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Daunte Vicknabb posted:I wonder if Joey Ryan crossed any lines on GLOW? He seemed like he could've been an occasional recurring character after his S1 appearance.
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Reality Protester posted:he's still around, but they gave him another show without a co host
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Did anything new come out about Elgin or is this is a very delayed reaction to everything we knew before Impact even signed him?
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Maxwell Lord posted:With public figures (and most wrestlers would be), you have to prove that the persons knew they were circulating false information. TheDiceMustRoll posted:You also need to prove damages. In Canada, Damages are typically assumed if you're suing, due to the cost, in America, you need to demonstrate you actually got hurt very badly by their knowing.
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OctoberCountry posted:They weren't even his coworkers. Stroud was EIC of Uproxx's wrestling vertical and they're still protecting his name while loving over all his subordinates and freelancers. Benne posted:I'm pretty convinced that Stroud has something on upper management, a lot of these allegations have been out there for years and they consistently went out of their way to protect him.
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DrVenkman posted:Yeah if you trace back the original rumour that was out there about Stroud it was all message board chatter that was referring back to a deleted Reddit post. Everything else about Stroud - far as I know - has been recent. As for the Elgin video: What's the first allegation he's talking about? I didn't see that anywhere.
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Maybe someone who was more of a regular With Spandex reader than me—I generally just read Emily's features and interviews—can answer this, but is the idea that the With Spandex brand was too intertwined with Stroud to keep alive really a valid one?
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Chris James 2 posted:So 2 weeks ago Dave was defending Cornette Pinche Rudo posted:Who wants to bet Dave's dismissed/buried other stories as lies and never surfaced them But while McMahon claimed Patterson and Garvin resigned because of their love for the company and that the resignations weren't asked for, ring announcer Mel Phillips was suspended at the same time. Phillips, whose name hadn't publicly come up anywhere in regards to this story but people behind the scenes knew if/when stories went public he would inevitably be linked to it, was punished at the same time Patterson and Garvin resigned. This seems to ruin the credibility that Patterson and Garvin acted on their own in this manner without any encouragement or that there is no substantiation to the charges. McMahon admitted several years ago that Phillips, who has been in wrestling for about 30 years, was dropped by the WWF and indicated it was a disciplinary problem relating to the subject, but that he later took him back. And here's what he said in the following issue after Phil Mushnick wrote more clearly in the New York Post that Vince had told both him and Meltzer the same thing: McMahon admitted, as was reported by Mushnick in his brutal column Wednesday entitled, "WWF's Defense Just More Lies," that Phillips was fired four years ago "because Phillips' relationship with kids seemed peculiar and unnatural." He never acknowledges in that issue that Vince told him the same thing and Mushnick reported on that conversation, even though they were on the record. Vince's admissions were never covered in any subsequent Observer that I can find, not in 1992 or in retrospectives on the ring boy scandal and larger Titangate scandal. As a result, even people with a solid working knowledge of the subject matter that Vince admitted this on the record to two different reporters who were able to back each other up. I don't think it was deliberate on Dave's part past a desire to make sure he didn't make stories about himself, but it's still a black mark that, in the pages of the Observer, you can't find anything about Vince's on the record admission to Dave. (And only one reference to the admission to Mushnick, which was treated as just one of many things that Vince lied about on Larry King Live.) WWE's handling of the ring boy narrative was based in large part on ignoring that Vince ever said anything like that. davidbix fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jul 7, 2020 |
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fadmonkey posted:I think that if #Speaking Out were to hit more mainstream outlets there would probably be more WWE stories coming out. It seems like this is circulating in a wrestling bubble, which is why so many indies are getting hit because indy fans are the ones paying attention. Can you imagine how many stories aren’t getting out because people don’t know there is a movement going on? As for Riddle...yeah, what WAS Meltzer talking about and who told him that, because Riddle's current story (Cartwright made up the rape allegation as part of her stalkery revenge on him for ending the affair, which we know ran into last year) doesn't mesh with him telling WWE the allegation was out there when he signed in summer 2018. And how the hell did nobody tell him not to wear SPLX poo poo for the time being, much less IN THAT VIDEO?
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Testekill posted:https://twitter.com/orinanne/status/1280918573150543872
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Should I post my DMs with Ricochet and Kacy?
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Endless Mike posted:I mean, we already know they are DMing people saying they had no clue about Rance, so if it's nothing more interesting than that, I'd not bother. Your reputation (whatever it is) is probably more important than adding to a dogpile of shaming, no matter how deserved. Ethically, it's fine. They cold messaged a reporter explicitly saying they were giving their side of the story and never asked for any kind of protection, nor were they given it. Sometimes I'm more lax with people I already have a relationship with since I don't want to "trap" anyone, but...yeah.
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It's also not a comfortable discussion, but it's entirely possible that if Havoc has had an unchecked addiction for so long, he might come out of rehab and...be a decent dude if he stays sober. It's 100% a recognized phenomenon that there are a lot of addicts who are abusers when off the wagon—not strictly when they're literally drunk/high—and act completely normal when they get and stay clean. I used to know a drug rehab counselor who got into the profession because her ex was a *violently* abusive cocaine addict...who she's able to be friends with again after he got clean and had prolonged sobriety. They could never be in love again, but returning to being the guy she fell in love with and married meant that they could have a friendly divorced parents relationship. Is it universal? No. Is it an excuse? Of course not. But it's not out of the question and makes Havoc's situation much different from the others.
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Jul 19, 2020 23:11
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Not to completely derail the thread, but the Hopkins Lecter is clearly the worst version at this point, right? I don't like the "he doesn't have to hide anymore!" logic people use to excuse why it's so over the top, especially since Cox and Mads were able to simultaneously show the "scary ruthless insane serial killer" and "here's how he functioned in society and evaded capture" parts. And Cox did it in...what, 2 scenes?
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Jul 22, 2020 06:19
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Jerusalem posted:Quoting and answering in the General Discussion thread. Keep this one on topic. 
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...how does he think those DMs help him? At all? And why are we supposed to believe redacted emails he could have sent to himself? Also, wasn't the story always that the "pissing" story was from his time on the Ontario indie scene? At this point I don't even think it's a true story, as much as his embellishment shows that his mindset about consent is very, very bad.
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Jul 24, 2020 07:01
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That accessibility policy is a great touch. I've heard a bunch of (completely legit) complaints about how way too many northeast U.S. indies don't run accessible buildings, so making a point to ONLY tun accessible buildings is a really nice move on their part. I mean I can only think of exactly one NYC area venue that's complete accessible, the current Elk's Lodge.
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Jul 28, 2020 07:35
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Making the visa stuff more confusing is that in Canada...you can just show up and wrestle. Canada has an unusually common sense immigration policy for performing artists: https://www.immigration.ca/performing-artists-do-not-require-work-permit-in-canada This is why you see American indie wrestlers in promotions like Alpha 1, BCW, ECCW, etc all the time, but not vice versa.
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It gets worse: https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1296997983846838277 I also have no clue where Dave's getting that figure of 45% of the 1992 allegations being proven false. OK yes, Murray Hodgson, fair play, that dude fabricated a sexual harassment allegation to such a degree that his lawyer apologized to Pat Patterson and Jerry McDevitt and would later call Murray a "lifelong con man." And if you want to count Nailz, who everyone on Earth agrees made up an allegation of Vince groping him as a way of evading charges for strangling him? OK, sure. But that's it. Two. If we're really stretching it, we can add Superstar Graham to make it three, but the allegation against Patterson that he recanted was something he claimed to have witnessed, not something that he said happened to him, and that's not the same thing. (He did say that Vince Mcmahon "fondled [his] arm" on Pro Wrestling Spotlight the night before the Donahue taping, but nobody took that seriously as, well, anything.) If we limit it strictly to allegations that surfaced in 1992, then it's nowhere close to 45%. Off the top of my head: 1. Tom Cole, the most well-known ring boy, who was molested by Mel Phillips and harassed by both Terry Garvin and Pat Patterson (with Patterson also groping him)? No. 2. Chris Loss, another ring boy, who never outright said anything sexual happened but still accused Phillips of wrongdoing? No. 3. Murray Hodgson, who claimed he was fired for turning down Patterson's proposition? OK, yes. 4. Barry O, who made a point of saying that nobody did anything to him in the WWF but Garvin harassed him in Amarillo, being joined by Patterson to molest him on a separate trip? No. 5. Tom Hankins, who alleged he was kicked out of the locker room when visiting after turning down a Patterson proposition? No. 6. Chris Dube, who accused Patterson of harassing and groping him? No. 7. Rita Chatterton, who accused Vince of raping her? No. 7. "Barney," who accused Phillips of molesting him in a car outside the Nassau Coliseum after turning up as a WWF plant during the Donahue episode? No. 8. Mike Clark, who accused Garvin of sexually harassing him and was the first person to go public with the "Cream Team" nickname for certain members of the ring crew and referee roster? No. 9. Nailz, if he counts? Well, yes. So...22.2% without Graham, 30% with. If you drop out Nailz and stick to those who came forward while Titangate was still an ongoing story, falls way down to 12.5%. I can't think of any way to get to 45%. And that's not including others who came forward after 1992 with related allegations, such as: 10. Scott Marques (accused an unnamed, non-Phillips ring crew supervisor of sexual assault in a 1994 NY Daily News article). 11. The unnamed ring boy who sued WWE in 1999 over being molested by Phillips and got a settlement. 12. Nelson Sweglar, who didn't accuse anyone of doing anything to him but told Shaun Assael for his book that he once walked in on Garvin "hard at it" with a ring boy on a tour bus of some sort. 13. Jimmy Korderas (who, realistically, made it obvious that he was accusing Terry Garvin of sexually harassing him in his book even if he left out the name and danced around a few things). How the hell you got 45% proven false out of that?
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Gumball Gumption posted:Also Dave needs to either stop talking or explain the big secret he thinks he knows about this. I don't think there is one but he keeps acting like there is some other side no one knows. Cavauro posted:wanted to also say that i don't mean to imply dave's number is correct in some way. i just think he has some kind of weird and bad source or viewpoint for where he got it. he's pretty poo poo about viewpoints all-round
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Pylons posted:No, there was a really badly photoshopped accusation against him that was floating around for a short time. I'm almost positive that's what he's referring to.
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xbilkis posted:Kenny is also the target of a very vocal group of online wrestling fans who say stuff like he groomed young Japanese wrestlers he trained with and picked who to push in AEW based on who he's sleeping with, so it's kind of understandable if he has a warped perspective on this stuff imo
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Spiderdrake posted:Isn't he also quietly bi-sexual and turned down the fed? Kenny I can understand. quote:I don't really know a lot about the history of Meltzer or him as a person but those tweets don't read like him defending Ospreay to me. Not exactly. They read like he's protecting himself, downplaying something that makes him look bad in a very real way. It's too vague to be a spirited defense of anything but the larger context of the industry and thereby his involvement in it. StarkRavingMad posted:And I can totally get it from his point of view. Like, imagine waking up and seeing some fake photoshopped thing is circulating that could destroy or put a permanent cloud over a career that you’ve broken your body down for over the last 20 years. If the person who had done that photoshop and made the twitter burner account was just a little better at it, it wouldn’t have been that easy to refute, it would just be Kenny saying “this is fake, I don’t know what else to say,” and how many people would believe him? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) davidbix fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Aug 22, 2020 |
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Really, the piece of the fallout that made Riddle look most guilty is that someone floated a story, reported by Meltzer, that Riddle was aware of the allegation when he signed, informed WWE about it while providing exculpatory evidence, and as such it was considered a non-issue internally. But if the Riddle side is that Candy made a false rape allegation because she went insane after the breakup, that can't be true, because the breakout wasn't until a good 8 months or more after he signed. Someone clearly planted that story with Dave as misinformation and, to the best of my knowledge, he never retracted it after it was proven to be either false or wildly distorted.
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Jerusalem posted:Maybe WWE did do an investigation but it was the same quality of the one they just did for Velveteen Dream, where they just didn't bother to talk to or look into the actual claims made by the accuser at all?
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Pylons posted:That's perhaps one of the wildest things about this, to me. By all accounts, if Riddle told WWE what he told the public, then he lied to them, and his punishment is... getting stuck in a feud with Baron Corbin?
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fatherofmustard posted:Joey Ryan has begun reuploading videos to his Youtube channel.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, that feels like "we're a kayfabe publication so like he fits there but we know he shouldn't be there but instead of doing the logical thing and just leaving him off we're gonna do this."
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StarkRavingMad posted:One year had both Hijo de Fantasma and King Cuerno in at separate spots (it's the same guy) and also talked about how good AR Fox was on Lucha Underground as Killshot (Killshot was Shane Strickland).
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MassRafTer posted:His tweet was that in wrestling it is 55 or 60% of claims. Also, in the interest of transparency, even if I don't think it really changes the totality of the story much at all: https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1306370488172773376 https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1306371491873857537
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Pylons posted:On the surface this seems like an impossible case for him to win. What a dumbass.
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Akileese posted:I mean do they think the court documents don't exist? This statement isn't even remotely grounded in reality.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:Where did Matt even find this guy? He's somehow so perfect for an aging abusive burnout, it's like cartoon levels of stupid. Neodoomium posted:Now come on, give Lionel Hutz some credit: He's getting a paycheck right now, so how bad of a lawyer could he be?
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In the new Observer, Dave Meltzer says, without citing a source, that the Riddle camp now alleges that the day—previously "February"—where Candy Cartwright "made a scene"at Full Sail and "had to be escorted off the premises" was December 19, 2019. NXT TV days are/were Wednesdays. That was a Thursday. After the last taping of 2019, which was the night before, on the 18th. I'm sure Riddle is gonna claim there was a typo on someone's part, but knowing how WWE keeps records, it's a massive stretch to think that this would have happened but Riddle wouldn't have been armed with proof of it when filing for the restraining order. Also in the new Observer, Dave, in talking about changing physiques, strongly implies that Rusev/Miro (recently took issue with him) is on the gas but seemingly gives Will Ospreay (his boy) the benefit of the doubt.
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Benne posted:Also they fired Captain New Japan for alleged gambling problems, which reads like code for "got in trouble with the Yakuza" That said: They did EVENTUALLY drop Elgin, and if it's because of, well, everything, then they waited for some reason...and I'm not sure anyone has said why? As for Honma, well...this (emphasis mine) is what Meltzer said on WOR at the time (IIRC, the WON story was functionally pretty similar): “It’s a weird thing because Tomoaki Honma actually has some deal going on television where he’s doing a gimmick where he’s in love with this very famous, or formerly famous, pop singer and model from the nineties who was really big in like 1995, 1997…Anyway, his real girlfriend, who nobody knows about, who’s actually a former wrestler from years and years back, it’s his girlfriend for 18 years, she’s jealous of this — she’s a wrestler — she’s jealous of this worked angle he’s doing on television, where he’s in love with, you know, the pop star girl. So she’s going through depression because he’s doing a worked angle and anyway, it’s women. What can I say? And then they went out to dinner- this would have been very recently — they go out to dinner and another girl shows up who I guess he was having an affair with four years ago. Now, keep in mind these two have been together for 18 years, so when you do the math, it’s not a good thing. So they get into a really big fight once they come back from dinner and she’s going off on him something fierce and I guess somewhere in the point of her going off on him, she realized she’s gone way too far with whatever she was saying, so she apologizes. And he kicks her in the face. Allegedly kicks her in the face. So, she said that and said that he’s mean to the dog and…it’s one of those things.” Where this gets weirder is that over a year later, someone on the Observer board was (rightfully) giving Dave poo poo for how he covered it, and his response was that he was the only one to contact the police in Japan (through an intermediary). Something that he never mentioned in his initial coverage, or anywhere really outside of that one forum reply.
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Because the internet is dumb: https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1308525751361327104
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Evil Badman posted:Sure is a link to your own locked account. Mind elaborating? I preferred embedding the tweet because it looked nicer. Like this: https://twitter.com/BabyfacevHeel/status/1308525779916075010 And speaking of stupid: https://twitter.com/brian_mark88/status/1309635972938838016
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Is it me or does it feel like there would have been more of an effort made to make the screenshots a smoking gun if it were fake? I'm not saying I think one is more likely just yet, but do we know yet if the girl's profile had her age? (Unless I missed something, the messages didn't.)
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STAC Goat posted:I think that logic works either way. Someone could be trying too hard or trying too little. Ultimately you gotta just take it for whatever evidence comes forward, I guess. quote:The reality of it being Lawler of course is that we KNOW this is who he is so there's not really a question of that. Its just a question of if there's a new victim.
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Not to backseat mod, but I REALLY hope that everyone (here and elsewhere, but especially reporters) makes sure to understand that Ryan naming the accusers whose allegations were shared by Sierra Loxton doesn't mean that anyone else should be. It doesn't matter how easy it is or isn't to find.
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