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Yeah, I do emphasize with him on Traviss' Mando wank but he should've handled that a lot better.
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Feb 6, 2021 23:57
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Sabotaging Legacy and trying to kill off Traviss's poo poo makes him more sympathetic, not less. (still awful, however)
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If Traviss had just made more Republic Commando books, or the "Mandos in the New Republic era"/"Boba becomes Lord Mandalore" plot had been a separate side series I would have been so much happier. I honestly really liked the characters, and the perspective of groups that hated the Jedi but weren't just dark side users of various stripes, but forcing all that into an ongoing plot just didn't work
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Her Republic Commando books are great. I picked them up over the last couple of years just because the game was so fun and I was curious about the tie-in. Happily the rest of the slapfight is stuff published when I wasn't paying attention and also in series I haven't bothered to go looking for since.
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Chairman Capone posted:
do they ever actually like rescue his sister or whatever. because i had the comics and they never really go anywhere outside i think rescuing fel's sister and someone shoots some rear end in a top hat through the head while he is holding a kid MJ style over a balcony and the brawny butch coded lady pilot (who is a secret princess who killed her brother after he got brainwashed by vader) catches said kid. T___A posted:Yeah, I do emphasize with him on Traviss' Mando wank but he should've handled that a lot better. i will say i like the disney/clone wars ideas of the mandos, that they kinda have the whole Klingon warrior society poo poo but there are different levels of devotion and poo poo but you also see that they are all kinda assholes. i also like that the empire goes full ceasars legion on their asses and they either got subsumed into the empire OR they get slaughtered/driven underground.
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jivjov posted:If Traviss had just made more Republic Commando books, or the "Mandos in the New Republic era"/"Boba becomes Lord Mandalore" plot had been a separate side series I would have been so much happier. I honestly really liked the characters, and the perspective of groups that hated the Jedi but weren't just dark side users of various stripes, but forcing all that into an ongoing plot just didn't work I really liked Hard Contact, but in retrospect looking it back over it's clear that a lot of the seeds for her insanity were there from the start. Has she ever commented on The Mandalorian? I have to imagine she's at least glad that the word "beskar" is a lasting contribution of hers. Dapper_Swindler posted:do they ever actually like rescue his sister or whatever. because i had the comics and they never really go anywhere outside i think rescuing fel's sister and someone shoots some rear end in a top hat through the head while he is holding a kid MJ style over a balcony and the brawny butch coded lady pilot (who is a secret princess who killed her brother after he got brainwashed by vader) catches said kid. If I remember right, this was supposed to be shown in the comic but the series was canceled early (in what feels now like a kind of soft-reset that Dark Horse did in 1998/99 to pave the way for the prequel tie-ins). The idea was that going to be part of a tie-in miniseries to Zahn's later Thrawn books that would show how Baron Fel was recruited by Thrawn, but that also never came about.
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Feb 7, 2021 21:04
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Hard Contact through True Colors work for the same reason that Mandalorian works. It's a genre story told through the lens of Star Wars rather than Star Wars trying to do star wars with bits of a genre. Order 66 on the other hand is a pretty bad book and 501st was rushed out before traviss quit the franchise and both of them ended up trying to tie into her much weaker LOTF novels. It's one thing to write military science fiction where soldiers feel so disassociated from society that they make their own society to be free from the whims of an uncaring government but it does not work at all when you suddenly have established characters espouse the same ideals because Traviss didn't know or didn't care to write major characters without applying her world view. The first three Commando books are very good but they just fall apart when they tie into her terrible lotf novels.
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Feb 7, 2021 21:38
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Why was Traviss even brought on to write for LoTF? It makes sense that she wrote Republic Commando because that kind of fiction is her shtick.
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I dont think they had any idea what to do with Legacy of the Force since every author was doing their pet storylines and occasionally dipping into the actual plot. Allston was doing a Han and Wedge adventure, Traviss was doing Mando Renaissance and Denning was writing a sequel to the bugnest orgies. It honestly feels like the higher ups who authorized the story didn't have any actual oversight and didn't care as long as the authors included the necessary story beats in the overarching plot. They just picked three authors whose stories were popular in the EU st the to and told then to make a story.
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In depth retrospective piece on that era and part of the EU would be interesting. The pre TV show Clone Wars people seemed to have their poo poo together.
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I dont know if they actually did have their poo poo together. The New Essential Chronology has more than its share of errors in it but it mostly succeeded in the monumental task of charting the in-universe history of the galaxy in a way that made logical sense. But if you look at individual stories you have to wonder if anyone knew what the overall plan was.
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Feb 8, 2021 02:50
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Chairman Capone posted:If I remember right, this was supposed to be shown in the comic but the series was canceled early (in what feels now like a kind of soft-reset that Dark Horse did in 1998/99 to pave the way for the prequel tie-ins). The idea was that going to be part of a tie-in miniseries to Zahn's later Thrawn books that would show how Baron Fel was recruited by Thrawn, but that also never came about. I could have sworn that one of the Thrawn books or in a comic, they explicitly said they cloned Fel for the TIE fighter corps. Or am misremembering books and comics I last read 10+ years ago?
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ScottyJSno posted:I could have sworn that one of the Thrawn books or in a comic, they explicitly said they cloned Fel for the TIE fighter corps. Or am misremembering books and comics I last read 10+ years ago? That was in the Hand of Thrawn duology, where a group of Fel clones had been planted as sleeper agents on a remote agricultural world, and then when their wakeup signal came they decided to defect to the New Republic because they loved farming too much.
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Anshu posted:That was in the Hand of Thrawn duology, where a group of Fel clones had been planted as sleeper agents on a remote agricultural world, and then when their wakeup signal came they decided to defect to the New Republic because they loved farming too much. Oh my god I had forgotten this. It's such a small plot point it gets practically lost among the rest of the kooky adventures in those books lol
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Feb 8, 2021 05:08
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Anshu posted:That was in the Hand of Thrawn duology, where a group of Fel clones had been planted as sleeper agents on a remote agricultural world, and then when their wakeup signal came they decided to defect to the New Republic because they loved farming too much. That's the stuff. Thanks.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I dont know if they actually did have their poo poo together. The New Essential Chronology has more than its share of errors in it but it mostly succeeded in the monumental task of charting the in-universe history of the galaxy in a way that made logical sense. But if you look at individual stories you have to wonder if anyone knew what the overall plan was. That's probably true of the general EU but if T___A was referring to the original Clone Wars series of works from 2002-05 then I think that was pretty closely coordinated, at least in terms of getting people from LucasArts, Dark Horse, Del Rey, and a general Lucasfilm continuity staff all together to have a general overarching idea and develop shared original characters like Ventress.
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Chairman Capone posted:
yeah. i remember reading the essential guide and than scouring for the comics but yeah that makes sense. Arcsquad12 posted:I dont know if they actually did have their poo poo together. The New Essential Chronology has more than its share of errors in it but it mostly succeeded in the monumental task of charting the in-universe history of the galaxy in a way that made logical sense. But if you look at individual stories you have to wonder if anyone knew what the overall plan was. galactic warfare also ties a bunch of poo poo together too. like they tie together the dumbass villian from crystal star and make him allies with fyra and dessann from outcast and their whole movement is called "empire reborn". poo poo like that.
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Episode 2 of the Dark Empire fan animation adaptation has been released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIM76LKh6zs I like how he uses the Rise of Skywalker look/cyborg frame for Palpatine in a nice bit of turnabout.
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Chairman Capone posted:Episode 2 of the Dark Empire fan animation adaptation has been released: 
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Feb 9, 2021 07:41
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Does he have stairs in his Jedi temple?
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cptn_dr posted:Does he have stairs in his Jedi temple? Is R2-D2 the pusher robot or the shover robot?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCHJwu7ozwo ScottyJSno posted:I could have sworn that one of the Thrawn books or in a comic, they explicitly said they cloned Fel for the TIE fighter corps. Or am misremembering books and comics I last read 10+ years ago? idk. the fel stuff is weird because most of the poo poo never even ends up in books or anything. he just became this cool Imp mary sue who had some cool comic moments but than never did anything.
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ScottyJSno posted:I could have sworn that one of the Thrawn books or in a comic, they explicitly said they cloned Fel for the TIE fighter corps. Or am misremembering books and comics I last read 10+ years ago? Sooontir Fel and his clone of a clone Soooontir Fel
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Baron Fel himself is kind of odd in that outside of the last few volumes of the X-Wing comic, he doesn't really appear in any stories. He has a cameo in one of the Crispin Solo books, and I think one or two of the NJO books. So the character casts this long shadow that's basically bolstered by references and sourcebook stuff but his actual appearances are almost nil. Kind of like Thrawn in that way, actually, at least before the endless Thrawn prequel appearances. Actually looking it up now on Wookieepedia, the 181st Squadron itself is not really in a lot of stories, which surprises me. I feel like I remembered them showing up everywhere in the old EU.
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Feb 12, 2021 23:01
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Chairman Capone posted:Baron Fel himself is kind of odd in that outside of the last few volumes of the X-Wing comic, he doesn't really appear in any stories. He has a cameo in one of the Crispin Solo books, and I think one or two of the NJO books. So the character casts this long shadow that's basically bolstered by references and sourcebook stuff but his actual appearances are almost nil. Kind of like Thrawn in that way, actually, at least before the endless Thrawn prequel appearances. Yeah, looking at it myself, it surprises me as well. Granted, the books where they do show up (Or more often, get mentioned) include the Wraith Squadron books, and they weren't invented until 1997, by which point a good amount of the old EU set during the years shortly after RotJ was already written and things would soon be swinging toward the prequels and the NJO.
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Feb 12, 2021 23:14
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Chairman Capone posted:Baron Fel himself is kind of odd in that outside of the last few volumes of the X-Wing comic, he doesn't really appear in any stories. He has a cameo in one of the Crispin Solo books, and I think one or two of the NJO books. So the character casts this long shadow that's basically bolstered by references and sourcebook stuff but his actual appearances are almost nil. Kind of like Thrawn in that way, actually, at least before the endless Thrawn prequel appearances. exactly. he is more meta made history than anything in canon. thrawn was at least in other books and comics and games and poo poo even if it was cameos.
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Feb 12, 2021 23:20
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Chairman Capone posted:Baron Fel himself is kind of odd in that outside of the last few volumes of the X-Wing comic, he doesn't really appear in any stories. He has a cameo in one of the Crispin Solo books, and I think one or two of the NJO books. So the character casts this long shadow that's basically bolstered by references and sourcebook stuff but his actual appearances are almost nil. Kind of like Thrawn in that way, actually, at least before the endless Thrawn prequel appearances. If you played Rogue Squadron they kinda played a big-ish part in the middle of the game. It's where I heard of them and since I didn't read a whole lot of EU stuff I also thought they must be a big deal if a video game is referencing them.
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I didn't know about Soontir Fel until I played the X-Wing miniatures game. He *completely* warped the meta for the game so it was hard not to pay attention to him. It's funny to hear he's not really in much otherwise.
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the 181st couldn't have shown up more often and also remained the most elite tie interceptor squadron in the empire, because wedge is obligated to blow up at least 30 tie fighters whenever he gets into an x-wing
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There was some neat Rogue Squadron stuff planned that never saw the light of day, like The Reenlistment of Baron Fel. And one of the things sadly lost in the collapse of WEG was the Rogue Squadron Sourcebook.
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Jazerus posted:the 181st couldn't have shown up more often and also remained the most elite tie interceptor squadron in the empire, because wedge is obligated to blow up at least 30 tie fighters whenever he gets into an x-wing Well as TIE Fighter taught me, the whole "you gotta complete 20 missions in a regular TIE to become an Interceptor pilot" thing is bullshit because I was in an Interceptor pilot by the 4th mission, so obviously they just keep replacing pilots as fast as Wedge can destroy them 
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Presumably you did 17 other completely unremarkable patrols.
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Stele did nothing unremarkable. His unremarkable tours were a front for the secret order. That spaceside traffic stop? Secret mission. Getting coffee for the Admiral? Secret mission. Resupplying assault gunboats using a missile tug? Secret. Mission. Objective Completed! The Emperor will be pleased!
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Found someone on Tiktok that says she was named after Jaina Solo.
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T___A posted:Found someone on Tiktok that says she was named after Jaina Solo. Probably not the same one, but one of the hosts of Star Wars Beyond the Films named his first daughter Jaina.
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I'm pretty sure I saw someone recently who named their daughter Allana. That's commitment. There are a few Star Wars podcast people who named their son Anakin.
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I mean Allana isn't that out of the ordinary.
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just so long as we don't get a callista...
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Jazerus posted:just so long as we don't get a callista... Don’t tell Harrison Ford.
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