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How do you read the logs you find in Nier raids? I've forgotten. On a related note, Okabe brought his A-game for the music. I don't know what he mixed The Maker's Ruin with, but it was rad.
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Nibble posted:I realized he makes a good match for Zenos in that way. Zenos killed his own dad so he didn’t have to be burdened by his birthright and could be free to do whatever. Fandaniel couldn’t do it himself, but with the big three gone he’s happy to be free of the Zodiark mission. As I've said before in the main thread, they're also the natural consequences of the unsundered Ascians' schemes. They may have been spreading chaos and death for a noble cause, but they were still spreading chaos and death, and as the millennia went by and their original cause faded away, the carnage that they left behind became their only real legacy. Zenos and Fandaniel are the ideal citizens of the world they created. They can't be nuanced and human like the unsundered, because the unsundered spent generation after generation stripping nuance and humanity away from the world until all that's left is murderous hedonism.
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Aug 12, 2020 17:25
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Fister Roboto posted:If you talk to Y'shtola after the story is over (she's in the nursery with Urianger), she speculates that, since the Crystal Tower is technically G'raha's territory, it's probably not fair to call him Tia anymore. I have no idea how he'd react if the WOL ever calls him G'raha Nunh. Chillgamesh posted:Zenos yae Galvus is probably the the biggest misnomer in the game, because not once has anyone looked at Zenos and said "yay" I mean, Asahi did. Didn't exactly work out for him, but he definitely liked 'em tall, blond, and sociopathic.
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Again, Zenos is just the inevitable consequence of the Ascians' mission once it loses its guiding ideology. We need a simple monster as payoff for the complex, nuanced, and human villains' terrible, futile ambitions. He's their new Amaurot as it really exists, and now everyone has to live with that.
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Aug 16, 2020 11:12
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YES bread posted:everyone is so sick of villains with understandable motivations and tragic backstories. "please" theyre crying out, "just let me bunch a dude in a nazi uniform!!!" lol if you think 'I really enjoy hurting people because my culture and social class selects for nihilistic sadism' is a difficult motivation to wrap your brain around in 2020.
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Yeah, primals aren't natural forces, they're summoned magical constructs shaped by the desires of their summoners. If Hydaelyn goes poof, it does no meaningful damage to anything except that it leaves the planet without its most powerful protector - and primals, given their immense aether drain, were never the most effective protectors anyway. Hydaelyn is definitely going to want to be destroyed once Zodiark is gone, and to fight us in order to make sure we can do her job once she's gone.
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Aug 19, 2020 13:18
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HellCopter posted:I was afraid they went too hard too quick with the Weight of the World remix in the first raid. The only way to top that would be Emil (Despair) Remixes of Emil (Despair) and A Beautiful Song in the same raid would be incredible. Especially if they also bring back Weight of the World in a boss phase. Like, that might seem overly ambitious, but Dun Scaith has a similarly insane concentration of good music.
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Sep 10, 2020 12:42
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Gaius specifically said during his time as Shadowhunter that what he wanted to do was talk to Varis and find out whether the Garlean Empire really was just an Ascian machine for creating death and chaos. He doesn't know it, but he's aware of the possibility and open-minded about it, and the Weapon storyline is really hammering in that he and his country were a blight upon Hydaelyn. He's definitely in the middle of an extremely painful redemption arc, which will likely culminate in him saving one or more of his kids in a grand, public act of defiance against the Empire. An endgame with Maxima as the new leader of Garlemald and Gaius as his retired military advisor seems likely. Fandaniel, Asahi, Teledji, and Yuyuhase seem to make up a recurring subgenre of evil-evil secondary antagonists who are just cruel, greedy assholes. Zenos is Trump-evil - he has his reasons for being who he is, but they mainly build understanding rather than sympathy. He's just a spoiled fascist brat with a violence addiction. Some folks do be like that.
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Speaking of music, have we talked about the lyrics to To the Edge? They're pretty  .quote:All our splendour bathed black in silence
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Cleretic posted:Sometime last year I put a bunch of XIV villains onto the old-school D&D alignment grid (which I think is awful, but it helped me make my point to tabletop nerds) to show the breadth of villains the game's got, and a lot of those 'evil secondary antagonists' are the real the game's got just a TON of Lawful Evil bad guys. XIV really loves its assholes who know how to play politics. Alex is nice enough, but Thordan just wants to be an eternal superpowered magical dictator. He's not as monstrous as some other villains, but there's little to actually recommend him.
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CYBEReris posted:I think the angle they're pushing for Zenos is that constantly witnessing the apocalypse in a society that rarely if ever meaningfully challenges him on his worst impulses has broken his brain and he's numb to everything except the pain he inflicts and that others inflict on him and embraces nihilism out of a belief that nothing he could do would matter. So, a spoiled fascist brat who keeps getting recommended guro by the YouTube algorithm? Still not exactly the most heart-rending backstory in the game.
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I do think it's an inevitability that 6.0 will feature us facing down a Garlean primal. We've pushed them too hard and shaken their sense of self-worth too hard for any other outcome. Yeah, I know they don't have magic, but they're getting better and better at finding creative/horrifying solutions to that little problem.
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Sep 15, 2020 19:34
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Hydaelyn's probably going to want to fight us simply because she's the most powerful being on the planet (remember that she punked Zodiark), and she wants to make sure the mortals seeking to replace her will be capable of doing her job and keeping the world safe. Like, there's plenty of reasons for a boss-fight against Hydaelyn even if she remains a wholly benevolent, trustworthy being. As Ramuh and Alexander can attest, it wouldn't be the first time we've fought and killed a nice primal.
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I feel like we should have a Livia Oversoul simply because of how incredibly uncomfortable it would be for Gaius.
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multijoe posted:I don't think even her biggest stans have ever called Yotsuyu 'morally grey' (amnesia arc not withstanding) There's a reasonable argument that she ends the story in a grey area. She's bitter, vengeful, and destructive after getting her memories back, and she does turn into one of the most dangerous beings of Eorzea to pick a fight with us, but she honestly seems to want to give her country a monster to slay as a happy ending, and doesn't kill or permanently injure anyone who doesn't deserve it. As for G'raha, only Miqo'te men have lower faces shaped like that. That significantly narrowed down the possibilities.
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Cythereal posted:Er, did you miss the part in Ruby Sea where she tortures and kills whole villages and complains that slaughtering kojin isn't nearly as much fun as killing humans? I'm talking about what she did after regaining her memories. She acted like the villain she used to be, but it was mostly a theatre performance (and an excuse to kill her awful, awful family).
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Dec 8, 2020 12:23
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Hey now, they're both fourteen. Let's not get weird here.
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Let's be real here, though, Eden's Promise was extremely gay. Like, you had an entire final boss phase based around protecting Gaia's memories of going out on dates with her girlfriend. It genuinely felt like the only reason they didn't have them making out at the end like Squall and Rinoa was because they're consistently depicted as early teens rather than late teens, rather than because they happen to be gay, and the whole thing still ended on them going off on a ride for two where you definitely weren't invited.
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Eox posted:There hasn't even been a straight on-screen kiss so they have a reasonable excuse to dance around it And, again, they're both fourteen, so I'd put them on the lower end of the likely priority list for that sort of thing, but it does feel like whenever those two eventually come back into the plot, they're going to have the kind of married-couple energy that's detectable from two shards over.
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How does the Eden's Promise 1 mechanic with the tethers and the circles of gunk work? I always eat vuln stacks from that.
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So I'm assuming that for the Diamond Weapon battle, Allie will be the pilot and Lucia will be the Oversoul? Felt like we were getting some pretty clear misdirection here, and there's no way they'll let a trial battle be Yet Another Zenos Fight when he's alive and kicking as a major MSQ antagonist.
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Remember that when we did as Ardbert did to Mitron and Loghrif and smacked a senior Ascian with a Blade of Light (Lahabrea at the end of ARR), it didn't permakill him, which is why he came back for Heavensward. Ardbert and his crew honestly did more damage than we did on our first try.
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Jetrauben posted:Lahabrea was an Unsundered, though. Nabriales, Igeyohyrm, Mitron and Loghrif were all subjected to the gently caress-off-ghost blade with fatal results. I can believe that Mitron was another unsundered. Guy seems like he was incredibly powerful, and his kaiju form as Eden is not wholly dissimilar to Hades unleashed. That might be why he survived and Loghrif didn't.
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I got the impression that most of their relationship development happened during the timeskip from Eden's Verse to Eden's Promise. They're extremely coupley by the start of EP (well, it can be argued that EP is finally where Ryne figures out that she's got a girlfriend rather than a best friend, but Gaia definitely knows where they stand), and the flashbacks in E12 suggest they've been spending quite a bit of time together.
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:Also isn't. Midgardsomr snaps that poo poo off like it's nothing. I mean, it's Midgardsormr. Knowing what we now know about tempering, I see no reason why he couldn't effortlessly remove a dose of that.
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Zomborgon posted:Anyone seen Ryne and Gaia hanging around in the overworld after the raid series? I haven't seen them and so far presume they're off taking a joyride in the unmapped empty. I mean, the quest that unlocks EP Savage and serves as an epilogue to the questline ends with Gaia inviting Ryne for a ride on her new mount, which only has two seats so you're not invited. I assume that wherever they are, they're greatly enjoying their privacy.
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Hunter Noventa posted:So you're saying the elevator in the Bulwark Hall has a secret down button that leads to the ancient allagan artifact that'll launch the entire city into the sky while draining all the aether out of vylbrand? It's the Great Ship Vylbrand now. We gonna get an entire floating island-battleship.
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Countblanc posted:I can't stop thinking about when the scions were like "those floating towers look like Garlean tech!" When like... no they don't. Not even remotely!!! Why did they say that lol I dunno, they're red and black with smooth metallic panelling rather than the weird quasi-organic poo poo the Mhachis used to use. They're pretty Garlean.
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Gaius always had a pretty good reason for remaining ignorant of how awful the Empire really was - he was a frontier general and governor a long way away from the capital, and he didn't run things like that. It was very easy for him to believe that he was the norm rather than the exception. Remember that the Garlean Empire, like most historical empires, was really more of a federation of sub-nations, because it's only recently that we've developed the technology and infrastructure to run a country that huge centrally. Regional governors have a lot of freedom in how they interpret their directives from the capital, which is how you get legati like Noah, Gaius, and Nael (Valens, ironically, is pretty much just doing his job as he's supposed to).
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Zomborgon posted:Really the Ultima Weapon isn't a terrible idea on the whole, unless there were weird aether buildup ramifications they didn't touch on or that I cannot recall The big problem with the Ultima Weapon was that it had a backdoor to let Ascians Gundamjack it, resulting in considerable unintended devastation. So technically, yes, aether buildup was a problem because it let a bunch of genocidal space wizards unleash magical nukes willy-nilly.
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Gruckles posted:I think Ultima halted the aether drain situation, but kept what the primals had already absorbed trapped. Instead of destroying them and letting their aether dissipate back into the enviornment. Well, it did let it dissipate into the environment... as a gigantic magical nuke. Hence the 'Ultima' part of 'Ultima Weapon'.
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The Empire having linkpearls and other communication tech doesn't mean that all information on them is trustworthy, freely shared, and freely available, even for regional governors. Does the Garlean Empire really strike you as the sort of place with permissive freedom of speech laws?
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:It was a big point that the ancients could fuel their creations with their own body's aether. Hydaelyn and Zodiark are charged purely off of what was given through their sacrifices, which is vast amounts more than what the current races can provide. Eeeh, I'm not sure that Hydaelyn is Hydaelyn, any more than any other primal is the entity they were modelled on. She's interwoven with the planet, but she isn't actually the planet.
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NachtSieger posted:I think you're letting your dislike of Emet-Selch cloud your thinking, because we, as in the human us, aren't aware that time travel is a possibility, because we can't do it, and I'm pretty sure if some person showed up and was like "sup, time travel exists," every single person would be "loving excuse me?" That said, small-scale time manipulation magic is common enough in the setting that you might expect a millennia-old archmage to give the occasional thought to upscaling it. We don't live in a world where astrologians exist, for instance.
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Meiteron posted:I'm always legit annoyed whenever I see that last enemy design because I know the model it's based on from FFXI and frankly I think the new version is terrible. I think the whole point of the most powerful voidsent is that they still look a little bit human, though. They're a big enough deal to assert some of their old personalities amidst the chaos of the Void.
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bewilderment posted:It's referencing the move Crush Punch, later renamed/retranslated to Northswain's Strike. In other words, Agrias and Cid are breaking out some Hokuto Shinken.
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As I've said before, I'm pretty sure that we'll fight Hydaelyn for the exact same reason we fight Ramuh - she's a huge, unnecessary aether drain, and she wants to be your final test so you can replace her as guardian of the planet. Option B is that she pulls a Hraesvelgr and uses herself as our combat trainer for the battle against Zodiark. Her being entirely moral, helpful, and trustworthy in no way prevents her from ending up as a boss battle. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Jan 26, 2021 |
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Chillgamesh posted:I don't think they'd make us fight Her if they did this; She'd just pass herself onto the WoL like Minifilia did to Ryne. Something extra would have to happen for us to be forced to fight her, like a massive power surge making her go rampant; That's what I think Zenos and Fandaniel are up to. Again, though, she may very well want to fight us - not out of malice, but to help us learn how to play in her league if we take over her role. I see no reason she wouldn't be up for a final exam.
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