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Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT


pkells posted:

Not defending the cops, but just adding a little context to the situation. That’s Marion Square yesterday in downtown Charleston, SC. Despite being a big park in the middle of the city, it’s technically privately owned and leased by the city. The protesters down there yesterday did not have a permit to assemble, and the police were ordering them to disperse.

Not that that excuses the actions of the arresting officer, but that’s what was going on at the time.

gently caress this milquetoast bullshit.

It doesn't excuse anything, but you had to say it?

It doesn't excuse anything, but we had to try and make an excuse anyway, right?

gently caress this. This is the poo poo RIGHT HERE that cops keep hiding behind.

Make public spaces private property. Enforce private property boundaries to suppress free speech.

Moderate southerners did the same poo poo in the 60s.

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Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!




Looking forward to listening to this
https://twitter.com/bastardspod/status/1267498066090680320

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


Itís a good episode. Evans does a great job pouring over Grossmanís bullshit and describing what an odious effect itís had on law enforcement culture.

Woodchip
Mar 28, 2010


Audio from Bunker Don's call with governors this AM

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1267491105727295490

Woofer
Mar 2, 2020



https://twitter.com/boknowsnews/status/1267488711375228929?s=21

Jfc Joe

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Be prepared

Fun Shoe


Jesus Christ

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


I've been looking for a way to counteract some of the doom/gloom in at least a slightly comedic way, but Bomani Jones found it. You might have to turn the audio up, as it's just some guy phone-recording the radio show.

https://twitter.com/Ryan_Cortes/status/1267475574701899777?s=19

Utah appears to be 1.6% black.


Edit: and Biden was doing well today too https://twitter.com/TIME/status/1267490630462210049?s=19

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jun 1, 2020

egyptian rat race
Jul 13, 2007

Lowtax Spine Fund 2019


Ultra Carp

Joe Biden is great at compare and contrast, what are you talking about?

https://twitter.com/nasescobar316/status/1264645964159160321

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.



Having sat through one of his speeches before, and without listening to this podcast, I can only imagine how much of his bullshit "sheep/sheepdog/wolf" rhetoric these idiots have internalized and used to turn into an Us vs. Them mentality, and whatever they do is justified because "the Russians are worse".

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007





From Wikipedia:

quote:

Inciting significant controversy and anger, Grossman has been documented on video as claiming that when police kill on the job, they often report to him that they go home and enjoy their best sex ever.
Gross, man.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!




Riot Carol Danvers posted:

Having sat through one of his speeches before, and without listening to this podcast, I can only imagine how much of his bullshit "sheep/sheepdog/wolf" rhetoric these idiots have internalized and used to turn into an Us vs. Them mentality, and whatever they do is justified because "the Russians are worse".

A friend of mine put it best that it really started to take root in "Make sure everyone gets home alive" rhetoric being said at the end of every patrol brief and that cops lives mattered more than civilians. Like obviously not the root cause of everything but this dipshit really helped to sell that narrative and a lot of the blame for that stupid mentality can be laid at his feet.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES




Thatís extremely on brand for the man who told women concerned about home defense to just get a double barrel shotgun and blast it out the window to scare anybody breaking into their house

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES



Exciting Lemon

pkells posted:

Not defending the cops, but just adding a little context to the situation. Thatís Marion Square yesterday in downtown Charleston, SC. Despite being a big park in the middle of the city, itís technically privately owned and leased by the city. The protesters down there yesterday did not have a permit to assemble, and the police were ordering them to disperse.

Not that that excuses the actions of the arresting officer, but thatís what was going on at the time.

:nallears:

Wasabi the J posted:

gently caress this milquetoast bullshit.

It doesn't excuse anything, but you had to say it?

It doesn't excuse anything, but we had to try and make an excuse anyway, right?

gently caress this. This is the poo poo RIGHT HERE that cops keep hiding behind.

Make public spaces private property. Enforce private property boundaries to suppress free speech.

Moderate southerners did the same poo poo in the 60s.

Thwomp
Apr 9, 2003

BA-DUHHH



Grimey Drawer


Tweet was deleted. What did it say?

Woofer
Mar 2, 2020



Thwomp posted:

Tweet was deleted. What did it say?

https://twitter.com/proudsocialist/status/1267504043649187840?s=21

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES



Exciting Lemon


Tweet already down, but i'm sure it was worse than I can imagine despite being well acquainted with how much Biden sucks

e; goddamn it why was I right. gently caress that dumb sundowning fucker

That Works
Jul 21, 2006


This guy is probably going to be president in our lifetimes.

https://twitter.com/mikeduncan/status/1267495367077236748

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?


How many dems will vote yes on the bill to outlaw being a democrat do you wonder

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008



Buglord

Wasabi the J posted:

gently caress this milquetoast bullshit.

It doesn't excuse anything, but you had to say it?

It doesn't excuse anything, but we had to try and make an excuse anyway, right?

gently caress this. This is the poo poo RIGHT HERE that cops keep hiding behind.

Make public spaces private property. Enforce private property boundaries to suppress free speech.

Moderate southerners did the same poo poo in the 60s.

Amen. The whole point of a protest is to be disruptive. If you only go where the cops tell you to go, how the hell are you going to have an impact?

If you don't think it excuses it, don't loving excuse it.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!





In fairness, he did say "An unarmed person with a knife or something". Not excusing or agreeing with it but there's the full context of the quote.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010


Riot Carol Danvers posted:

Hey all you ground pounder types - what would have happened to you if you'd fired into a crowd of civilians?

I can't speak for every one, but I was a Grunt in Iraq during the happening years, but i can say very bad things in my unit.

It's also where I learned that as a near universal rule, only security forces can escalate. If they are peaceful- they will stay peaceful until pushed.

Woofer
Mar 2, 2020



Riot Carol Danvers posted:

Hey all you ground pounder types - what would have happened to you if you'd fired into a crowd of civilians?

I have heard horror stories about units during the invasion of Iraq and I imagine it will be different from unit to unit but in 2010 I probably would have (deservedly) been thrown under every bus by every leader in my unit if I fired on a crowd of civilians.

My leaders were dogshit but they still wouldnít have tried to have anyoneís back for that. Plus we were doing the whole COIN thing. Hearts and minds.

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Be prepared

Fun Shoe


There's so much wrong with this. "An unarmed person with a knife or something" isn't an unarmed person.

A person with a knife, a bat, a metal pipe, is a deadly threat and it's stupid as gently caress to try to aim for the leg on a moving target. Best practice is have one officer with a taser, one with a gun, one with a LL shotgun with beanbag rounds. If it's just one officer, then if that guy comes at the officer, he's posing a deadly threat and needs to be stopped.

Way too many unarmed people get shot by cops due to incompetence, negligence, and bad training. The amount of unarmed people getting shot because they reach for ID or something is inexcusable, and largely due to terrible training the cops get. Five cops yelling contradicting orders at one guy, even two different orders are too many. Not enough training at ALL on the fight, flight, or freeze response, the effect that has on the body, stuff like reduced gross motor functions, tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, etc. Not NEARLY enough training on that. Repeating simple commands loudly, coming from a single voice, and waiting and giving the person who is nervous, scared, and filled with adrenaline a few loving seconds to comprehend and comply, is something that more police agencies need to be trained on. The science has been out there for 15-20 years and has only gotten better in the last 10.

However, there are times where bad guys go for the officer's gun, or times where the cop is being overwhelmed and beaten and is close to getting killed, where shooting an unarmed person would be completely justified. Like here: https://youtu.be/rlH12wfiuI0 It'd be justified if a random person was getting beaten that badly. US laws state, by and large, "if a reasonable person would be in fear for their life or great bodily injury under the same circumstances, or to save a third person from death or great bodily injury," deadly force is authorized. There was also a shooting where a suspect engaged in a physical fight with an officer, eventually actually grabbed an officer's taser, started tasing him, was close to getting his gun, was on top of him, and another officer arrived for backup and had to shoot the suspect. Some bad people simply have a height, weight, and/or training advantage over victims. But these cases are the vast minority - they're the exceptions. I'd say the vast majority of cases I've seen where an unarmed person was shot by police were completely unjustified and should have resulted in firings and charges.

Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Jun 1, 2020

piL
Sep 20, 2007
(__|\\\\)

Taco Defender

Crazy Mike posted:

I'm amazed despite the large protests, the stock market is up today. I'm interested in what the total economic damage is compared to a hurricane or earthquake. Have we effectively priced in civil unrest?

I also think it's insane and was wrestling with the why. Best crystal-reading guess is this:

Stock market looks out one to three months to the future (some parts shorter, some parts longer than that). Higher demand for construction and materials, and already challenged businesses closing when insurance covers the building or the store, but not lost revenue during reconstruction, means lots-for-sale for commercial real estate firms. Also, since markets were down on Friday, it's probably compensating for temporary undervaluation.

Johnny Five-Jaces
Jan 21, 2009




piL posted:

I also think it's insane and was wrestling with the why. Best crystal-reading guess is this:

Stock market looks out one to three months to the future (some parts shorter, some parts longer than that). Higher demand for construction and materials, and already challenged businesses closing when insurance covers the building or the store, but not lost revenue during reconstruction, means lots-for-sale for commercial real estate firms. Also, since markets were down on Friday, it's probably compensating for temporary undervaluation.

it's because the stock market is made up bullshit controlled by those that already control the largest amounts of capital, OP

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!





it's good, and also terrible.

i'm sure you'll all be shocked to learn that grossman never saw combat.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns


I was wondering how much money the bail funds were getting over the weekend.

It's a loving lot!

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1267516611998728192?s=19

Note: half of that ActBlue money went to charities, processed through the ActBlue platform.

Bored As Fuck
Jan 1, 2006
Be prepared

Fun Shoe

Grossman is an example of a guy that can come up with mumbo jumbo picking some science but twisting it and perverting it. He's a piece of poo poo and pretty much every single serious researcher of officer involved shootings, and the body's physiological responses during a fight or flight incident poo poo talks him and his work.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Odessa Military Academy
Scholam violentis incommodis


Nap Ghost

https://twitter.com/benfranklin2018/status/1267257550619267072?s=21

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD


An rather non-trivial amount of people think police interactions should go like this: If they run, they're guilty. If they dont run, they don't fear you and thus don't respect you.

Just what exactly do you be when people have created an entire universe that justifies escalating the violence at every opportunity.

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012




The Tactical-est of Tactical Dans.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!




Bored As gently caress posted:

US laws state, by and large, "if a reasonable person would be in fear for their life or great bodily injury under the same circumstances, or to save a third person from death or great bodily injury," deadly force is authorized.

the zimmerman defense, and you're defending it.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008


cops are loving idiots incapable of grasping the idea of standoff range when dealing with someone that is possible armed. Some kid has a plastic toy and they'll loving roll up inside 10m to shoot him instead of staying 100m away out of his range. Same with anything they consider to be a melee weapon.

not caring here
Feb 22, 2012

blazemastah 2 dry 4 u


What was this guy doing, just busting up the footpath or something?

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 27, 2008

Ba-dam ba-DUMMMMMM


Doc Hawkins posted:

the zimmerman defense, and you're defending it.

Thatís the standard for self defense. If someone killed a Nazi in similar circumstances, theyíd be right to invoke it.

Zimmerman is a colossal piece of poo poo who should have been convicted. Thatís a Florida problem, not one with how the basis of self defense laws are founded.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Odessa Military Academy
Scholam violentis incommodis


Nap Ghost

Appeared to be tearing bricks out of the curb. After the protesters snag him, you can see one of the protesters wrestle a brick from his hand.

Naramyth
Jan 22, 2009

Australia cares about cunts. Including this one.

pantslesswithwolves posted:

Thatís the standard for self defense. If someone killed a Nazi in similar circumstances, theyíd be right to invoke it.

Zimmerman is a colossal piece of poo poo who should have been convicted. Thatís a Florida problem, not one with how the basis of self defense laws are founded.

Cops should have a higher bar for their ROI than ďthey were coming right at usĒ

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!




I still maintain that if Grossman is every portrayed in a movie, they need to have Tony Shaloub play him, but with the same look as his character from MIB.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES



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Thwomp
Apr 9, 2003

BA-DUHHH



Grimey Drawer


Okay thatís weird. I click on the link and in the twitter app is says this tweet has been deleted.

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