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He will absolutely be studied as one of the most effective (which doesn’t necessarily mean good) speakers of this entire generation.
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Dec 15, 2020 20:52
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Nick Soapdish posted:Biden already told us pre election that better things aren't possible so par for the course They aren’t possible because we don’t want better.
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CBJSprague24 posted:I finally started The Grand Tour from the beginning today. The first couple episodes were a bit weak, but it gets back to the normal Top Gear hijinx in the third episode. Season 1 was by far the weakest. They didn’t seem like they knew what they wanted to do. Season 2 on is where it gets great. The Detroit episode might be my favorite non-special.
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Dec 16, 2020 03:52
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I believe Steve-O is even sober this time around
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Dec 16, 2020 18:20
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bulletsponge13 posted:Steve- O was sober during 3, IIRC. After Dunn died, they took a break, and until recently, Knoxville was the major hold out from coming back. (All from various Steve O interviews) He’s a pretty cool success story all things considered.
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Dec 16, 2020 20:20
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Where the gently caress did republicans want all of that money to go because the only demand I’ve heard about from them is being able to kill workers without recourse?
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Dec 16, 2020 22:07
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The PPP loans were used to line the pockets of rich people even if it went where it needed to go in a lot of cases. Just like I might get the same tax cut as billionaires but they benefit a lot more for it. It’s all a grift.
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Dec 16, 2020 23:05
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Best Friends posted:There's pretty much no way to fairly distribute money to keep businesses alive because the economy is unfair. I think the ppp was good and I want more because it did accomplish its mission of keeping a lot of businesses from firing people. It could have been better but it could have been way way worse. the people looting the country liked this post
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Dec 16, 2020 23:32
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Best Friends posted:The alternative of no ppp means that the small businesses go under and their employees get fired, while the big businesses also fire people (because with no ppp they have no financial incentive not to), and the big businesses also have the resources to weather the storm. No ppp means the big businesses actually have relatively more power and way more people get fired. everybody looting the country likes that people think there’s no alternative to PPP except going under
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Dec 16, 2020 23:37
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“Here’s just enough to survive, while I take my millions.” Thank you sir may I have another?
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Dec 16, 2020 23:39
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Stop accepting the bare minimum or expect the bare minimum.
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Dec 16, 2020 23:43
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Best Friends posted:I certainly don't see any alternative being proposed. People still got fired. Billionaires still made millions. This is another case of “it helped me so it must be good.” It’s not. You’re getting fleeced. You’re getting just enough of a hit to keep you satisfied til you need more. Just because it helped people doesn’t mean it should be accepted, because it’s helping people just to keep you off the rear end of the people who make the decisions.
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Dec 16, 2020 23:44
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Defenestrategy posted:Fam we just had an entire primary about this. Ok and that’s over. Don’t expect people to steer themselves left. I didn’t vote for Biden because I thought he would change the world. I voted for Biden because I think if we burn his loving house down he will be more likely to listen than Donald Trump. But we will shitpost and tweet because we are actually okay with the status quo.
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Dec 16, 2020 23:47
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Best Friends posted:Are you saying that more people should get fired? Il Yes that’s what I’m saying exactly.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I'm not sure what you're even arguing right now??? Nobody thinks the PPP is sufficient by itself (Well except maybe some Republican Senators but nobody here is one of those), or that large businesses didn't take advantage of it while smaller companies (The intended recipients) struggled. Direct payments, PPP, enhanced unemployment, all of these things are important tools to keep people alive and healthy during the pandemic, and all of them do so in different ways. Don’t thank people for giving you the bare minimum. Take what they give you and beat them over the head until they give you what you actually need. This is why this country loving sucks. We let ourselves get fleeced and accept it like it’s a big loving favor.
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Best Friends posted:That does literally seem like your argument yes. Ok
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Dec 16, 2020 23:50
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Cole I legitimately have no idea what you're trying to say or what you think I'm saying. It’s in pretty plain English dude. The PPP program is a loving fraud program meant to make people even more wealthy while doing *just enough* to keep people happy. It deserves absolutely no praise whatsoever. People shouldn’t be happy with it. They should be demanding significantly more.
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Dec 16, 2020 23:52
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Best Friends posted:The ppp helped a small nonprofit I work with a lot. To not have to pay the ppp loan back, the terms were explicit that the nonprofit couldn't fire people, and they didn't. They weren't going to fire people anyway but getting a bunch of free money when everything else went into the red was great. the billionaires who made millions off of PPP liked this post
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Dec 16, 2020 23:55
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Best Friends posted:gently caress dude. So you really want to see the nonprofit I'm involved with to go under and all the people they help get hosed over (I'd get more specific but I don't want to dox myself), because you want to see big businesses also fire more people. gently caress you. Yes, that’s exactly what i said.
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Dec 16, 2020 23:59
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drat. Billionaires have people lobbying for robbing taxpayers in this very thread. I guess the PPP worked as intended.
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orange juche posted:No, you posting is loving exhausting dude. I don’t care. Stop letting billionaires rob us blind. that is what’s loving exhausting.
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cerebral posted:
Because it’s actually socialism for the rich disguised as a program to help small/mid-sized businesses 
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Dec 17, 2020 00:06
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orange juche posted:What exactly do you suggest then? instead of coy bullshit edgyposting just throw it in the open dude. I already said that we accept getting railroaded by billionaires and will do nothing but say thank you and poo poo post about it. But if you really would like to know, I’m taking a class starting in January on organizing social movements. Maybe it will help, maybe it won’t. I previously took a class at this school that had a profound effect on my viewpoints regarding social justice, so I think it will provide me valuable information because I want to mobilize. If you’d like information on the class I’ll be taking, I can get it to you. There are still openings. Otherwise, what are you doing? Woofer fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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Dec 17, 2020 00:08
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orange juche posted:What is your concrete, actionable, solution to fix this, then? edgy posting on a dead comedy forum isn't it. I’m hoping that the education I receive in the class I’m taking will help provide clarity on that. Do you have any solutions, or are you doing any work to help you arrive at a solution? Again, anybody who wants info on the class is more than welcome. It’s virtual. The school had produced peace prize winners who have stopped civil wars in African countries, fwiw. E: also it costs $750 to take the class. You can do it for credit, for certification, or just because you want to learn. In fact, I will pay for one person to take the class with me. So at least I’m loving trying instead of just bending over and accepting whatever charity they decide we “deserve” Woofer fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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lightpole posted:The greedy will look to exploit any mechanism they can.
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Raerlynn posted:This is the inverse of the argument "We should cut unemployment because there's some dude eating lobster on his unemployment!" gently caress you prick What I’m getting from this thread is that if minimum wage went from $7.25 to $10, I shouldn’t bitch about minimum wage because hey, that raise would help a lot of people.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:26
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Acebuckeye13 posted:You're taking a very extreme attitude here—"It helped those who didn't need it in addition to those who did need it, therefore the program was a scam" The program is a scam. Yes. I agree. Give people just enough of a nibble to defend the scam and you don’t need to hire lobbyists anymore. How about this: if minimum wage goes up to $10, that will help millions of people. Can I still be pissed at how insignificant that help is, even though it benefits millions of people? Woofer fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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Dec 17, 2020 00:33
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orange juche posted:Cole, just go back to posting in cspam unless you've been ejected from there by the mods and that's the reason you came back here to make posts that throwing the baby out with the bathwater is actually a good thing that should be done. No
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If minimum wage goes up to $10, that will objectively benefit millions and millions of people. I would still criticize anyone who said “but it’s helped a lot of people” when I point out that it’s still a poo poo sandwich fed to you by billionaires to get you to shut the gently caress up for a little while, and you should absolutely not be happy about it. Take the raise, but don’t loving accept it.
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Dec 17, 2020 00:50
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lightpole posted:If you are starving and someone offers you a cheeseburger do you turn it down and hold out for breakfast, lunch and dinner? The GOP and Mitch have held a gun to the publics head, preventing direct payments, pushing loose requirements to recieve money, limiting liability etc. I'm not going to judge someone that takes the $10 increase because they loving need it. This doesn't mean they can't push for more but if you want them to hold out for it you better have a good loving plan. If I’m starving and a billionaire offers me a cheeseburger I’m eating the cheeseburger and then beating the poo poo out of the billionaire because they could’ve done way loving more. At no point will I say I’m no longer starving. Also in your scenario the billionaire is sitting in front of an all you can eat buffet, and they only offered me a loving cheeseburger. Woofer fucked around with this message at 01:01 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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I don’t know. I want people to organize. I am very obviously not the greatest at organizing because I’m so passionate about people getting equitable treatment that I obviously come across as confrontational. But I find myself not caring how confrontational I come across because I am so very loving pissed off at this country. The only thing I know to do right now is educate myself. So like I said, I will be taking a course in January specifically geared towards nonviolent mobilization for social change. The people teaching these courses are subject matter experts in this, because they’ve lived it. This school legitimately produces people who are able to go into their communities and enact change. I am trying to learn from people, because I’m all thumbs (figuratively and literally — at this point all I know how to do is bitch online). I’m loving trying, y’all. I’m about to have anger tears because I want everyone to be as angry and passionate about this poo poo as I am. I want everyone screaming from rooftops. I want everyone marching. I want everyone to fight, and to not stop fighting until we achieve equity in this loving country. I don’t give a flying gently caress what it will cost me. I’m so goddamn sick of people just complaining. I want people off their asses. Nothing will change unless. The Democrats aren’t going to steer themselves left. If we can’t steer them, then I want to build a brick loving wall for them to drive into. And I’m very obviously sick of people accepting crumbs from billionaires. gently caress those people (the billionaires). They don’t get to be satisfied because they gave my starving rear end a cheeseburger when they were sitting at a buffet. And nobody else should EVER loving be satisfied with that poo poo either. I don’t like some of you. Some of you don’t like me. But I want all of you to be taken care of. I don’t want any of you to have to worry about shelter, food, health insurance. And if it takes being an insufferable prick with unlimited arguing stamina, kicking some doors in or knocking some skulls around then so loving be it. Woofer fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Dec 17, 2020 |
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mlmp08 posted:That's fine. Just remember that others are doing that as well when you go off like this: If you’re on the sidelines waiting for the Democrats to steer left, you’re the enemy. This is a bit of an embellishment. I realize not everyone is built to fight for social change and I don’t expect everyone to participate. But if you’re not happy about it and just spend all day online complaining about it, realize that that widespread apathy is why we were in this situation.
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Stanley Goodspeed posted:Can you shoot me a PM about this? (or maybe I'll just click next page and find out you've already shared a link Sent I’m sorry for unleashing my anger. I’m not sorry for being angry or for my viewpoints. I’m stressed and I’m going to hang with Monty and work on a puzzle or something.
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