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Sandwolf posted:could it have been a coincidence no, nevermind, so incredibly unlikely
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Sep 30, 2020 18:56
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Cloner you're a gunsmith? Cena are YOU a gunsmith?
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Sep 30, 2020 18:56
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Cloner of the Elks posted:All gunsmiths, please make yourselves known Wait so you literally make little toy guns to give to people?
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Sep 30, 2020 18:58
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Scientastic posted:What is the pro-town purpose of giving people non-functioning guns if there are gunsmiths in the game? it'd be a slightly more technical framer, like a miller-maker
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Sep 30, 2020 18:59
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Cloner of the Elks posted:Hey dude, these are replicas man your tone here is pinging me
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Sep 30, 2020 19:01
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Cloner of the Elks posted:No, I just identify them WhAt
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Sep 30, 2020 19:01
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Cloner of the Elks posted:Nothing, it's irrelevant. I just know if someone is capable of shooting someone WHAT
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Sep 30, 2020 19:03
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Scientastic posted:I think that in the course of this exchange, Cloner got shouted at in the scumdoc for getting his claim wrong honestly had the exact same vibe of someone bungling a claim
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Sep 30, 2020 19:06
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cena please come explain your role and if it's virtually identical to cloner's
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Sep 30, 2020 19:08
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JOHN CENA posted:he's probated rn lol I’m done to give Hawke time to respond but I’m probably gonna vote him.
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Sep 30, 2020 19:35
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Hum is tryna make some kind of weird point about a certain type of role?
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Sep 30, 2020 19:57
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Sandwolf posted:Hum is tryna make some kind of weird point about a certain type of role? Response to Sci’s post about how gun giving could be pro-town
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Sep 30, 2020 19:58
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Retro Futurist posted:Sandwolf weren’t you untargetable n1? I honestly don’t know. I received something else N1 but I don’t know if it was from the same person who debated me. I’m honestly kind of confused about what happened N1.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:09
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Scientastic posted:I think the person who debated you was probably SNG You were also debated last night, though, no?
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Sep 30, 2020 20:11
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Scientastic posted:Yeah, but my flavour definitely reads like the debate and the gun are separate events. I think that actually might just be coincidence. The gun? I’m so confused omg forget this I’m not gonna try to suss out what happened at night.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:34
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Uh, Sci.. I did receive a message, I do think the same person visited both of us (we know why), but I did not receive any gun...
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Sep 30, 2020 22:04
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Scientastic posted:Specifically, the gun I was given was engraved with a message that the person who gave it to me wrote: it had a special identifying word on it and it said that the person visited Sandwolf the previous night. you're sure of this? because this is loving bonkers confusing. my debate + message also DO feel like the same event
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Sep 30, 2020 22:05
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Sep 30, 2020 22:09
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Sorry I had some sadbrains last night I’m reading up now
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Oct 1, 2020 17:01
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JOHN CENA posted:hawke says he received my question but it was softball, and hawke was my intended target so i dont think redirection happened. i could have been driven insane maybe. i wont discount all possibilities Sci doesn’t this directly implode your supposition that one of Hawke/Cena isn’t lying?
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Oct 1, 2020 17:02
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Scientastic posted:But that doesn’t clear Binus? unless he knows I'm town lol
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Oct 1, 2020 18:20
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Scientastic posted:When I thought that was engraved on the gun, I genuinely thought I’d caught Hawke in a massive lie. it's pretty obvious one of those three is still lying imo
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Oct 1, 2020 18:31
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Hal Incandenza posted:Sandwolf, you said you were debated N1, and also got a message? Your original post about it sounded like it was the same person but is that two different visits then (SNG and b- I guess) yeah exactly I do not know. D2 I thought it was the same person, after seeing SNG flip I thought it was two people, then Sci apparently confirming the exact same things happened (along with other stuff) made me think it was one person again binus could clarify this whenever he wants
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Oct 1, 2020 18:55
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DGK2000 posted:I tracked Cheese to Steak. so why would scum visit a poisoned player the night after they're poisoned?
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Oct 1, 2020 18:55
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Scientastic posted:Eh, they could be. At the moment, I trust Hawke the most, probably Cena the least, but I don’t think it’s a given that any of them are lying, I think that’s a risky assumption. Sci, occam's razor is a great thing. If three people's statements are not consistent, one of them is lying. Town should not be lying.
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Oct 1, 2020 18:56
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Scientastic posted:I don’t disagree, but I think that working out which one of them is potentially lying is very difficult, when I am very confident that DGK and Cheese are scum. I mean, I think it's Cena, but can you walk me through why you are so sure on Hawke?
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Oct 1, 2020 19:07
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Scientastic posted:In my night flavour, it was: mine was: Debate. Message.
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Oct 1, 2020 19:07
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Sandwolf posted:mine was: my point moreso there was why hasn't binus clarified it yet
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Oct 1, 2020 19:08
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okay, that works for me, but I don't see how JC could be deceived, he seems insistent that he asked a 'hard question'
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Oct 1, 2020 19:15
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JOHN CENA posted:i didnt get to pick the questions for what its worth so i have no idea what specifically was sent to sci or hawke but you know it was a softball for sci and a hardball for hawke?
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Oct 1, 2020 19:20
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b-minus1 posted:man i dont know what to do. im torn between cloner dgk and cheese. we need to get to the bottom of the cena/hawke/cloner night action confusion, but im worried that if we going to run out of time. if we mislunch today it's probably game over I’m pretty much here but torn between DGK, Cena, and GG. Feel p good about binus and Sci, though some small part of me is suspicious of the way Sci brought up all the night action stuff.
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Oct 1, 2020 22:30
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DGK2000 posted:##vote Hawke the cenation says he can directly kill. Cena is there anyway this is not true? You said you are told whether or not people can kill, not whether they have guns or not, but whether they can kill. You were told Hawke can kill, no?
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Oct 1, 2020 22:31
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Cloner of the Elks posted:Why Sandwolf never answer to my cases? WHY? what do you want me to say, honestly? is anyone gonna be around until deadline?
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Oct 1, 2020 23:01
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JOHN CENA posted:Yes. do you think hawke is scum then? as far as I can tell, ONE of you has to be lying about the ability to kill
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Oct 1, 2020 23:30
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JOHN CENA posted:i do, there's a reason i chose to investigate him in the first place. i was told my action was successful so i wasn't roleblocked. he confirmed receiving a question so that erases all doubt of if i was maybe busdriven or something. i don't think a framer would interfere with my ability, i think his ability directly interferes with it, maybe theres something where he's coming off as a miller to me because he has guns that he could distribute but that feels like too big of a stretch, occam's razor here just tells me he's scum and some people are overthinking things. okay so here is my issue. this is a direct contradiction between hawke and cena about who has the ability to kill. One of these two people is scum. I don't necessarily think DGK is scum. I'll vote there to prevent a no lunch, but he just seems like a lurker lunch, him getting all testy every time he's prodded makes me think he's just not invested. So cena could be lying about his result, but from the sounds of it, it's a pure gunsmith. If Cloner is a gunsmith too I'd reckon he's the one meant to be faked out by Hawke's role, which is probably a gunsmith-framer, which makes sense as a scum role. Cena can't be lying about his role because it's been confirmed by Sci at least partly. I don't know why Cena would lie about his result. I think ##vote hawke
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Oct 1, 2020 23:42
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SHALASHASKA HAWKE posted:Cena how did I get the same result on my end as Sci did? Obvs one way is if we’re scum and he shared it, but you trust the result on Sci apparently? lol this feels like you know sci is the poisoner
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Oct 1, 2020 23:43
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SHALASHASKA HAWKE posted:Hum may have created a very elaborate anti-night action bingo setup which is very much my jam. Leave that aside and look at the votes/content. yeah but this feels like you trying to squirrel out of your result with mod wifom
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