I said. These protests would not have nearly as much popular support if a Democrat was president (see: the Ferguson protests under Obama). Biden and the people who support him just want to go back to "normal" and that means ignoring the massive systemic issues in our country. This isn't an argument why Biden is worse, it's an argument why you want it to be worse.
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Jun 12, 2020 12:38
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Fister Roboto posted:I stand by what I said. These protests would not have nearly as much popular support if a Democrat was president (see: the Ferguson protests under Obama). Biden and the people who support him just want to go back to "normal" and that means ignoring the massive systemic issues in our country. If you listen to Biden's speeches and read his platform, it's pretty clear that the high water mark for his admin would be returning to the status quo under Obama. That would be a definite improvement over the trash fire in DC now, but is too little too late on a ton of fronts.
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Jun 15, 2020 03:52
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Jarmak posted:This isn't an argument why Biden is worse, it's an argument why you want it to be worse. the problem is always what happens after Biden.Trump picks far right ghouls and biden compromises and picks centrists. Trump moves us two steps right and Biden attempts to move us one step left, merely undoing part of what trump has done. Democrats haven't really delivered in too loving long and we're going to see people say gently caress it and stop voting.
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Jun 15, 2020 19:41
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2024-28 is probably going to be a hellworld, regardless of who wins. The downticket races over the next 8 years matter a lot. That's the only way to push the Democratic Party left, but it's going to take yeeeaarrrssss to make a dent. Biden isn't a fix for anything...he's a rag getting stuffed into the wound to buy time.
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PookBear posted:the problem is always what happens after Biden.Trump picks far right ghouls and biden compromises and picks centrists. Trump moves us two steps right and Biden attempts to move us one step left, merely undoing part of what trump has done. Democrats haven't really delivered in too loving long and we're going to see people say gently caress it and stop voting. This constant argument of almost-equivalency is breaking my brain. It insinuates that Trump and literally everything that is wrong with him is new status quo that the next administration will have to start from, and somehow not being Donald loving Trump will take lengthy and complex measures that will take us back to the status quo of 2016 at half the pace that Trump is moving away from it, so therefore it makes more sense to allow Trump four more years of moving to "the right" (hell, it's not even a clear direction, it's completely disorganized chaos, and every aspect of it is racist, fascist, capitalist, and overall pure evil) before an improvement can happen? Because in 2024, you'll have a perfect candidate that'll either not start at the 2024 "status quo" that Trump will have established by then, but a magically-improved position, or start at the same status quo and then inexplicably sprint away from it leftward with the entire party at inhuman speeds? Just...how? How in god's name does this add up unless one has spent the last four years in a coma? Where does this logic come from that it'll take slow and steady baby-steps for a not-Trump president to not scream incoherent racist poo poo and completely irrational/evil statements/policy from the top of his lungs, and signing executive orders to comically-evil for a Bond movie, destabilizing the whole goddamn planet and ruining the futures of countless lives? America has poo poo the bed in 2016 massively, and I don't see how making GBS threads the bed some more for an extra 4 years, rolling around in it and getting it nice and crusty, because in 2024, you'll definitely get a brand new bed somehow makes any sense. Yeah, you didn't poo poo the bed yourself, and yeah, the guy you'll have to clean it up with loving sucks, but unless someone can come up with a guarantee that you'll get a new bed in 2024, start cleaning up the drat mess. Get the bed-shitter out of the loving bed right now, throw away the sheets, break out the antiseptics and bleach. Yeah, it's going to suck, and yeah, the mattress is still probably going to be smell, but you're stinking up the loving house for everyone else, and a healthy amount of Americans stayed home in 2016 and decided they're going to let a guy poo poo the bed because Hillary was a bad candidate. So this is figuratively (and, in this dumb comparison of mine, literally) the bed America made. Get to loving work. You owe it to humanity.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:This constant argument of almost-equivalency is breaking my brain. It's not 'Not Being Donald loving Trump' that will take time. It's fixing the massive, horrifying damage that Trump's administration has done to the mechanics of government. There are whole departments that have been running for four years on skeleton staff with appointed leadership that have no idea and give no fucks. The job's too big to be a day one fix, and with a hostile Senate able to just no bring confirmation hearings to a vote, it's going to be nigh impossible.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:This constant argument of almost-equivalency is breaking my brain. [Weimar intensifies] Yup, Let me Godwin for a bit: The German Communists thought that the centre left were just "social fascists" and the real enemy because they would only prop up the broken system and surely after the centre is discredited by the fascist victory the people will turn to true leftist leadership. That, "Nach Hitler kommen wir" spiel, didn't uh work out very well. Rejecting the choice available now because you believe (based on what?) you can get a better deal in 2024 if Trump wins seems uh, risky. AlexanderCA fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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Jun 16, 2020 11:38
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If Trump is a dictator in waiting, why has Nancy pelosi repeatedly authorized granting warrantless surveillance capabilities for him. Why has Biden said he's open to republicans in his cabinet if the republicans are Nazis? The political players you say are necessary to stop Trump dramatically disagree with you on the danger of Trump.
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personally speaking a biden administration would be somewhat less likely to try and actively get me and my coworkers sick and/or dead so my vote is pretty straightforward in that regard
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Liquid Communism posted:It's not 'Not Being Donald loving Trump' that will take time. That's his point. Pretending that Biden is in the same ballpark is ridiculous, and it's basically just self-justification in case Trump gets reelected. "Voting for the democrat piece of poo poo is almost as bad, so I won't vote/will throw away my vote on a 3rd party I don't even like." Best Friends posted:If Trump is a dictator in waiting, why has Nancy pelosi repeatedly authorized granting warrantless surveillance capabilities for him. Why has Biden said he's open to republicans in his cabinet if the republicans are Nazis? The political players you say are necessary to stop Trump dramatically disagree with you on the danger of Trump. The alternative is literally a double dose of Trump, and one who no longer needs to campaign for reelection. How does this not terrify you?
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I'm pointing out that the democratic party, from Sanders to Manchin, does not treat Trump like an existential threat, but rather as a normal (if more corrupt) mainline republican. framing this election as between tyranny and democracy is on a completely different planet than the one entire democratic party apparatus lives on. I'm not even saying it's wrong, but I am saying "vote democrat to save democracy" is a tough pitch when the democratic party is nearly unified in giving Trump the power to spy on his political opponents and signing off every slush fund he requests.
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If we were still really in primary season, I'd buy it. But we're past the chance to have a different candidate. It's Biden, backed by the rotten-to-the-core DNC, or it's Trump.
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