Couch Chat: How the gentle wind, beckons through the trees...

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DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Josh Lyman posted:

I watched 4 episodes of The Stand and it's trash garbage and I refuse to watch anymore.

I'm going to stick with it if only because King wrote the final episode and had intimated that he wanted to do right by a character he felt he short-changed in the book.

The rest though? A really good cast trying hard to make some bad material work. I'm never going to understand the decision to structure it the way they have.

Also:

https://twitter.com/EricVespe/status/1350161689619144708?s=19

# ¿ Jan 16, 2021 18:24

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# ¿ Sep 27, 2023 15:14

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Chairman Capone posted:

Wasn't it originally written for ten episodes, and after the ten episodes were written, they were told to condense it into nine episodes? I thought I had also heard that after the series was shot, they then edited some more down after the coronavirus outbreak started.

From what I've seen with the creators, they swear it was always structured this way. It's why I don't think a fan edit trying to put it back in order would work.

# ¿ Jan 17, 2021 11:20

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

I'm fairly early in on TED LASSO, partly because with episode 2 (the thing with the photo) I was sure the show was about to go down a road I wasn't that interested in, but the third episode was a lovely twist on what I thought was coming.

It's funny that I knew Brett Goldstein (who pays Roy Kent) from his podcast Movies To Be Buried with, which is a delight. He also sounds completely different. It's worth checking out though, he's had some great guests on.

# ¿ Jan 22, 2021 15:02

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

ONE YEAR LATER posted:

What's the issue here other than the idea of dissection being gross? We dissected worms, frogs, and fetal pigs in high school, and dissected cats in freshman level anatomy/physiology in college. It's says right there that people who felt uncomfortable weren't forced to do it.

Yeah I get the general grossness of dissecting cats to begin with, but it's not like production killed them first. No one got forced, everyone got paid. Seems like a non story to me.

# ¿ Feb 10, 2021 14:34

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

ANY GIVEN SUNDAY is good, actually.

# ¿ Feb 15, 2021 09:15

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Hughmoris posted:

Probably the same group that thought Shannon was stabbed.

I was in the thread for that when it happened and it went on for the better part of a week. People just lost their loving minds.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2021 16:22

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

bull3964 posted:

From last week:

Weird that the best season is the one that Gaiman had the least to do with and which deviated from his book the most (while he whined about it). One of the stories out of Season 2 were that McShane and others were having to re-write on set because the dialogue they were getting was awful.

Anyway, Jim Belushi is tweeting about how he's learning lines from a script again and a new David Lynch show starts shooting next month. I refuse to believe it's a coincidence.

# ¿ Mar 30, 2021 14:43

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Junkenstein posted:

Why only give 'hints' though? It's not treated as some massive twist with a big reveal. It was silly not having '20 years earlier' cards.

Because they knew that people would be able to pick it up without a card. Which most did. It's not giving 'hints' like a big mystery, it's just not telling you outright either. There's nothing wrong with not bludgeoning the audience over the head at all times.

# ¿ Mar 31, 2021 12:14

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Chris James 2 posted:

https://twitter.com/angelicabastien/status/1382393808055336961?s=20

Spoilers but yeah this show sucks and the worst thing that could have happened and did happen from Jordan Peele’s success is “white people in the industry making their own knockoffs like Them and Antebellum with worse twists and more torture of black people”

The writers and creators are black though aren't they? I saw her thread yesterday and personally I have some issues with it. I don't disagree with what she says about the show, and I understand that it seems as though the only shows with Black people at the front and centre are ones that are about 'trauma', so of course I get why people pull back from that. THEM in particular feels a bit - though I hate the phrase - torture porn-y and I think it hides that by being about a serious subject.

However, she then follows it up with...

https://twitter.com/angelicabastien/status/1382394574140813317?s=19

And to me that's straying a little too close to THEM as being an Absolute bad and furthermore if you dare praise any aspect of it then can you really call yourself an ally?

# ¿ Apr 15, 2021 09:42

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Yeah Lena Waithe was also involved with QUEEN AND SLIM, which also had similar backlash. And like I said I totally get where those points of view come from. Though the creator and writer of all the episodes is a dude named Little Marvin who hasn't really done anything of note before. I just wanted to highlight the name Little Marvin.

Current criticism is starting to get way too comfortable with the idea that the Art should be a reflection of your personal beliefs, and that expressing an acceptance of that Art - even though you might personally disagree with it - is somehow a reflection of you.

# ¿ Apr 15, 2021 12:30

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Any time a show does a jump to the future like that there's invariably the gag about how some side character who's been the butt of jokes for the entire show is now like the head of Amazon or something. Lazy stuff.

# ¿ Apr 16, 2021 12:56

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Michael Che still has the thinnest skin in the business. Clocked that a largely positive review wasn't positive enough and went on one of his traditional bits.

https://twitter.com/CraigSJ/status/1391966439100370946?s=19

At least he's not defending Colin Jost from those mean critics this time.

# ¿ May 11, 2021 09:09

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Ha I just came to post that, but I liked this detail too.

https://twitter.com/pkafka/status/1392111119511216132?s=19

# ¿ May 11, 2021 14:46

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

https://twitter.com/kerryjeanlister/status/1392112736000163853?s=19

I think Glover tweeted somewhat hazily and it didn't all come together but the central idea is there. Anyone taking what he says in totality as it still being about 'cancel culture' is just being obtuse.

# ¿ May 11, 2021 19:39

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

I'd honestly have another BSG swinging for ideas even if it can't always connect, than like 95% of streaming shows.

Same thing with LOST. I still have my issues with it (I wouldn't even mind the end had it just been a little better done), particularly that last season. One of the things that struck me though was that shows just don't look that good anymore. The craft feels like it's gone.

# ¿ May 12, 2021 12:00

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1392811611279314950?s=19

gently caress Ellen anyway, but what's hilarious is the part where she says that she's reading its this toxic workplace but then all of her guests are saying what an amazing time they had. Almost as though Ellen treats her peers different from her employees.

# ¿ May 13, 2021 14:57

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Simone Magus posted:

I checked out after season 2 and can only imagine that by now Elizabeth Moss is walking around with a machine gun and spouting action one liners as she mows down entire rooms of men

Am I wrong?

It's kind of wild that that, of all books, has been turned into 'girlboss fights the system'.

# ¿ May 14, 2021 11:34

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

https://twitter.com/JeremyMonjo/status/1394405012147621889?s=19

# ¿ May 18, 2021 08:10

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

The funny thing about the article is that it's basically about how Liz Lemon wasn't a girlboss.

# ¿ May 18, 2021 08:19

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

This is what Simon said in the middle of rioting over Freddie Gray's death

quote:

But now — in this moment — the anger and the selfishness and the brutality of those claiming the right to violence in Freddie Gray’s name needs to cease. There was real power and potential in the peaceful protests that spoke in Mr. Gray’s name initially, and there was real unity at his homegoing today. But this, now, in the streets, is an affront to that man’s memory and a dimunition of the absolute moral lesson that underlies his unnecessary death.

If you can’t seek redress and demand reform without a brick in your hand, you risk losing this moment for all of us in Baltimore. Turn around. Go home. Please.

This was also echoed by Gray's family by the way. So gently caress them too I guess. Essentially the point is that riots are used for justification to not give people what they're asking for.

https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/1141552995563462656?s=19

# ¿ May 18, 2021 17:10

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

IRQ posted:

Being peaceful and obedient hasn't worked, at least people paid attention when rich people's poo poo got burned. No support from Annapolis? Never has been, why would that change if they didn't riot?

The city had been systematically disinvested in for as long as I can remember. Google maryland red line. Our rear end in a top hat gov killed a light rail project that would've been really good for the city so he could shunt the money towards expanding highways in richer, whiter parts of the state. Tip of the iceberg there too.

Well yeah, but Simon's post was made at a time when people had the right eyes and ears on them. He even says they should carry on protesting but that rioting is going to kill any support they might have a chance of getting, which is what happened.

Maybe he feels different about it now given it was ten years ago in 2019, but it's hardly some damning indictment of Simon. Can rioting work? Of course it can. But I'm not going to drag someone for recognising when it won't.

# ¿ May 18, 2021 17:48

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Slamhound posted:

This “brick in the hand” bullshit would be more convincing if cops didn’t have guns. Or if Freddie Gray had actually done something wrong.

People don’t get what they want without riots.

Simon is a bootlicker.

As far as Gray’s family is concerned? They’re trying to survive.

I've protested. I've rioted. Both have gotten a result. Recognising when one is going to work and one isn't, isn't in fact bootlicking.

Anyway, hadn't you better get around to actually watching that TV show you keep arguing about.

# ¿ May 18, 2021 17:51

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

feedmyleg posted:

What's wrong with it? I enjoyed Wonder Years enough when I caught episodes here and there, but it's not some sacrosanct thing to me. Nothing in that trailer looks exciting, but it nails the nostalgia and seems charming enough.

I thought it looked pretty good. I'll give it a watch.

# ¿ May 18, 2021 17:53

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Desperately searching wire+copaganda for more material.

# ¿ May 18, 2021 17:57

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Slamhound posted:

Copaganda isn’t a matter of being pro-police, it’s insisting that the police are necessary.

Also, that’s not what gaslight means.

No it isn't.

quote:

Copaganda typically encompasses things like fictionalised, positive TV depictions of police officers, heartfelt social media posts made by police departments, and videos of cops kneeling with anti-police brutality protestors; it is all the media made in an effort to show police as being uncomplicatedly friendly, heroic, and good. But these one-dimensional displays actually do harm by presenting cops as being solely friends and allies to the public at-large, rather than offering a truthful depiction of the deeply violent and racist nature of police work in America.

Granted people can argue beyond that but the idea is very much how the police are portrayed in popular media. Always essentially good where the bad apples are weeded out. It's the idea of presenting the police *uncritically* that's Copaganda.

DrVenkman fucked around with this message at 18:14 on May 18, 2021

# ¿ May 18, 2021 18:09

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Glad to see the culture has taken a slide back into 'depiction is endorsement'.

# ¿ May 18, 2021 18:23

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Slamhound posted:

All of them, you dipshit.

Shut the gently caress up, you tedious dullard.

But I don't want to.

# ¿ May 18, 2021 18:24

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Slamhound posted:

He gets baited into dumbass arguments like telling black people they should go back home when cops murder a guy for no reason?

No. You're as bad at this as watching the TV show THE WIRE.

# ¿ May 18, 2021 18:35

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Slamhound posted:

Seriously, how are you all not aware of how enamored David Simon is with the police?

You know that scene where McNulty and Bunk solve a cold case while only saying “gently caress?” That’s him reveling in how awesome the police are! They just keep saying “gently caress!”

DrVenkman posted:

Glad to see the culture has taken a slide back into 'depiction is endorsement'.

# ¿ May 18, 2021 18:38

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Slamhound posted:

Okay, so the lesson of The Wire and David Simon is that the police are worse than worthless and should be abolished. Whether it be The System or individual cops like Bunk and McNulty, the police are unreformable.

Maybe you should watch it and draw your own conclusion instead of asking the thread to choose it's own adventure.

# ¿ May 18, 2021 19:07

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Thanks to this thread and the one in general I've started watching Guy's Grocery Games

# ¿ May 18, 2021 19:20

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

https://twitter.com/AlexYoung/status/1394730224076607489?s=19

# ¿ May 18, 2021 21:00

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

You should have stopped at "according to Reddit"

# ¿ May 20, 2021 07:57

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

https://twitter.com/Srirachachau/status/1395393999335088128?s=19

# ¿ May 20, 2021 16:28

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Batman not killing isn't a 'moral code' as such, it's retaining his last grasp of sanity.

# ¿ May 21, 2021 09:12

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Late to the party but that Qanon Anonymous podcast about Jim Caviezel and his behaviour on PERSON OF INTEREST is nuts. It's also clear that he had...issues before the show started and I think working on it kind of pushed him off to the deep end because what better show for the conspiracy theory guy to work on.

# ¿ May 24, 2021 13:53

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

I’m only about 20 minutes into Army of The Dead but uhhhhhh why did Zack Snyder give Sean loving Spicer a cameo?

So he could get chewed out for his politics I guess? The woman opposite him is former chair of the Democrats.

# ¿ May 25, 2021 07:21

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Closing the stable door after the horse has bolted as far as I'm concerned. Every time I've paid for a Marvel movie the money goes into lining Ike Perlmutter's pockets so he could bankroll Trump and the like. I'm supposed to find it gauche that a real life shithead gets made to look stupid on film now?

# ¿ May 25, 2021 07:41

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

Jeeeez, this show.

https://twitter.com/_ElizabethMay/status/1396986914209734658?s=19

# ¿ May 25, 2021 09:48

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# ¿ Sep 27, 2023 15:14

DrVenkman: Dec 28, 2005; I think he can hear you, Ray.

A day isn't that unusual. I agree I would have thought they may have got the footage quicker but it depends on how they're doing it. It's likely they would have kept the restraints on even when she isn't on camera and they're doing Lena Headley's sides because they still want to resist the natural urge to flail around if she's getting wine poured on her face.

# ¿ May 25, 2021 11:42

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