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I've been checking Seattle craigslist every few days and I've noticed a ton of 16' and larger kayaks that aren't selling, a decent number of 10.5's that seem to come and go within a few days, and just about nothing in the 12-14' range. I assumed that was the most popular category, but maybe people tend to keep those once they get them? Or they get bought up pretty quick? I've got several months before spring but its interesting how that middle section seems relatively rare in the used market.
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Salt Fish posted:I've been checking Seattle craigslist every few days and I've noticed a ton of 16' and larger kayaks that aren't selling, a decent number of 10.5's that seem to come and go within a few days, and just about nothing in the 12-14' range. I assumed that was the most popular category, but maybe people tend to keep those once they get them? Or they get bought up pretty quick? I've got several months before spring but its interesting how that middle section seems relatively rare in the used market. imho 12ft is ideal for recreational paddling. i own 3 native ultimate 12s (now sold as the fx 12) https://nativewatercraft.com/pages/ultimate-fx-12 and 1 pungo 120 https://www.wildernesssystems.com/us/kayaks/pungo-120 as well as a 17ft wooden sea kayak that i haven't used in ~10 years, it just hangs on the ceiling now. for me it's just an easier, more comfortable and more stable length, easier to transport and store but long enough to not just be a pond boat. i go out a lot but not in the ocean, mainly tidal rivers, lakes and ponds. and i'm not trying to race anyone. this summer it seemed there was as lot on the market, some people who bought during covid and then didnt use them. there are some nice 10-10.5 like the dirigo 106 but they're for smaller people (i'm 6'3" 208lb, dirigo is more for 5'6" or smaller people). https://oldtownwatercraft.johnsonoutdoors.com/us/shop/kayaks/recreation/dirigo-106
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Nov 10, 2023 21:00
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Salt Fish posted:I've been checking Seattle craigslist every few days and I've noticed a ton of 16' and larger kayaks that aren't selling, a decent number of 10.5's that seem to come and go within a few days, and just about nothing in the 12-14' range. I assumed that was the most popular category, but maybe people tend to keep those once they get them? Or they get bought up pretty quick? I've got several months before spring but its interesting how that middle section seems relatively rare in the used market. 16'+ is a big rear end kayak that I wouldn't expect to see much outside of sea use so they aren't gonna sell as fast as something more convenient to splash around flat water in
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Nov 11, 2023 01:39
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PokeJoe posted:splash around flat water in jfc dude lol
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Nov 14, 2023 13:45
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Drove 4 hrs today to get a free 19ft surf ski. drat, this thing is a long MFer
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Luvcow posted:jfc dude lol do you not believe that's what the average Seattle urbanite is up to? e: I shouldn't post after wine that post is from 4 months ago 
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Mar 22, 2024 00:14
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Surfski maiden paddle. This thing is crazy tippy. I can barely paddle more than a couple strokes before going for a swim. This is gonna take some practice and perseverance
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Mar 25, 2024 02:13
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Has anyone covered any significant distances hauling both a cargo box and a canoe on roof racks? My partner and I are driving from Virginia to Colorado in June and I've found a whitewater canoe (mad river outrage, about 12 ft long) nearby that I'd like to buy since I haven't had much luck finding one locally. We'll be bringing our dog and packing for 3 weeks including camping gear, along with 2 bikes on my hitch mount bike rack. I had planned to put a cargo box on the roof in order to have room for everything, but now that I've found this canoe I'm wondering if it's wise to even attempt 1700 miles driving across the country with this setup. My thought is that I'd put the 78" wide Yakima bars onto my Outback and that would give me room to carry the canoe and box side by side. If it's going to make the drive home unsafe or miserable I can live without the canoe and keep searching for one closer to home, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask if anyone has had success with a similar setup. Jato fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Mar 27, 2024 18:10
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Your fuel mileage is going to suffer, but it's definitely doable. The 78" bars are a little less than 6" wider than an Outback, so it should be legal. My biggest concern would be: how are you going to strap the canoe to the car? Yakima suggests strapping it down like this: 3 weeks of having to undo the rear strap to get into your trunk is going to be a little annoying, but not unlivable. Make sure you use some padding to protect the paint where the front strap contacts it. Trucker Wisdom is you can put a half twist in your strap to keep it from vibrating in the wind. Make sure you can open your cargo box without having to move the canoe, because that would get extra annoying.
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Mar 27, 2024 19:02
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Thanks for the feedback! In the past when carrying a canoe I've used these straps on the hood and trunk and it makes it pretty easy to pop into the trunk when needed. We wouldn't be driving with the canoe for 3 weeks, just staying 3 weeks in Colorado, and then we'd be driving straight back to Virginia just stopping to stay the night a few times.
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Mar 27, 2024 19:14
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Oh dope, yeah, you'll be fine. Have fun.
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Mar 27, 2024 19:19
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One thing to be mindful of is most roof racks have surprisingly low max loads - they're easy to exceed and I've done it a ton with no problems, but something to keep in mind. I've not done a canoe and roof box but I've done 4 whitewater kayaks and a roof box for a 3 week road trip and our homemade 2x4 rack did fine, and I've done a roof box and 3 kayaks on a normal rack a lot for 1000+ mile trips and haven't had any issues.
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Mar 27, 2024 19:19
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A friend who works for Thule says that for the portage kit the front and rear straps are literally only so you have a visual to see if something is going wrong up top - they are not "structural" in any way. All the work is done by the straps going over the boat and under the roof bars. As such, they recommended attaching the front straps to the hood hinge area on either side and running it up through the front of the boat. Tight enough to not fly all over but not so tight that they're bending underhood stuff. Avoids scratching the nose of the car. I threw a carbineer on the rear strap connected to the trailer hitch chain safety loop so I can loosen it a touch and pop it off when I need in the hatch.
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Mar 27, 2024 19:23
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amenenema posted:A friend who works for Thule says that for the portage kit the front and rear straps are literally only so you have a visual to see if something is going wrong up top - they are not "structural" in any way. All the work is done by the straps going over the boat and under the roof bars. Errrr that's very bad advice from your friend depending on your craft. For a 12ft white water canoe or recreational kayaks maybe but good luck with a 17ft ultralight canoe and truck wash. The first part anyway, your actual advice for securing it is good. I use engine mounts on either side and tie very secure trucker hitches. For the front and rear I prefer cord to straps, especially ratchet straps, because it's too easy to over tighten them, they are loud, and obstruct your vision. Also, it takes just a few minutes with a hacksaw to cut through those Yakima round bars. I reduced my 78s to match the width of my van and use it to carry two canoes. Makes me a lot more comfortable taking long drives with the bars up.. just uh test the setup as best you can and measure twice before you cut
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Mar 28, 2024 23:05
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Having seen how far back a canoe can shift on a rack, even when strapped well, I'll always have a solid strap from bow to front bumper. I think I posted about it in here, but a buddy of mine had a canoe peel the whole Yakima rack off his Outback on the highway because there was no bow strap. The canoe never came off the rack, just took it with it.
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Mar 29, 2024 00:25
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Rated PG-34 posted:Surfski maiden paddle. This thing is crazy tippy. I can barely paddle more than a couple strokes before going for a swim. This is gonna take some practice and perseverance How hard is it to remount? They look fun as hell but also really tricky and I've been curious about them for a while.
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Mar 29, 2024 15:52
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Siamang posted:How hard is it to remount? They look fun as hell but also really tricky and I've been curious about them for a while. Remounting is a bit easier than a sea kayak as it's a sit-on-top. I didn't have much trouble getting back on, though I was in fairly calm water. The previous owner actually installed seat belts so he could roll it. I never managed to properly roll a kayak so I removed them.
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Mar 29, 2024 17:10
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HenryJLittlefinger posted:Having seen how far back a canoe can shift on a rack, even when strapped well, I'll always have a solid strap from bow to front bumper. Yeah this is the danger with the low weight limit on most roof racks, especially with wind loads on large objects like canoes and sea kayaks. The bow and stern straps will help, I've also strapped the rack on through the door frames when doing long bumpy roads with heavy loads up top.
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The roof rack on an Outback is sufficiently tied to the structure of the car that I'm not too worried about a kayak pulling the whole thing off, but I agree the bow and stern lines are necessary.
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Mar 29, 2024 18:45
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Yeah, I never bother with a bow strap on a kayak, unless I'll be on the interstate. I always throw one on a paddleboard though, the nose of an inflatable one will start to flutter.
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Mar 29, 2024 19:51
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With a canoe I always use two straps in front, too much shifting side to side. On my Buick I made strap loops bolted into one of the fender mounts on each side, pop the hood and flip them out when needed then for the rear strap I would put the ball mount in and use that. The kayak is short enough I just fold the seats down and put it in the back of the Suburban, too heavy to lift on to the roof by myself.
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After having tried a surf ski, videos like this are bananas: https://youtu.be/2WP2mHH6Law?si=X-kc7yyFWRCyxne6
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Anyone own a skin-on-frame kayak? Someone was kind enough to give one away for free. It’s in pretty decent shape from what I can tell, aside from needing a new seat.
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I am doing a 100km kayak marathon tomorrow I have not been in a kayak ever have done some canoeing tho but it is 0 degrees Celsius outside wish me luck.
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What series of events led to your current circumstances? godspeed, post a trip report
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Are you lapping a lake or something or are portages involved? I don't think I've ever traveled more than 35k in a day by canoe. Rip!
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That's amazing, please report back.
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Lol your traps are gonna seize up so hard. Stay safe, don't forget to get out of the boat and pee. For real though, stay safe. That sounds like a recipe for death.
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Yeah I really hope.you have proper cold weather gear and are ready for it, that's a very very long time in a kayak in cold weather.
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Jato posted:What series of events led to your current circumstances? A friend has a midlife crisis so I am going along to support his aspirations. It is on a river and we need to carry the kayak over 4 dams or so as well. At least during the day it will be 6-7C so should get better. And I do brazilian jiu jitsu so hoping all the pulling movements from that have given my back muscles some work. 
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lovely tuna snatch posted:A friend has a midlife crisis so I am going along to support his aspirations. It is on a river and we need to carry the kayak over 4 dams or so as well. At least during the day it will be 6-7C so should get better. And I do brazilian jiu jitsu so hoping all the pulling movements from that have given my back muscles some work. FYI rivers are twisty and windy, and often go far, far from where people are. Two miles of river might be one mile as the crow flies, 62 miles of river might take you a week. Getting to you might be difficult to impossible in a lot of spots. Goonspeed, pack some sunscreen and a snack.
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What river? Where's your put in and takeout?
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I am OK, it was a competition format, tired as gently caress after 18 hours of suffering so will share the trip report tomorrow.
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lovely tuna snatch posted:I am OK, it was a competition format, tired as gently caress after 18 hours of suffering so will share the trip report tomorrow. Alright, recovered enough to share the experience. My friend who likes to suffer signed us up for https://www.vohandumaraton.ee/en/. This is a 100 kilometer kayaking/supping/canoeing/rafting marathon taking place in Southern Estonia. Since we have basically flat terrain in the country, the river path runs on a very flat course, where you need to carry the boat over 4 times (dams in the way) and a few "rapids" (20-30cm drop lol). Here's the course map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1PGd3RTdXaMQme7Fuz4tMHrdTcQA&femb=1&ll=57.959544565543645%2C27.25572415000002&z=11. I mostly do running and sweat a lot. Thus my assumption was that I will also be sweating during this race. That was not the case - I dressed too lightly and basically did not account for the cold weather at all. On top of that, my "apron" (the thing you attach over the kayak to prevent water from falling in) was too small which means I was wet basically from the start of the race. That means I got cold shivers for the first 4-5 hours of the race and every time we got out of the kayak to drag it over the river. I was shivering even when we got back home but managed to get to sleep and was OK by the morning. Race started at 7AM, we were there at around 6:30AM. First it was a 5km circle in a lake, took a quick piss stop at ~10km, first carry over at 31km and then lunch break at 41km. About that time sun came out and it was more or less manageable being wet as the sun warmed us up (was about 7-8C outside). There were rapids between kilometers 45-55km where my apron completely failed, we got pretty heavily flooded with water, had to drag the kayak out at a random place, drain it of water and switch into dry clothes. After that the river got a bit wider and it was pretty smooth sailing to 75km, where the dinner stop was. Got heavy cold shivers again but there was a warm-up tent so warmed up a bit, got back in and turned on our headlamps as it was already 9PM. It was pretty OK up to the end, last carry over at 90km, then it started snowing but the river was chill and wide for the last 10km and we finished at around 1:30AM. Friend picked us up, we had a rented kayak that we didn't have to deal with further and got home to sleep at around 3:30AM. Overall, if I had waterproof clothes, my apron had worked, and I had picked gloves from any other material beside polyren, it would have not been that difficult. The kayaking part itself was pretty OK, did not feel much muscle fatigue. But my fingers and toes were frozen for pretty much the entire race and today are swollen up like sausages. Feel free to ask me about any extra stuff, basically I screwed up on clothing super bad, the faulty apron screwed us over even more, I figured it was going to be an easy boating trip down the river but would definitely prepare a bit more seriously equipment wise next time. My relative who was on a 6 man raft finished 2.5 hours faster. I don't have any pictures other than selfies taken at the rest stops as my fingers were too frozen to take the phone out at any point of the journey. This is at the 41km lunch break: 
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Good on you for toughing it out. Respeck.
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Yeah I'm really comfortable in kayaks and in colder weather too and I would not have bitten that off.
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