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erenoyo posted:The "Elidibus is a child" theory doesn't really convince me for one reason: why would a sitting member of the council of leadership for their society be a child? I think people are just reading too much into that he appeared small at the end. He never acts childish -- his black and white worldview is a result of him being a primal, not a kid He constantly acts childishly, his PoV is always smaller and lower than the Ascians in his flashbacks, he very clearly is played more vulnerable in the very end, and every single Ascian is a FFXII reference. In this case Zodiark is kept as a child to limit his power, and in this his heart is Elidibus, a child. And there's the whole "Went out of his way to save a child in over his head from the 13th". There's a lot of references that imply that yeah, he was probably a child. The degree to which that matters ten thousand years later and after being a Primal is up for grabs, but odds are we murdered a 10 year old.
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Aug 17, 2020 19:35
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homeless snail posted:Yeah, Elidibus isn't a leader any more than Levi is the leader of the Sahagin. They summoned him for a purpose, he has enough of a will that he got a big head about it, but the other Ascians we see don't ever seem to ever put him in high regard. There is like a total of one or two cutscenes where anyone listens to what he has to say, and those were years ago The first time we meet Emet he speaks highly of Elidibus' abilities. It's the entire reason he came out of retirement.
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Aug 18, 2020 00:47
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In a society that has literally never had a single major disagreement ever, there is zero downside to a young child learning on the job.
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Aug 18, 2020 07:41
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Cleretic posted:Lahabrea and Emet had to learn how to be terrible people from somewhere. They learned it from watching you.
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Aug 18, 2020 18:01
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cheetah7071 posted:Hydaelyn is still better than Zodiark in the current status quo because Zodiark still wants There's no indication of this, and it's entirely possible that without a heart there is no such thing as a "Zodiark". Just a mass of undirected power. There's also never been a single moment that conveys anything that Zodiark has ever wanted or said. The Ascians wanted things, the Ascians used Zodiark as a means to get those things, we've never seen Zodiark's perspective. We've gotten to see the big crystal mom say some things, convey ideas, but Zodiark is and always has been a giant question mark.
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Aug 18, 2020 23:22
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thetoughestbean posted:I’m an adult Not playing this game you aren't 
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MadFriarAvelyn posted:Everyone keeps saying Elidibus was just some kid, but he's got a pretty deep voice for one. They do change his voice, just not his voice actor. Listen to his delivery in those final scenes versus all the previous ones. It's less harsh and more vulnerable. And it's not like he previously didn't have scenes that required him to convey grief or contemplation. Even compared to those it's a different delivery. It's not a complicated process really. "Why did they make a child model for the heart of this creature that has been conveyed in the past as a child?". Gee I don't know, because he's actually kind of young?
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Aug 24, 2020 21:50
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Jetrauben posted:I think they're supposed to have a concept of gender but almost no sexual dimorphism to speak of? No, a concept is exactly what it sounds like. Literally an idea. This means more to them because their magic is thinking about something and making it real. A detailed enough concept is enough for them to create something. And yeah, that's what the Architect is in charge of. Concepts, their use and their storage. What concepts are implemented and how, what concepts are kept in case they need to be used later, and what concepts should never be released. e: As for who that is, it's implied to be Emet, with Hythlodeaus as his chief. Hythlodeaus is flat out stated to be the Chief of the Bureau of the Architect, and is told by Hades that he could have been Emet-Selch if he wanted the position. Instead he recommended Hades. He also states that Hades is better suited because he always finds a practical use for what he sees, whereas Hythlodaeus simply enjoys seeing for it's own sake. So I don't think anywhere flat out goes "Hades = Architect", but it's the thing that makes the most sense. Mulva fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Jetrauben posted:What I mean is that concepts seem to be persistent and stored in physical vessels. Coherent platonic ideals. Yep, that is the entire basis of their society, creation magic. Everyone can make anything, but not everyone can conceive of everything, so useful ideas are stored so that others can recreate them later. That's what the Architect does, stores concepts. Any concept, all concepts. Even what we would think of as a "Primal". It's all the same to them. The idea of an object delivered in enough detail is that object, as far as the ability to create it goes.
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Its Rinaldo posted:Primals are summoned when people are praying desperately for salvation and Crystal Mama doesn't happen if Zodiark is just chilling after everything is fine Zodiark didn't actually do poo poo. And as of the newest story, he didn't call for poo poo to be done either. The first words from the heart of Zodiark after his creation, when they were deciding if they should sacrifice all the lower life forms? "Fear...not... You will make...the right choice. And I will see it through.". That's not big evil god talk. Nor is it a call for soooooooouls! On no level that we've been presented was Zodiark ever an antagonistic force. The Convocation, sure, not great if you are a lesser being. Zodiark is exactly what it was created to be: The will of the star, that could save people from oblivion.
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Cythereal posted:Just remember that that salvation calls for repeated acts of genocide, and several such atrocities have already happened with more being scheduled until we stopped them. That has nothing to do with Zodiark, is the thing. You are talking about the Ascians, and what they chose. Their god hasn't even been real since the Sundering, as it's fragmented like everything else. Nobody told them to do all the horrible poo poo they did, because there is nothing around that could tell them. And before that there's no indication they were told to do anything in particular. They built a giant wishing machine to solve all their problems, and the price of using it on a global scale is life. What they choose to do with that appears to be on them, for good and for ill. Cleretic posted:That's evil genie talk, don't kid yourself. Except we know the person that delivered it and they aren't that smart.
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Its Rinaldo posted:Then what was the purpose of creating a primal to kill another primal if everything was fine? Moderate dissatisfaction isn't enough emotion to do the deed especially for one powerful enough to sunder Zodiark. The fact that Zodiark wasn't calling for a mass culling doesn't mean nobody was. The Convocation at least was totally willing to kill folks to bring back the dead. And Zodiark is, by all accounts, capable of doing it. The Ancients never really had a serious conflict that we know of, and so rather than smacking each other in the head with rocks they went with something a bit more logical: If they are going to make a giant god, we'll make a giant god. Ultimately the same desire, to save and protect life, was used to make both of them. The big crystal was designed from the beginning to counter Zodiark though, so it has a bit of a leg up in their fight. As it turns out a giant, nearly omnipotent being takes quite a bit of countering. And so they broke reality. Like ultimately the conflict wasn't some heated battle to extinction. Venat wasn't spouting curses against the Convocation or anything, they just thought that their beliefs were wrong. That's all, just another philosophical argument that got way, way out of hand. I'd expect Zodiark and Hydaelyn to be functionally almost identical, they were made by basically the same people for largely the same reasons. They look nearly identical too, except one is a dark crystal and one a light one. Sacrifice was an innate part of their creation, one side thought they could continue the process with other beings. The others disagreed. It's not like the capacity for power through sacrifice was innate to Zodiark, the people that made Hydaelyn killed themselves to do it too.
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Onmi posted:But they didn't, they didn't turn to a Primal, they turned to their own ingenuity. Are you loving kidding me with this poo poo, 90% of our ability to survive nonsense is based on sucking the teat of the big crystal mom. The only reason that Bahamut didn't go and cause a real Calamity is that the Circle of Knowing organized a giant prayer circle that worked. The resolution of the conflict with the Slyphs is Ramuh talking them into peace. Alexander totally saved our rear end from Alexander, and by extension the entire future by helping people figure out time travel. And on and on and on. The current raid series is "Man, the First is hosed up.....LETS SUMMON A SERIES OF PRIMALS TO FIX EVERYTHING!". They are just a tool, and they are whatever you believe them to be. Also Darth Walrus posted:Speaking of music, have we talked about the lyrics to To the Edge? They're pretty Yeah this song is as rad as it seemed to be on first hearing it.
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SirSamVimes posted:In the end, our title is just The Warrior and all other jobs are removed from the game. We already have a bitch soul Warrior, so that we never have to touch that class ever again.
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Sep 21, 2020 08:46
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Zenos as dark mirror to the WoL never worked with me because it's true, and I'm tired of some loving loser I already beat hanging around. You never had any interesting fights, including your last one. Go away already so I can get to a good fight you loving nobody.
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I mean the main character is basically an Ascian at this point, so all stories going forward will by nature be Ascian stories.
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SirSamVimes posted:Ascians are specifically the organisation that formed to free and empower Zodiark. Azem was never a part of that, so even if you believe that the WoL is Azem, they are still not an Ascian. Hey, I remember freeing Zodiark from possession and also from this mortal coil. hosed around on the moon doing stupid poo poo, have the ancient robes, got a crystal from another Ascian, did some body jumping. Teamed up with them to menace a small bird child. Hell you repeatedly use elden summoning magic at this point. Really you've run down the greatest hits of the Ascian playbook.
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Argas posted:or to uplift (the Ascian way, nevermind they dropped Azem from the band in the first place). The Ascian way is they give you a crystal that lets you take on the role of the person that had the seat before you, who was you in a previous life. We.....were given a crystal to take on the role of the person that had the seat before us, who was us in a previous life. We use their special magic. We are even told that it's our duty to go forth and do Azem poo poo by the Ascian who gave us the crystal. We are as much Azem as Amon was Fandaniel. We will carry Ascian bullshit with us into the future, forever.
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ImpAtom posted:No? They specifically gain the memories of the previous version. We did not. Amon rejects the memories of Hermes. He's still Fandaniel. Face it, we are Ascian bullshit. It will never end. vvv A thing you give a poo poo about but, say, Hades doesn't. Why do you trump him? It's not your fan club we are being inducted into.
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To be fair I think more groups stream it than not, it's a rare few like Thoughts per Second that don't. But yeah, it's real long hours put in by people that take this poo poo seriously. And some people that take it slightly less seriously that are like "Hell, we aren't going to be first but lets have fun with it.". e: It's crazy stupid hard content too, feel free to go try TEA or UWU even though they've been "solved" and see how easy it is to pull off today. Mulva fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Apr 30, 2022 |
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Vitamean posted:on reflection I thought elidibus's scheme was to guide urianger to the solution of sending minfilia to the first to stabilize it while they worked on untangling the mess lahabrea had made. No he's just a basic bitch with simple plans. The Warrior of Light is being a problem? Heh, I'll summon Warriors of Darkness! Wait, poo poo, he's the Warrior of Darkness now? Yeah well....I'll summon Warriors of Light! HA! What the gently caress would you expect from an eternal teenager?
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