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Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


I just watched the Orville season two episode All the World Is Birthday Cake last night, and that is a weirdly bad episode. The entire show is obviously heavily influenced by TNG, but this episode, more than any other, really feels like season one TNG. It's got the classic "this society is just like modern Earth except for one crazy thing" aspect and the extreme oversimplification that you'd expect from a TV show from 30 years ago. Basically, the entire society is represented by one individual. There's no indication of any internal politics or differing beliefs, the leader speaks for everyone and has no opposition other than the outsiders from the Orville. And, like an old Star Trek episode, they're able to pull off a simple trick that not only allows them to escape but also causes massive societal changes pretty much immediately.

I also rewatched the 1998 Stargate SG-1 episode Secrets and I was stuck by the similarity between the childbirth scenes in it and the Orville. In both cases an untrained and inexperienced main cast member has to "help" a woman give birth (by saying "push" a few times and doing literally nothing else) and in both cases it was quick, clean, and straight-forward and the mother was on her feet immediately afterward.


Inspector Gesicht posted:

Probably not as racist as TNG's "Code of Honor"
The best thing about Code of Honor is that the writer turned in the exact same story for an episode of Stargate SG-1, and it's just as bad the second time.

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Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Comstar posted:

Wait, what? My wife is a HUGE fan of SG1, and now I need to ask her opinion of that episode. Which one was it?

Season one, episode three: Emancipation.

Wikipedia posted:

SG-1 visits a planet inhabited by the Shavadai, a nomadic tribe descended from the Mongols. They regard women as property, and restrict their rights in the belief that to do otherwise would bring "demons" (the Goa'uld) down upon them. Carter ends up being 'sold', but when Carter beats a chieftain in hand-to-hand combat, the team changes the tribe's opinions about the rights of women.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


alexandriao posted:

The stepping box that makes dimensional power is powered by a potato. I really like the series but. What the gently caress?
IIRC it wasn't actually powered by a potato, it just kind of worked if you believed in it and the weirdness of a teleporter powered by a potato just kind of slipped past people's need to understand it? There were definitely people who could do it with no device at all and others for whom it didn't work at all, ever. I don't think they really explained it at all, but it seemed clear that it wasn't purely a technological thing.

I never finished the series either. :shrug:

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


IShallRiseAgain posted:

Doctor Who had an episode where the Doctor got mad at a group of people who wanted to punish Hitler for his crimes. The way they set up things, it wouldn't cause any trouble for the timeline. The story probably would've worked if they chose somebody besides Hitler but they did and created a situation where the Doctor was literally defending Hitler. That was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Under the circumstances presented in that episode, I would also "defend" Hitler. They wanted to kidnap him just before he died (specifically so that he wouldn't be prevented from doing any of the things he historically did) and torture him for no reason. The thing is, "defending" Hitler in that scenario is just letting him go ahead and kill himself as we know he was about to. Torturing him for a while first helps no one.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Captain Monkey posted:

You can’t give the person-about-to-die a life without altering the timeline.
OK, you can't just let them go in their own time, so just bring them back to the future (ie. your present). People saved, history preserved. This is not a difficult problem.

alexandriao posted:

I mean, yes. But consider that the "the doctor killed hitler" series would diverge so much from our world it would be impenetrable to get into based on the amount of social change and difference in the 'modern day' characters. It would be mostly unrelatable.

The thing is, Doctor Who is fundamentally a kid's show. The marketing and the rest of the ~stuff~ is aimed primarily at children and teenagers, despite the majority of the viewers being adults. Children do not tend to give that much of a crap about this kind of thing as you would think, and it does have it's own (constantly rewritten) internal logic.
This works both ways though. You could have the Doctor stop WW2 and then have the future play out basically unchanged because it's a kids show and kids aren't going to think that critically about it. And honestly it's no less plausible than some of the stuff that does happen on the show, because even seemingly inconsequential changes should have actual effects on the timeline. Every single person who travels with the Doctor and ends up going home at the end should find that everyone they know is gone and never existed.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


blatman posted:

season 5 episode 18 "The Warrior"

edit: found the clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlCVW_ouL8
The really dumb thing about the guns in Stargate was that there were way better alien guns (zats) that are stupidly overpowered and they never came up with any good reason not to use them all the time - except that it would have made it way too difficult for the writers.

alexandriao posted:

The magic stuff in the later seasons of Farscape is really really lovely. I didn't mind the death stuff with Zhaan, but I really, really do not care for whatever the gently caress Noranti is doing with her powders and visions that she mentions in the second(?) episode can somehow change the loving past?? Like... What???
Season one has an episode where they fight an immortal space wizard. There was always a lot of magic in Farscape.

CharlestheHammer posted:

Dr. Who isn’t a kids show
Have you never watched it? Watch an episode like Rosa or Orphan 55 and then try to tell me it was written for adults.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Doctor Spaceman posted:

It's meant to be a family show that appeals to as wide an age range as possible.

So, just like pretty much every half-decent kids show?

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


John Lee posted:

To me, that's not the dumb part of that dumbass book. It's dropped casually some ways through the book that they can't actually send people back in time at all. They have a time-viewing device, and a disintegrator. They just blow up a guy, then look for a spot in the multiverse where he appears, in the past, coalescing randomly out of particles.

Why do they send him with supplies when they could just find the version that appeared with whatever supplies they wanted? Why do they kill the guy at all, and just look at his time-clone? Why don't they just look at the spot in the multiverse with the outcome they wanted and declare the job complete?

Also, they never mention it, but this means that when it's time to retrieve the agents, they just... hope that the most unlikely thing in the universe happens? And it does?

Did you confuse this book with Timeline by Michael Crichton or did two people use the exact same incredibly stupid form of "time travel"?

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Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


galagazombie posted:

If your working on Terminator 2 "Going back creates a new future" rules then you shouldn't go back except in the most extreme case of preventing humanities extinction via something like a robo-pocolypse (where everyone will die anyway). Because going back is literally murdering everyone currently alive by erasing the present with a different one with different, not currently existing people who didn't ask to be born. No good you do will ever be outweighed by the blood of billions of innocents on your hands.
This argument makes contraception equivalent to murder. There's no functional difference between doing something today that results in a potential person not being born, and waiting till they are born then going back in time and doing that same thing. You can't murder someone who doesn't exist, even if they would have existed if you'd made different decisions. That's just nonsense.

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