MCU TV: WHAT IF...CIVIL WAR (OVER IP FINANCING)

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Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Invalid Validation posted:

All the MCU superheroes are legit scary. We need a show that has people genuinely scared of them. All those people in New York when the Chitari invaded during Avengers 1? That was a super 9/11 and see how a normal 9/11 hosed us up.

Yeah see Marvel has been building to "the supermen are loving terrifying" rather than DC starting from a perspective of "Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen metacommentary!". And Wanda's powers were always vague and then got bigger and bigger until she was a reality warper. Reverse House of M is coming.

Lid fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Jan 30, 2021

# ¿ Jan 30, 2021 08:03

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 20:06

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

What if...

Wanda, so overcome with that her entire family is dead and gone, desperately wants everyone back she tries to bring back the people she lost starting with her first loss. Except when she does it a hole rips amd instead this happens.

# ¿ Jan 30, 2021 15:42

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

The World Inferno posted:

Given the upcoming Dr.Strange movie is explicitly about the multi-verse, chance ain't bad!

It kind of makes sense he is the only character to have two people portraying the same role at the same time due to the weird way X-Men and Avengers rights works. Spider-Man was the other choice but they're doing that in a different direction. Quicksilver also works because X-Men Quicksilver is 100% preferred over Avengers Quicksilver. Would also be a way to bring mutants into the MCU.

# ¿ Jan 31, 2021 04:41

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

The next main villain will be THE HIGH EVOLUTIONARY

# ¿ Jan 31, 2021 16:37

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Just caught up on the latest episode and

Lid posted:

What if...

Wanda, so overcome with that her entire family is dead and gone, desperately wants everyone back she tries to bring back the people she lost starting with her first loss. Except when she does it a hole rips amd instead this happens.

Lid posted:

It kind of makes sense he is the only character to have two people portraying the same role at the same time due to the weird way X-Men and Avengers rights works. Spider-Man was the other choice but they're doing that in a different direction. Quicksilver also works because X-Men Quicksilver is 100% preferred over Avengers Quicksilver. Would also be a way to bring mutants into the MCU.

*fistpumps* VINDICATION

# ¿ Feb 6, 2021 10:37

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

McSpanky posted:

In halcyon days of yore it didn't take omnimedia singularities concentrating every IP in existence to have cool crossovers

# ¿ Feb 8, 2021 11:53

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

i loved the Inhumans in the 90s when the only thing I ever read was Paul Jenkins and Jae Lee's Inhumans from the far too short lived Marvel Knights imprint. Its actually really good, and then because capitalism they made Earth X into the main marvel universe because they didnt own mutants anymore and everything went to poo poo.

I heard Warren Ellis did a Karnak comic that was good but Ellis is problematic now to say the least.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2021 09:33

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Comic books are just a ludicrously reader-hostile format now.

I stopped following them in the late 2000s and a few months back wanted to look up like a ranking of the best writer runs in comics of the last twenty years, namely where did Bendis' Daredevil and Brubaker's Captain America rank (they were #2 and #3 - Bendis' Daredevil is the best run on the character ever fight me - #1 was Morrison's Batman)

but the thing that stood out like a sore thumb was that only ONE comic run was post 2010. ONE. It was Brian K Vaughan's Saga. That was it. It was shocking. This listing wasn't just mainstream mainline comics either, BKV's Y: the Last Man was in there too for example, but that only ONE comic showed up in a decade was just depressing.

The 2000s felt like comics had finally gotten their footing as being something more than just well comic books giving writer driven projects time and space. Then everything went to poo poo.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2021 10:30

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

I may have been slightly wrong in that im pretty sure the listing would've included Tom King's Vision but it was still a vanishingly small amount.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2021 10:42

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE posted:

Extreme same. gently caress Geoff Johns forever. Fucker.

when i was earlier writing about how comics in the 2000s were good i should've asterixed that to how overhyped Geoff and Jeph Loeb both were.

loving people falling over themselves with Johns silver age obsession to make Hal Jordon the greatest ever and then Jeph Loeb wasn't written a good story in ever and went more and more insane

I didn't realise both of them had been pushed out hard and really really want to know what happened to both of them because it sounds reeeeal bad

# ¿ Feb 11, 2021 06:39

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

tsob posted:

You say that, but I'm honestly kind of shocked to see so much ragging on Loeb in this thread because while I hadn't even heard of the guy in years, I used to see almost nothing but positive chatter on him on other forums and in various Hollywood rags and chatter; though I imagine a lot of that was sympathy points for his dead son. Which it sounds like has worn out.

my memories of Loeb were he got good will with Dark Victory and Hush (which was essentially a retread of Dark Victory) and then his son died and he just lost his mind and had a breakdown that bled into his work and because he couldnt retread Dark Victory forever he instead pumped out some of the worst comics ever and yet kept getting more high profile work and promoted. Also he managed to sabotage Heroes.

He was protected by Joe Quesada which is a whole other load of poo poo

# ¿ Feb 11, 2021 12:06

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

The Animated Series in the only thing that got the clone saga right and dealt with multiple universe Spider-Men crossover decades in advance.

# ¿ Feb 12, 2021 04:31

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU3he81BOUQ

# ¿ Feb 12, 2021 04:34

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

I'm going real wild card

# ¿ Feb 12, 2021 08:36

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Gonz posted:

Holy fuckin� poo poo this 90�s intro.

it rules fam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZGN9fZvQhc

# ¿ Feb 12, 2021 09:10

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

WandaVision not doing Arrested Development is a missed opportunity.

# ¿ Feb 15, 2021 15:56

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

David Cross as Thanos.

# ¿ Feb 15, 2021 16:23

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Gaz-L posted:

I mean, the seminal TNC/Stelfreeze run on the comic (both Black creators) which hugely influenced Coogler and the art team on the film was explicitly about reforming the Wakandan government to a constitutional monarchy with an elected council representing the tribes.

gently caress that go full Reginald Hudlin and have them have the cure for cancer and cure for AIDS as a secret for no reason.

# ¿ Feb 15, 2021 17:07

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

The X-man cometh posted:

Absolute monarchies are a western construct to begin with.

... this is empirically wrong. The hell?

# ¿ Feb 15, 2021 17:23

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Barry Convex posted:

these sorts of docs tend to be pretty bland, but this is airing the week after the finale so it could potentially be more interesting given that it can get into the entire series

https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1361676709179891718

DISassembled

# ¿ Feb 16, 2021 15:55

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

The man in witness protection is Vincent D'Onofrio as Wilson Fisk and will tie in directly to the new Spider-Man film with Kingpin joining the rogues gallery. I base this on nothing but that he was too good.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2021 17:14

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

My hope is that they bring in all the Avengers

All of them

I want MCU Jack of Hearts, Triathlon, Moon Dragon, D-Man, Swordsman...

Unironically i expect Thunderstrike to be in Thor.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2021 07:43

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Alchenar posted:

It's Robert Downey Jr in witness protection, he faked his death with the infinity stones so that he could retire.

Its Dexter and his log cabin is in the woods there. Scott Buck merging universes.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2021 14:15

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Barry Convex posted:

WandaVision renewed for season 2, first trailer

https://twitter.com/kevcanfhimself/status/1362495716761960451?s=21

... is this a sequel to We Need To Talk About Kevin?

# ¿ Feb 19, 2021 06:23

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

The Great Lakes Avengers.

# ¿ Feb 19, 2021 07:04

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Slingers

mostly because I may have been the only person to really enjoy both the Slingers storyline in Spider-Man and the Slingers mini series.

# ¿ Feb 19, 2021 07:08

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Necrothatcher posted:

It'd be pretty stupid if the show revealed in episode 7 that there's been a magical villain pulling the strings all along, then in episode 8 revealed there'd been another, bigger, magical villain pulling that villain's strings.

i am all for Wandavision's ending being a shot for shot re-enactment of Metal Gear Solid 2's ending.

# ¿ Feb 20, 2021 11:26

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Jedit posted:

Something I haven't seen mentioned yet but is worth speculating on:

Wanda's powers code to red and alter reality, while Vision's code to yellow and he can affect minds. Now we have Monica the astronaut with blue powers and Agnes with purple powers that manipulate other powers. Respectively they map perfectly to the Reality, Mind, Space and Power Stones. We also know Strange is coming, still with the powers related to the Time Stone. Which begs the question: where is the orange Soul Stone?

The Guardians of the Galaxy 2 post-credits scene

Or am I the only one who remembers that?

# ¿ Feb 20, 2021 18:11

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

In the biggest twist of all Michael Fassbender will appear but say his name is Xorn.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2021 16:55

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Technowolf posted:

FTFY

MCU Maggott when

# ¿ Feb 22, 2021 03:40

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

You can never have too many spikes

Chuck in super agility as well and we're halfway to a Squirrel Girl origin

# ¿ Feb 23, 2021 11:51

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

in the meantime post your favourite spiky marvel characters

Lid fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Feb 24, 2021

# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 09:15

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Better than how I spent today reading about how its 2021 and Greg Land is still employed.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 10:14

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Djarum posted:

I actually asked that question to a higher up at Marvel years ago off the record. Basically it is because he is evidently a really nice guy personally, his rate is REALLY low and he always comes in ahead of deadline. Granted the tracing stuff has always been a problem, especially the porn stuff which I guess he was warned to cease doing at a certain point. I guess him ripping off other artists for that Alien cover a few months ago caused some major problems since it is a bad look to rip off the people who you are reprinting and likely not paying again. I wonder if Marvel paid them off, since there wasn’t a lawsuit I assume that happened.

The always meet deadlines argument was used for Chuck Austen, Jeph Loeb and Scott Buck too. Better to have a late project by a marginal artist than an on time one with a hack.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 11:14

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Unkempt posted:

Did anyone ever own up to why they made Speedball edgy and thought it was a good idea? Like it was so over the top edgy but played entirely straight initially and they seemed to think it would get popular.

A masochist kink superpower only works in things like Sleeper.

# ¿ Feb 24, 2021 22:45

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Everyone posted:

I stated it up-thread, but I don't have a problem with Agatha being "the villain." The real question for me is "Who is singing the Agatha All Along" song?

I mean, consider the song with altered lyrics:

Who's been messing up everything?
It's been The Jews all along
Who's been pulling every evil string?
It's been The Jews all along

And it's revealed that the person singing this song is Hitler.

The point being that just because the song/show has "outed" Agatha as "the villain" does not mean she actually is one.

The things that Agatha has been "messing up" are Wanda's things in terms of keeping her sitcom heaven. Those things need to get messed up.

Killing Sparky was bad, but consider that the result of that was Wanda giving her children a talk about grieving and accepting death - a talk that Wanda herself desperately needed to receive.

Quoting before this gets edited out

# ¿ Feb 25, 2021 00:28

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Sash! posted:

Definitely a skeleton I can't figure out

Its Sans.

# ¿ Feb 26, 2021 05:25

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Well having finished Wandavision all I can say is it didn't change much from the formula from the Netflix Marvel shows in that it has no idea how to end the story they've written and just lets things flicker out. It was an anticlimax but directed through the lens of portrayed as being a giant climax. Just all around odd and feels like they didn't know what to do with the threads they'd created so just ignored them JJ Abrams style while screaming "IT'S ABOUT THE CHARACTERS".

# ¿ Mar 7, 2021 13:13

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Junkenstein posted:

Thanks to this thread I found out that Captain Midlands exists. I thought that Union Jack was the British Captain America equivalent. Captain Midlands has really done me.

Is there a Captain Cornwall? Captain East Anglia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth:_Red,_White_%26_Black

# ¿ Mar 10, 2021 14:52

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# ¿ Apr 26, 2024 20:06

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Gandalf is an angel like Starbuck in BSG

# ¿ Mar 10, 2021 17:10

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