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##unvote I'm feeling a lot less confident about my vote on SW right now, actually. This big push for "hey, it's deadline, can we please get some discussion" feels good to me. If it was purely performative, it'd be very easy to wait longer, so that he could be seen urging for content, but not leaving much time to actually make it.
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I roughly agree with the DB case, and I'd put a vote there, or on SNG.sandnavyguy posted:Look, here is my input on the matter, and it hasn’t changed.
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Ceyton posted:To be clear, I'm still entertaining theories that Dick is scum, but I think Sandwolf is much more likely scum. Here is where I differ in opinion from you. For whatever reason, this game is a lot less active - I have not been helping, but it has been a cluster gently caress of a week and I got over zealous in another game and it bit me in the rear end - and Sandwolf has been a huge push for engagement. If I was scum, I would push away from attention, not draw it too me (now, it should be noted that since the town cop yeeted himself out of the game day one, one could argue that a scum could play town-crier as a distraction, but I am merely stating that i recognize the possibility not that I believe it). Furthermore, why would Sands encourage action if action inevitably lead to more investigation - specifically of himself? I think your actions have been a lot more suspect than him.
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Oct 16, 2020 22:56
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I need to stop beating around the bush and just drop this now. ##vote Ceyton
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Oct 16, 2020 22:58
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I'm open to the possibility of being wrong about Sandwolf, that's why I didn't vote him yet. No one else is supporting my case, so it must not be very good.Biaga posted:I think your actions have been a lot more suspect than him. How so?
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sandnavyguy posted:Look, here is my input on the matter, and it hasn’t changed. Doesn't a launch on D1 usually favor town in the long run, though? And by extension, scum would want a no-launch? quote:Of the votes, the last, second to last, and third to last should be highly scrutinized if it was in fact a scum rush, as these are the best points tactically to enforce a hammer. Most attention on the second to last, as the last vote could very well be a swayed townie. Why can't N-1 (or -2 or -3) be swayed townies, as well? Especially when it's 7 to hammer, the bandwagon is in full effect by then. quote:The last vote was Pmush, and I don’t think it was scummy, just a mistake: I base this on the relative low engagement and the fact that if you didn’t look closely there were several votes in succession that could have hid the fact it was -1. You don't think DB immediately casing me on D2 makes him more suspicious than me?
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Oct 16, 2020 23:31
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PMush Perfect posted:I roughly agree with the DB case, and I'd put a vote there, or on SNG. Yes, that is exactly what I think happened, minus the part about you being a moron, it’s a reasonable trap and I think you were unlucky and fell into it. And this fallout of maybe they did maybe they didn’t was exactly the outcome desired.
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Oct 16, 2020 23:39
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PMush Perfect posted:Why am I given a pass for just being dumb if Ceyton, a newbie who posted not long before me, doesn't?
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Oct 16, 2020 23:41
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Ceyton posted:Doesn't a launch on D1 usually favor town in the long run, though? And by extension, scum would want a no-launch? No, I think that in a vacuum he’s as scummy or townie as you, since 2nd and third to vote should always be scrutinized, if in fact I’m right. If I’m wrong, then of course it’s flawed but I think I’m right. What makes you more, however, are the actions others took either against you or on your behalf to shift the conversation. Which sucks as if you are scum there’s nothing to really be done about it, which is frustrating, and as town you’re trapped by happenstance which is also frustrating.
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Oct 16, 2020 23:43
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PMush Perfect posted:You missed this part. Sorry, because I feel the hammering vote is less impactful in a mid day scum rush than those setting up the hammer vote. This would be *entirely* different if this occurred even close to deadline. But as it was, there’s no incentive to be the one catching flak for ending things early. That makes the hammer vote more null than scum.
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Oct 16, 2020 23:45
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##vote DB I'd still move to SNG, but I feel a bit better about him now. Enough that he's not my first choice any more.
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Oct 16, 2020 23:50
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Ceyton posted:Doesn't a launch on D1 usually favor town in the long run, though? And by extension, scum would want a no-launch? Oh no, it’s a possibility everyone lunching could have been a townie, I’m not arguing it has to be my way, it’s just I think if scum is playing well then it’s unlikely. I’m saying it’s far more likely, on a day with low engagement and no night bingo, for scum to decide to make a play to rush someone early, throwing things into disarray when there is a lowered chance of discussion catching it because the temperature of the thread is more lurky. Bandwagon effect is much more effective near DL, not for an early lunch. Unless you have some fair evidence, people won’t want to just hammer so early, much as everyone is doing today by inviting because fear of leading to another rush.
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Oct 16, 2020 23:51
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*unvoting Sorry I’m on mobile.
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Oct 16, 2020 23:52
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I am happy to give Ceyton another day to prove himself because PMush is still pinging me. Whoever said it, Hal?, that what she's saying feels very technically 'right' without any real substance or feel behind it.
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Oct 17, 2020 00:06
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I think PMush reads town so far. I didn't mind the d1 hammer, and her posting since then is generally noticing the same things I did.
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zzyzx posted:I think PMush reads town so far. I didn't mind the d1 hammer, and her posting since then is generally noticing the same things I did. okay, tell me who's scum then
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Oct 17, 2020 00:13
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I like DB and SNG. Biaga's still a decent third, but he said it's his second game so I haven't spent too much time there.
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Oct 17, 2020 00:15
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sandnavyguy posted:Oh no, it’s a possibility everyone lunching could have been a townie, I’m not arguing it has to be my way, it’s just I think if scum is playing well then it’s unlikely. Yeah, I guess you're right. D1 launch would favor scum if they could keep a lid on the amount of information coming out of it. Thanks~ I still disagree with your choice of me over DB though. He called me "empirically anti-town" and my vote "at least an order of magnitude worse" than his, when we did both did exactly the same drat thing. What "actions others took either against you or on your behalf to shift the conversation" are you referring to, specifically?
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Oct 17, 2020 00:43
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Biaga posted:I need to stop beating around the bush and just drop this now. ngl this comes off as a tad bit performative imo
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Oct 17, 2020 01:50
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Oh yeah, that reminds me. We're back on, Dick. ##vote DB
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Oct 17, 2020 01:52
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Looks like it's gonna be NL though. Votes are 4-2-1-1, Dick needs 2 more. The only votes left are Cena and... DB. Only guy who I think might change his mind is Hal.
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Oct 17, 2020 01:54
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Ceyton posted:Yeah, I guess you're right. D1 launch would favor scum if they could keep a lid on the amount of information coming out of it. Thanks~ regarding the bolded above, we didn't do the same thing and I've already explained why. this idea you have about that still pings me because, at least from my perspective, it's obvious we didn't.
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Oct 17, 2020 01:55
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Eh... we'll probably take that disagreement to our graves.
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Oct 17, 2020 01:57
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Ceyton posted:Oh yeah, that reminds me. We're back on, Dick. Haha what is this.. who's "we" and why are you letting other players dictate how you read my alignment? just when you were seeming town to me you post something like this lol ##vote Ceyton
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Oct 17, 2020 01:57
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I miss-read that comma I think... the statement isn't as sus as I thought it was originally. I have to re-read the game when I get home in approx 2 hrs ##unvote
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Oct 17, 2020 02:03
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I was the first to vote against you, remember? I did a détente out of politeness, and I really did dislike how Sandwolf was behaving, but now I think it's time for you to go.
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Oct 17, 2020 02:04
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Can someone do a vote update?
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Oct 17, 2020 02:07
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Alright I don’t want a NL and we’re getting close. ##vote DIckBastardly I do think DB is scummy, but I still think Ceyton the better choice though.
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Oct 17, 2020 02:31
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This is a bad vote, unvote SNG There’s two hours til deadline and if you’re town allowing this scummy apathetic lunch happen you’re part of the problem here
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Votecount for Day 2  Dick Bastardly (5): Ceyton, zzyzx, Dick Bastardly, PMush Perfect (1): Sandwolf Ceyton (1): Dick Bastardly, Sandwolf, sandnavyguy, sandnavyguy (1): PMush Perfect, Sandwolf (0): PMush Perfect, Not Voting (2): Dick Bastardly, JOHN CENAWith 10 alive, it's 6 votes to execute. The current deadline is October 16th, 2020 at 9 p.m. PDT -- that's in about 2 hours, 4 minutes.
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Oct 17, 2020 02:55
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DB do you have a claim?
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Oct 17, 2020 02:58
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Sandwolf posted:DB do you have a claim? Yes, please no one hammer yet
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Oct 17, 2020 03:00
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##unvote
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Oct 17, 2020 03:12
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Sorry, I’m driving and didn’t want to screw us with a NL
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sandnavyguy posted:Sorry, I’m driving and didn’t want to screw us with a NL How is unvoting for the leading candidate helping to assure avoiding a NL?
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Oct 17, 2020 03:16
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Because I thought we had less than an hour, not two
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Oct 17, 2020 03:17
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Biaga posted:How is unvoting for the leading candidate helping to assure avoiding a NL?
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Oct 17, 2020 03:17
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PMush Perfect posted:SNG's saying he left a vote on while working(?) in case he didn't make it back in time for deadline. Now he's unvoting so he can read again rather than leave DB at -1. This
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Oct 17, 2020 03:18
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I still feel that Ceyton, is the best bet as scum - but, I am going to help settle this and go with the group. ##vote Dick
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And that's -1 again. DB, if you're around, got a claim for us?
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