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Spoonsy posted:Holy poo poo I still have this account and I am stuck in my apartment and I really want to play Mafia none of my friends want to place Don't Push The Button on Jackbox and my girlfriend doesn't play board games. Ehh....maybe I should take a look at the game Huh...whaddya know merk posted:The Boy Who Lived returns. Oh cool zzyzx posted:Yes, please. That'd be fun Tom Tucker posted:Sure Ill try this Mafia thing out. Oh gently caress yes It has literally been over a decade I think since I've played. This will be interesting
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# ¿ Apr 14, 2020 19:27 |
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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 03:24 |
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Deadbeat Dad posted:I didn't make Kloaked's list I'm sad Only because I didn’t see you there! Where’s Tomato Soup? They need to host the N1 party
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# ¿ Apr 14, 2020 20:31 |
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At least all of us uber-veterans will all be equally as terrible for not having played in god knows how long
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# ¿ Apr 14, 2020 23:15 |
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Hal Incandenza posted:And everyone I learned how not to play from! Now do you mean 50lbs, or Alasdair since he was Snape and that was his personal goal in the first Hogwarts game?
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# ¿ Apr 15, 2020 02:34 |
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OFFICER LIGER posted:dismissive of things...the one thing. pointing out a cognitive dissonance in andy's post is kicking up a ton of dust? also how is clicking profiles scummy? please, write it out. tell me how its scummy. i want to know your thought process. To understand the thought process of Thomas Tucker is akin to trying to understand why the mountains rise from the earth, why the fruits produce juice for our nourishment or why the child requires his mother. It is unknowable. In these times where the Dementors are around us, the python dark oman appears in the sky above, and we fight for the heart of magic itself, one does not question he who hath brough Mafia to the forums. (I'm was working overnight last night and again tonight so slept all day. Skimmed the thread but will actually read through shortly. Thank goodness work doesn't block the forums)
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2020 03:44 |
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Also, is there somewhere that shows a vote count that updates in real time, or do we still wait for the vote count to be posted by Tokes/Max as above?
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2020 03:49 |
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I think CapnAndy is posting in good faith. This is purely based on what I remember of him as a player from 10 years ago, but that's what I've got right now. Scientastic also reads town to me since in my experience, it takes a select scum player to wantingly make the first effort for turning from the joke phase to real discussion. I'm actually going to ##vote Epsilon Plus. Reading the thread through it stuck out to me that I saw multiple posts from him, but couldn't remember an actual stance he's taken on anytime. Clicking his ? confirmed this. He has posts, but it's all worthless filler. Even his vote for CapnAndy appears to be filler and the reasoning (if you can call it that) for the vote is mostly a joke. Reads to me as scum trying to appear to have substance without actually taking a stance on anything.
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2020 07:29 |
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He’s the current vote leader, so seems like a good time to un-self vote Scientastic made basically the same case that I did but a little more eloquent, with the post having a feeling that it’s written as brand new information / accusation rather than a continuation / furtherance of the case I made. Would appreciate him commenting on why he wrote it that way
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2020 14:19 |
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Kloaked00 posted:He’s the current vote leader, so seems like a good time to un-self vote Never mind, read the vote count wrong. Now I see the active votes are the ones that are hyperlinked
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2020 14:22 |
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Are you saying that I made the same case on E+ that you made on Mikujin, or that you’re making the same case against Milujin and myself?
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2020 14:31 |
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Scientastic posted:Although I did add something: I added quotes to back me up and try and convince others, where you were lazy and relied on players checking for themselves. I appreciate the response. I’ve done similar things in the past, and I was basically looking to see if you would respond directly to me or not to help further guide my gut feeling on you. And I agree, the case is better with examples included rather than my description of what he was doing
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2020 14:36 |
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merk posted:It's the same overall point against both of you. You are here to make safe reads instead of hunt scum. Which part do you consider the safe read. What I said about Andy/Sci or the case I put forth against E+ ?
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2020 14:37 |
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merk posted:All of it. Nothing you said in that post matters. You're lightly flinging stuff. I’m not expecting to convince you of anything, but I definitely disagree. Andy was a prominent topic of discussion yesterday, and I made a firm read on him though it was based on weak evidence (e.g. a gut call from prior playing experience). I also made a firm read on Sci with reasoning to back it. The case I made was a novel one, and is pretty much the same case you made against Mikuljin and myself. So, by that, you’re lightly flinging stuff as well. If I’m missing the difference, please explain (can’t figure out a way to word that where it’s an honest ask and doesn’t come off as defensive or sarcastic) I guess we just differ on what we think constitutes a effort post
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2020 14:50 |
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I’d still like to hear Merk explain how my case against someone posting without having much actual content is light flinging and scummy, whereas his case against someone posting without having much actual content is a good-faith townie effort
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2020 15:39 |
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merk posted:I kind of flipped on this too. Kloaked jumping in to discredit my case against him by trying to highlight some hypocrisy and then fading off into nothingland without giving any new read is scummy. I worked overnight so have been sleeping all day. I don’t necessarily disagree with your case, since I’m voting Absalon for similar reasons, I just was having difficulty understanding what I felt was hypocrisy on your part
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2020 23:18 |
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Consider this a vote for KK. I’m not actually doing it because putting him at -1 isn’t a smart idea but I have no problem doing it once we’re all ready to do so
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# ¿ Apr 17, 2020 03:24 |
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Amnistar posted:Please explain to me the town motivation for wanting to claim closer to deadline? I can answer for him. There’s not. The closer it gets to deadline the more likely a chance of panicky chaos which ends up in a lynch we learn even less from
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# ¿ Apr 17, 2020 03:34 |
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zzyzx posted:Might as well drop your vote now, instead of waiting. If KK had roleclaimed I would be very likely to go ahead and do so, but putting him at -1 significantly increases the chance of someone who's not paying attention popping in a putting down the final vote. Now of course that person would get hella interrogated tomorrow, but the risks outweight the benefits at this moment. Especially since it's almost 11pm Eastern and the chances are that most people are not paying attention to the thread right now. This is not me trying to appear willing to vote him but not having to actually do it. I have no problem being the second to last or the banhammer vote since I'm convinced that KK is going to be our best lynch option for D1.
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# ¿ Apr 17, 2020 03:46 |
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Epsilon Plus posted:also I hate to be the guy who does this because I think it's a lovely way to pad your postcount but: bowmore and ASAPRockySituation are in this game? E+ continues to strike me as scummy. He realizes that what he's doing is scummy behavior, and is trying to make it okay by acknowledging it
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# ¿ Apr 17, 2020 03:58 |
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Epsilon Plus posted:I may be a simple country Mafia player, but this reeks of scum meltdown It's pretty evident why putting KK at -1 is not the best idea right now but E+ doesn't seem to care bout that
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# ¿ Apr 17, 2020 04:23 |
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I don’t have an actual suspicion for Merk right now but I do want to test something ##vote merk
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2020 17:13 |
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Second test ##vote Officer Ligor
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2020 17:16 |
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Testing over, going back to my suspicion from yesterday ##vote Epsilon plus
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2020 17:18 |
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xopods posted:He and the other missing players have been moved to the "Spectators" column in Votefinder, so it's not going to pick up the vote if that's what you're testing. Yeah, I was pretty sure that we wouldn’t be able to vote for them and that confirms my suspicion
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2020 17:19 |
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Dexanth posted:
I still liked my vote on E+, thus my vote back on him after some vote testing, but it was clear that he was not going to be the lunchee for D1, so I had to look elsewhere. The KK case seemed reasonable so I supported it with post, but not vote. I wasn’t comfortable with him being at -1 since someone could skim, throw down a vote and then hammer is down without us being content with that (or scum hits the hammer under the guise of oops!)
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2020 19:41 |
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Which also leads to my further support of doing E+ today since he threw down a very non-chalant vote on KK to make him -1
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2020 19:43 |
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So here's how my though process has gone over the last half hour or so: I initially wanted to see if there was anyone at the end of Day 1 who 1) didn't have a vote down at the end of the day or 2) put down their first vote either on KK as the bandwagon was picking up steam, or one someone else as the KK wagon was going. My thinking was that someone who was participating but didn't have a vote down somewhere by the end of the day was scummy, as well as someone who looked to be putting a vote down just to get a vote down somewhere and not stand out for not voting. This lead me to look at the last several people to vote for KK: KCW, E+, Dexanth Zzyzx and Leith. I know I'm sounding like a broken record, but the E+ vote stuck out again for me. Not only because it put KK at -1, but also because his single prior vote (which I still read as a bullshit/joke vote without real reason behind it) was on CapnAndy on April 15 at 6:30pm eastern. His last minute change to KK on April 16 at 11:09pm eastern reads further to me as a panic switch to further try and blend in. There's a lot of time between those two and he just keeps reeking of scum to me. The other person that ended up catching my attention is Jose. I was looking at the votes on other people to look for #2 above, and in looking at Jose's posting history, it doesn't look very good. There's the usual vote phase voting stuff, then once we started real discussion, there's still not much content at all. He had a joke vote on merk in the joke phase, then his second vote on Scientastic is here on April 15 at 1:37pm Jose Valasquez posted:Trap sprung. Only a death eater would vote for me! ##vote Scientastic That's it. That's all his votes for the day. He does say that he's willing to vote for KK here Jose Valasquez posted:I'm fine with the KK launch, you can pretend I voted for him, I'm just holding off in case anyone else wants to say anything before hammer. Which admittedly is pretty much the same reason I said I would vote KK and didn't, so I don't hold that against him necessarily, but with him not having put forth really any effort, the two in combination make it feel scummy. He also likes to lament a lot how D1 is useless; Jose Valasquez posted:I generally agree with everyone who says D1 sucks always and if you execute scum you usually got lucky. Jose Valasquez posted:This is a common complaint with me on day 1. And gives an excuse for why even though he's started playing mafia back when me, Spoonsy, TT and CapnAndy did, why he's bad now: Jose Valasquez posted:At this point we are all pretty much rookies again You can look through his post history yourselves, but you won't find really any content there. Now, I do agree that the veterans might be rusty and might not be used to any new metas, but we still know how to play mafia. And that includes Jose. He knows better than how he's playing right now and his lack of contribution for D1 though he knows better comes off as really scummy to me. I still like my vote on E+, but I am also very willing to put down a vote on Jose
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2020 21:22 |
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Anyone care to comment on my Jose case? I feel like it got lost in the shuffle
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# ¿ Apr 19, 2020 14:33 |
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Spoonsy posted:Would still like to hear more from PQ as to the missing players, especially since we have no idea as to anyone involved’s alignment. The missing players made their own individual choices to go missing today. I don’t know that 100% but pretty close to it. I believe PQ didn’t cause that but rather is speaking from personal knowledge of what can happen. We all know that the Harry Potter games have items/item-like game mechanics. This is just one of those
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# ¿ Apr 19, 2020 14:54 |
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I also think PQ is town simply based in the fact that I don’t feel scum would want to relay any extra information to the town if they can help it, even if it’s information that some town may already likely have. And the way he said it doesn’t read as a scum gambit, it reads honest to me
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# ¿ Apr 19, 2020 15:49 |
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Jose Valasquez posted:For the people who think Epsilon is scum, what is your read of this post? Eh, with this being a Token HP game, it’s strong precedent and clearly stated here that scum all have fake claims, so I don’t think that really has any part in helping my read
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# ¿ Apr 19, 2020 16:12 |
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Jose Valasquez posted:With the hindsight of knowing KK was scum and Scientastic is dead I think he was right about xopods and I think he was likely killed to take the heat off of xopods. Wasn't able to be around much yesterday so working on reading through Day 2 again. This jumped out to me since KK was definitely not scum. I'm not saying this was a scumslip by Jose, but I'm having trouble thinking of a reason that Jose would call KK scum when he flipped as town
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2020 12:31 |
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DBD made a case against Humalong toward the beginning of the day that I think merits a re-visit. I don't think I've ever played a game with him before, so I can't comment on his meta play, but DBD's case did get me to look at his post history thus far...…...and wow it's pretty sad. One of the themes I found was a attitude of "I'm too cool to be with all you" Mr. Humalong posted:I didn’t read those essays the first time around and I’m sure as poo poo not reading them a second time, but good effort Leith. Mr. Humalong posted:
Mr. Humalong posted:ill show you a fuckin meltdown He's also fond of giving vague opinions without committing to anything in particular Mr. Humalong posted:Last time I played with KK we were scum together and he also was the vote leader day 1. And he did something extremely similar to this. Mr. Humalong posted:I always get bad vibes from people who come in after some town flips and express that all their reads have been turned on their head and they need time to start all over. Mr. Humalong posted:I guess I have to read xopods, Amni, and crabman sigma now ugh. I will say I thought the whole "I didn't actually read that long rear end thesis but I'm gonna call you out on it" from Amni was funny and kinda scummy but I'm going to do my best to not let that color my read of him. And when he has had cases made against him, he's very dismissing and doesn't actually respond to them with any sort of content Mr. Humalong posted:I think I was chosen as an easy opportunity to appear like they were scum hunting. I have more than 5 posts so they didn’t have to appear like they’re picking a lurker, but I haven’t written any essays so it also gave them an easy angle to take. Mr. Humalong posted:
Finally, in the third example from the middle part above, he tells us that he's going to go back and read on a few people. Which is immediately followed by Mr. Humalong posted:I will be starting with E+ first because OH MY GOD WHAT THE gently caress IS WRONG WITH YOU TWO That was at 4:09pm. His next post was at 4:45 to remind CapnAndy that Pander is not present for discussion today, and that is his last post. He uses humor to deflect why he's not going to actually give us his thoughts on Xopods and Amni, and still hasn't given us that E+ read that he promised. I still like my vote on E+ the most but I would also be very comfortable with voting for Humalog based on DBD's case and what I have found as well
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2020 12:51 |
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xopods posted:I would assume that's just a brain fart, as the argument only makes sense if he meant to write "Town" there. I would guess so as well, but thought I'd at least point it out since I've seen scum caught on lesser weirdness before. I know that I need to give an opinion on the vote leaders for today as well so I'll be working on that soon (in between my actual work so it won't be immediate)
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2020 12:54 |
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Mr. Humalong posted:Hmmm Add this to my post as a cross between "I'm too good for you" and not defending himself
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2020 13:51 |
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Mr. Humalong posted:I don’t like this arrogance you’ve ascribed to me. Maybe if you would give us some actual useful content and even *gasp* place a vote today, you might begin to come across differently
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2020 14:00 |
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Jose Valasquez posted:I meant to say "not scum" or town obviously. Why would that mistake indicate alignment either way? No, like I said it was just a weird thing that caught my eye
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2020 14:13 |
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Epsilon Plus posted:tbh I'd rather see someone spending casing or engaging with other cases than hashing out a bunch of words about how they're definitely not scum, especially on D2 when hum has... zero votes, and ended yesterday with one vote Agreed, it's not a particular scum tell. It's his complete lack of effort to do...well...….anything, including defending his behavior, that I'm finding scummy.
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2020 14:33 |
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Alright, after reading through Day 2 again here's where I am - VOTE FOR E+. So many of you guys have agreed that his play has been scummy / there are good reasons to vote for him. So do it! - I retract my case on Jose. His Day 2 play is now feeling more what I'm used to from him as town - Humalong continues to have little to no value to the town and I keep reading his play as scum playing the "I'm not scum, I'm just arrogant townie who doesn't care" card -TT's post on xopods is a strong one. I like E+ and Humalong better which is why my vote is still on E+, but would be willing to vote for him too - Spoonsy's lack of presence is townie to me, based on the meta that I know from him as playing scum. I feel that if he were scum there would be a feeling of forced effort rather that minimal effort. Still would like more participation from him because what he's done so far certainly has not been helpful - Reading through Xopod's posts again led me to his interactions with Leith, which started feeling off. More of a scummy failing rather than townie defending vibe. That plus Jose's case on him here is enough for me to feel comfortable with voting him as well
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2020 15:13 |
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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 03:24 |
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Mikujin posted:It did, but sure. Yeah, I already remitted on my Jose case Read through DBD and it's kinda the same thing that I was feeling about Jose. Not much D1 content but has picked it up D2. Not a strong read on him either way, but I do like that he turned me on to the Humalong case
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# ¿ Apr 20, 2020 17:01 |