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Stunt_enby
Feb 6, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Orv posted:

They did, yeah and both of those were really good expansions. I still don't think that makes two years to release a map a good look for any game, regardless of the level of detail (random trash scattered everywhere with rare or no meaningful gameplay impact) and to be fair that's also about the time scale that Hunt, Tarkov's basically only competitor is at for a new map, so it's hardly a Tarkov only problem.

The Entitled Gamer

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Cage Kicker
Feb 20, 2009

End of the fiscal year, bitch.
MP's got time to order pens for year year, hooah?


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sum posted:

And Lighthouse!

Tarkov's absurdly detailed maps are one of the best things about it, BSG can take as long as they drat please imo

Lighthouse hasn't even been released yet? We were listing the maps that have been expanded

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

I won't be happy until they add in the nuclear plant, which will become either part of woods or customs.

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

aniviron posted:

I won't be happy until they add in the nuclear plant, which will become either part of woods or customs.

I’d love a hosed up nuke plant to explore on Woods.

ShowTime
Mar 28, 2005
The nuclear plant will be cool. Especially if you gradually take radiation poisoning and die if you are on the map too long. There are even medicines that reduce radiation in game, iirc.

sum
Nov 15, 2010

Cage Kicker posted:

Lighthouse hasn't even been released yet? We were listing the maps that have been expanded

It's supposed to come out in 12.11, before Streets


e:

ShowTime posted:

The nuclear plant will be cool. Especially if you gradually take radiation poisoning and die if you are on the map too long. There are even medicines that reduce radiation in game, iirc.

The AI-2 IRL has radioactivity exposure meds. It'd be a fun gimmick if it was the meta at the power plant

sum fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Mar 28, 2021

Cage Kicker
Feb 20, 2009

End of the fiscal year, bitch.
MP's got time to order pens for year year, hooah?


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sum posted:

It's supposed to come out in 12.11, before Streets

we were talking about maps that have already been released, that have been expanded. figure it out

sum
Nov 15, 2010

I think mentioning the other map that BSG are about to release is fair thing to put on the pile of "things the BSG mappers have been doing that have made the development of Streets take awhile"

ShowTime
Mar 28, 2005
It would be kind of neat if you had to use masks and poo poo on the power plant map too. And heal after the raid like you do if you are poisoned by a cultist. Almost make it like a labs-esque map where there is a cost to enter, albeit via meds, gear, etc. Fill it with tech equipment and make it like an alternative to Interchange where you can find the rarer spawns of technical equipment. Raiders in hazmat suits would be sweet too.

FileNotFound
Jul 17, 2005


ShowTime posted:

It would be kind of neat if you had to use masks and poo poo on the power plant map too. And heal after the raid like you do if you are poisoned by a cultist. Almost make it like a labs-esque map where there is a cost to enter, albeit via meds, gear, etc. Fill it with tech equipment and make it like an alternative to Interchange where you can find the rarer spawns of technical equipment. Raiders in hazmat suits would be sweet too.

Make it so that hideout has to build a decontamination chamber for you to be able to go there - easy way to level lock the gear there and maintain some form of progression.

Avoids the power creep reserve raiders have created.

InevitableCheese
Jul 10, 2015

quite a pickle you've got there
Thinking back to other devcasts, wasn’t the main thing about Streets is it’s their biggest map yet, and is supposedly going to support 40 players at once? All the time and delays have been working with Unity optimization to get 40 players running smoothly (it probably still won’t).

Malefitz
Jun 19, 2018

Incoming Chinchilla posted:

Is there a good map for Reserve?

I've been using https://mapgenie.io/tarkov/maps/woods for the others, but Reserve is paywalled.

I use Tarkov Tools for maps and ammo:
https://tarkov-tools.com/maps/

I'm not sure of it had been mentioned before, but https://tarkov.guru/ is incredible for hideout profits and more. I've been using it for weeks and my crafting makes good coin

TskMgr
Aug 26, 2009
I'm building a new PC this week and hoping to start playing this again, Have they done anything significant about the stutters/hackers? What's the general state of the game since around the end of 2019?

ShowTime
Mar 28, 2005

TskMgr posted:

I'm building a new PC this week and hoping to start playing this again, Have they done anything significant about the stutters/hackers? What's the general state of the game since around the end of 2019?

I have the best PC you can think of and I recently started getting the stutters/minor freezes that happen when a player scav loads in (supposedly). I didn't for awhile but in the past week they started up again.

Supposedly the next patch is suppose to have some fixes. Hackers are and will forever be a thing but I haven't run into one yet. I think they only really exist on Labs.

Stunt_enby
Feb 6, 2010

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

InevitableCheese posted:

Thinking back to other devcasts, wasn’t the main thing about Streets is it’s their biggest map yet, and is supposedly going to support 40 players at once? All the time and delays have been working with Unity optimization to get 40 players running smoothly (it probably still won’t).
i'll believe this when i see it but holy gently caress, this is a wet dream for my rat self

Bucnasti
Aug 14, 2012

I'll Fetch My Sarcasm Robes
Streets is also supposed to contain Labs, as in you will have to load into Streets and make your way to the labs entrance with a keycard in order to get to the second map. It's the first step to their open world.
It sounds like it's going to be horrible in the most hilarious ways possible.

William Henry Hairytaint
Oct 29, 2011



Bucnasti posted:

Streets is also supposed to contain Labs, as in you will have to load into Streets and make your way to the labs entrance with a keycard in order to get to the second map. It's the first step to their open world.
It sounds like it's going to be horrible in the most hilarious ways possible.

It's the dumbest thing they could possibly imagine and I hope it never actually happens. gently caress open world Tarkov, too.

InevitableCheese
Jul 10, 2015

quite a pickle you've got there
It’ll be interesting to watch as the beta raid loop people have come to love is removed. I’m honestly excited for the game to be more like Stalker and less like the game we know today, but I can’t imagine it’ll help its popularity.

I wonder if at this point they haven’t considered abandoning the future plans and making this game in its current form a “live service”.

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.

ShowTime posted:

It would be kind of neat if you had to use masks and poo poo on the power plant map too. And heal after the raid like you do if you are poisoned by a cultist. Almost make it like a labs-esque map where there is a cost to enter, albeit via meds, gear, etc. Fill it with tech equipment and make it like an alternative to Interchange where you can find the rarer spawns of technical equipment. Raiders in hazmat suits would be sweet too.

There would also be potential for electric, chemical and biological hazards too. Though, I'd implement electric and chemical hazards in factory first and biological with the labs.

Gucci Loafers
May 20, 2006

Ask yourself, do you really want to talk to pair of really nice gaudy shoes?


William Henry Hairytaint posted:

It's the dumbest thing they could possibly imagine and I hope it never actually happens. gently caress open world Tarkov, too.

I'm really looking forward to Arena Tarkov but I wish they had left it as merely just another game mode.

Eat The Rich
Feb 10, 2018



i uh, i made a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiKdLGwhMyE

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

FileNotFound posted:

Nah - labs isn't the land of free loot for chads that you think it is.


labs is by far the most consistent money maker for good players, but only after a large cheater banwave

this game has a MASSIVE cheater problem, at least half of my labs deaths are from blatant cheaters (not just getting owned, but like speeding around the corner and killing your 3 stack)

that being said, i still net money running labs all day

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE
as for changes, remove FiR market restriction, restrict accounts under level 25 from* being able to sell on the flea, remove the bitcoin farm and you've made the game 20x healthier

oh, and make it so you can only buy the cheapest item on the market at any given time, basically fixing market based rmt

1001 Arabian dicks fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Mar 29, 2021

tokenbrownguy
Apr 1, 2010

no

Cage Kicker
Feb 20, 2009

End of the fiscal year, bitch.
MP's got time to order pens for year year, hooah?


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Removing the flea market entirely except for barter items would be the play. If you can buy it from a vendor, no flea.

FileNotFound
Jul 17, 2005


1001 Arabian dicks posted:

labs is by far the most consistent money maker for good players, but only after a large cheater banwave



With 1.8M GPUs and 180k water filters Interchange with 0 cost of entry and insurance returns disagrees. But to each his own.

FileNotFound
Jul 17, 2005


Cage Kicker posted:

Removing the flea market entirely except for barter items would be the play. If you can buy it from a vendor, no flea.

Yeah great idea - gently caress newbies having M61 before level 30...

No good ammo for anyone except poopsockers!

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

*Waddles out of OLI back offices with 8 CPUs and 5 CPU fans stuffed in bags*

Yeah man Labs is too good of money nerf that poo poo.

*Walks fifty feet to Techlite and slides GPU into butt*

FileNotFound
Jul 17, 2005


Bussamove posted:

*Waddles out of OLI back offices with 8 CPUs and 5 CPU fans stuffed in bags*

Yeah man Labs is too good of money nerf that poo poo.

*Walks fifty feet to Techlite and slides GPU into butt*

It used to be a true statement when GPUs capped out at ~500k.

The current pricing for GPUs is highest it's ever been in EFT.

Cage Kicker
Feb 20, 2009

End of the fiscal year, bitch.
MP's got time to order pens for year year, hooah?


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FileNotFound posted:

Yeah great idea - gently caress newbies having M61 before level 30...

No good ammo for anyone except poopsockers!

Imagine thinking people shouldn't be rewarded for putting effort into a game. Do you think it was unfair you had to kill bosses to get the best weapons in WoW too?

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

Cage Kicker posted:

Imagine thinking people shouldn't be rewarded for putting effort into a game. Do you think it was unfair you had to kill bosses to get the best weapons in WoW too?

Imagine thinking that just because your level is higher you should be able to clown on people effortlessly because of ammo advantage.

Bullets on the flea is good actually.

aniviron
Sep 11, 2014

FileNotFound posted:

The current pricing for GPUs is highest it's ever been in EFT.

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE
wearables should bypass fir restriction at the very least

Cage Kicker
Feb 20, 2009

End of the fiscal year, bitch.
MP's got time to order pens for year year, hooah?


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Bussamove posted:

Imagine thinking that just because your level is higher you should be able to clown on people effortlessly because of ammo advantage.

Bullets on the flea is good actually.

So what point is there to questing and levelling up the traders if any joe casual can just grind to level 10 and buy whatever anyways? Someone who barely plays absolutely shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with someone putting in the work.

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

Cage Kicker posted:

So what point is there to questing and levelling up the traders if any joe casual can just grind to level 10 and buy whatever anyways? Someone who barely plays absolutely shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with someone putting in the work.

Someone who barely plays won't be able to compete because they won't have the roubles to buy the good stuff? But substituting roubles for experience/time played is a perfectly valid way to do it.

FileNotFound
Jul 17, 2005


Cage Kicker posted:

So what point is there to questing and levelling up the traders if any joe casual can just grind to level 10 and buy whatever anyways? Someone who barely plays absolutely shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with someone putting in the work.

Low cost access to the same gear. That's always been the main reason.

Cage Kicker posted:

Someone who barely plays absolutely shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with someone putting in the work.

They should. For a price.

You were accusing me of wanting an "I Win" button - and yet here you are saying you should be able to grind for an "I Win" button....ok....

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

Cage Kicker posted:

Someone who barely plays absolutely shouldn't be able to go toe to toe with someone putting in the work.

absolutely wrong, the game is fundamentally a skill based game, a good player should always have a major advantage over a bad one all else being the same.

grinding should simply make things more affordable, not unlock battle changing items/gear that others who've not put the time in could never acquire

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE
they should rework the bitcoin into some socialist UBI thing where it's a relatively small amount of money (30-70k a day) but only needs to be touched weekly to get all the gains from. it should be super easy to acquire and should be an easy, constant source of a little money so casuals can actually acquire some key items that allow them to bridge the gear gap.

Hooplah
Jul 15, 2006


Bussamove posted:

Imagine thinking that just because your level is higher you should be able to clown on people effortlessly because of ammo advantage.

Bullets on the flea is good actually.

personally auction houses in general make games less fun for me. it turns every single item i pick up into a question of how much roubles a thing is worth vs. the slots i have available. when every item is perfectly liquid, i don't care what i need for my hideout or quests because i can just pick up whatever's highest value, liquidate, and buy whatever i need because supply is nearly infinite on everything but the most sought after things.

i vastly prefer limited liquidity and barter economies so things slow the hell down. obviously as the game stands now it's balanced around flea access at level 10. things would need to be moved around a bit and rebalanced, but I have no qualms with knowing the best poo poo is locked behind a bunch of quests and rep grinding, or assassinating unlucky high level players.

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Bucnasti
Aug 14, 2012

I'll Fetch My Sarcasm Robes
I like the idea that the bitcoin farm is kinda a gamble. They should change it to key the prices on something else other than real world BC prices. Ideally something in game. Then the prices could be kept under control and people could speculate on their value.

Also if you grind for rep/quests/unlocks or you grind for roubles, it's still a grind, you're still putting in the hours so I don't give a poo poo which way you get your gear as long as it's not through cheating or RMT.

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