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betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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You leave Captain Murphy out of this you sick freak

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betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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You think the Fife label was an editorial note? Because it's pretty funny without the label.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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skeleton warrior posted:

I think it’s much more vapid and banal than that - it’s a “the real people saddest to see Trump go will be the people who made bank for years making fun of him” which is a take that came with every presidential transition i remember save 2016. The fact that one of the signs is “Joe is hard to draw!” is exactly the sort of silly self-depreciation that normally occurs.

Oh poo poo you're right. I was sure it was a response to the twitter bans (presumably he's circling the wagons for his dear colleague StoneToss). But it felt too fast and now I can see the dumb, boring reason why.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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But see. If they were actually mad at the tech monopolies, Republicans could just join progressives in calling for the breakup of the gigacorps. These cartoons only make sense as bald acknowledgments that the conservative agenda is about complaining as an end in itself.

I'm not surprised or anything, it's just unusually bald.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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... give Ben his Twitter back

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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It's just not a political cartoon. OGH is a regular webcomic in the style of Mike Kupperman (really banal hyperabsurdity in a midcentury style). I think it's syndicated in Screenrant or the Hard Times or one of those, and this comic is months if not years old.

(I really love and highly recommend both Kupperman and OGH)

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Lurdiak posted:

Michael Kupperman is the funniest man in comics. And the bitterest man on twitter.

Yeah, I was not prepared for some of his Twitter/Patreon stuff. He deserves better.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Trapezium Dave posted:

Rall: American Dream, 2021 Edition


He forgot to write "you can" anywhere in his very long sentence while he was drawing his very hard angled room.

It's grammatical, I know, but there's no way he wasn't doing an "If you work hard you can be an oil magnate like JD Rockefeller" and hosed it up

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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HootTheOwl posted:

I don't know what you mean. I have always hated Bill Clinton.

"Attitudes shifted against your policy from 30 years ago as the long term consequences that policy became apparent" is different from memory holing. If you're memory holed, you don't, for example, give a well publicized speech at the nominating convention.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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gently caress me, who was it who was running for president or something else and told the fun story about how they bought an entire case of canned soup the day after their wedding, and their horrified wife made them return it immediately because it was too much soup? It was one of the forgettable democratic whites. Was it Hickenlooper or something?

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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dreamless posted:

Is the story more or less fun if it's Ted Cruz?

Less fun and more upsetting, certainly.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Pants Donkey posted:


I don’t know why he’s offended by being called anti-vaxx when he’s literally against vaccines.

This is the new hotness. I had a tiny blowup in a Progressive Online Community I mod where a person kept saying poo poo about how the vaccine was rushed and they weren't going to be anyone's lab monkey, and when I said "hey don't bring that anti-vaxx poo poo here" they swore up and down that they're not anti-vaxx. Just encouraging people to fear vaccines by using the exact rhetoric of the anti-vaccine movement.

I'm sure it's same self-defense mechanism as when racists don't ever cop to racism until they reach the point of goose-stepping down main street under an Odin flag. (Or, y'know, they're lying, like when the Young Living rep says it's not a pyramid scheme.)

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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This is loving hilarious

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Political Cartoons 2021: Zap! CANCER

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Hah hah. You see, he's not in a wheelchair, so he's faking it. Your empathy is WASTED.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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I once had a lady write a footnote that just said "Internet." I believe that made it through to page proofs, but not through to publication so we're one-up on Tinsley.

(I agree that it's probably a half-remembered lesson about liability mitigation. His editor doesn't care because of the *exceedingly* low stakes of a potential libel claim against Mallard Fillmore, and his readers don't care because citations aren't what feeds the brain worms.)

Anyway I came here to post this sick Ward Sutton burn from the Nib's newsletter, but imgur isn't taking my images, so I recommend this click:
https://thenib.com/obedience-training/

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Honestly, I've been a bit shy to say so but I've always wondered if "Tina" was a) a complete invention by Garrison or b) his wife that he draws cartoons for and then slaps her name on it. All of her cartoons give me the vibe of Garrison putting words in her mouth but I don't know (or care) enough about Garrison's life to know.

My headcanon is that he does the pencils and she colors, or possibly that he taught her to draw and she declined to depart from his style meaningfully because she is creatively bankrupt.

I think there's a Little Nephew character too

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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wizzardstaff posted:

Yeah, I don't know why it is hard to picture that Garrison's wife or a nephew could be real. It's not like his views are uniquely repulsive; he has plenty of like-minded followers and it stands to reason that some of them might be related.

Duly noted.

For me it was the overlap in visual style. They both do these really flat pun-caricatures that I can't quite believe an adult human came up with. The odds of two adult humans arriving at that style independently seemed low, and it's a fair conjecture that one person had come up with it and then "collaborated" with the second in a "here's what you should do, you're doing it wrong, just let me do it" way. Naturally the best candidate for controlling, stifling spouse would be the paranoiac authoritarian.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Mikl posted:

Minor point of order: it's "trans men" and "trans women" as two separate words. Using them as a single one, "transmen" and "transwomen," is often used by TERFs and transphobes as a dogwhistle: "transwomen aren't women, they're transwomen."


Carry on :)

I realize you're not the Czar of Trans Words, and I appreciate the heads-up, and I recognize that there may be a specific history that I'm not appreciating. But man, I really wish leftists as a whole would realize that just because somebody plants a flag it doesn't mean you have to let them keep it there. Shibboleths are useful and all, but the distinction between an open/closed compound in a language that has ambiguous open/closed compounding is not one I would pick.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Pilchenstein posted:

Do you use a compound word to describe any other kind of women?

Sure. Assemblywoman, congresswoman, there are lots.

Ed. If your point is that those are job titles and not ontological categories, okay, that's a much better line of reasoning than "terfs do it and we don't want to be like terfs."

betaraywil fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Feb 21, 2021

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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* Yahoo News

Ed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/immigrant-children-camp-texas-biden/2021/02/22/05dfd58c-7533-11eb-8115-9ad5e9c02117_story.html

betaraywil fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Feb 23, 2021

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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FFT posted:

Pretty sure you were just trying to insult me for being "under the impression that the God of the Hebrew Bible had nothing to say about war, and how it should be properly conducted" but the actual joke (such as it was) went over your head so no worries there.

Listen, man, we've all made embarrassing jokes that didn't land. The trick is to walk away from it before people indelibly associate you with your bad joke. Generally, you want to disengage before the three day mark.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Re: Stiglich that story got broken by the Washington Post so I don't see what the liberal media has to do with it aside from how they told you about this thing

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Had to be done

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Oh no don't make me pick between AOC and my beloved Biden

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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I need to meditate on this

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Pants Donkey posted:

Even if Hamas has the baddest dudes in there, who loving sees a bad guy take a kid as a human shield and thinks the person that shoots the kid to get the bad guy is the hero here?

Movement conservatives. I think I first saw George F. Will articulate the argument that it's okay for protesters to be abused during arrest because they're trying to get arrested to do some kind of civil disobedience thing for the other activists. So getting abused by the system is what they want, and they're getting it, doesn't sound like a problem to me. It's a license for the reader to turn off the part of their brain that nonviolent resistance works on, and it defangs all of the various resistance tactics that rely on bystander outrage.

"What? Of course that kid got shot. He was hanging out with Hamas, that's probably what he wanted. Now he gets his 70 virgins a yuck yuck."

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Will we ever reach a point where the cartoonist's shorthand for "normal people" is something other than mid-40s white people in dockers and loafers, with an option for a colored polo? I feel like it's boomer iconography that makes less and less sense as the actual boomers fade into screaming geriatrics.

Yeah, as if the typical American family can afford two easy chairs in this economy

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Vargo posted:

But the weird thing is that the people in this loving age group/audience love Barney Fife. The show just defines him as the "good guy", no question. He rarely, if ever, gets comeuppance or retribution for his behavior, and these people (baby boomers, Andy Griffith fans) absolutely love it. His incompetence is never seen as an overtly negative thing or portrayed as dangerous (even though him wildly firing a gun is a recurring gag) - more just like a minor annoyance. "His heart's in the right place, he's just a little excitable" is a common defense.

So why would you put the Guy You Hate (Joe Biden) in the role of the Guy You Love (Barney Fife) and expect us to read it as negative?

This is such a consistent fuckup from cartoonists that I honestly doubt that they remember the premise of the show. There's some metacognitive process of abstraction that over long periods of time turns an allusion into an editorial cartooning shorthand that preserves one or two of the connotations of the thing it alludes to. Frankenstein's Monster is probably the worst victim here--Ramirez loves to draw the monster as an ugly, violent freak, which is the opposite of the point of the book etc., we've had the conversation 300 times. The cartoons only work if you strip the Monster of everything except for monstrosity. Looking through the recent cartoons, here's this incomprehensible Benson doing basically the same thing:


The whole allusion seems to hinge on "facts suck," which is pretty attenuated. If you think it through, it's also a bit twisted (vampires presumably think sucking is good?) and vampires aren't really a good analogue for anti-vaxxers. Vampires are out-of-touch elites who hoard resources so greedily that they dine on the blood of their subjects. Anti-vaxxers are (popularly) "just folks" who are refusing a medical treatment that there's an enormous global shortage of. Those have 0 axes of commonality. Could you make the vampire case through a compelling visual metaphor? Sure. But Benson didn't do that. He used vampire as a synonym for bad.

I think it's intellectual laziness and (correctly) guessing that most of the readers won't actually apply any thought to the cartoon. Abstraction-with-time is also part of how culture works, ideally with new versions of a narrative coming along and shading the meaning of an allusion according to the times. But on the right I genuinely think it's part of a wider project to flatten the American imaginary until there are only two qualities like the fascist ants in The Once and Future King. (When it's not something more openly evil, like how "Uncle Tom" was forcibly inverted by southern white supremacists.)

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betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Technowolf posted:

Remember that these same people thought comparing Obama to Santa Claus and Robin Hood would be a huge slam.

Oh my God how did I forget about evil socialist Obamaclaus :doh:

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Raised By Birds posted:

Gary Varvel

Poor plucky li'l Israel

Hm sir I notice the bomb didn't go off and you're perfectly fine

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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SneezeOfTheDecade posted:

Michael Ramirez


"Huh. I seem to be drawing this one with more missiles every year."

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Honestly, David and Goliath metaphors are never going to be great. It's participating in the "these races have been in a race war for 3000 years" narrative that genocide-excusers use as a psuedo-complication to distract from the very recent and concrete roots of the current crisis. (A specific group of families was forced out of a specific set of homes by a specific government for the benefit of a specific group of other families, according to their respective races, a couple of weeks ago.)

At best, this is saying "the good-guy race from the mythical ritual combat 3,000 years ago has become ascendant, but they're not being very gracious with the race they defeated," which is completely predicated on the validity of millennial race war as a political and historical lens.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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...even if you assume that all 3,000 of those were like military grade missiles, this is a completely irrelevant comparison because the Nazis predominantly used bombs dropped from planes you piece of poo poo

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Alhazred posted:

Britain had several effective countermeasures

Well I don't see how that's relevant to the Israeli context

(The wing thing is the coolest thing. How have I never heard of that?)

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betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Cloud Potato posted:

Stephen Collins:


I know we all know he's a treasure, but what a treasure :allears:

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Raised By Birds posted:

Time for a Text Block Double Feature!



quote:

The so-called extremists will be white, Christian soldiers and Trump supporters. The military will be purged of such people. Only leftists, gays, transexuals, women, and people of color will be left to defend our nation’s borders.

I mean, even without Garrison's generous definition of "leftist" that's an enormous majority of the nation (and with it, probably still of the army)

betaraywil fucked around with this message at 04:51 on May 23, 2021

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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Technowolf posted:

Double post, but whatever



This is kind of the plot to an episode of Netflix's alien biosphere nature documentary that clearly got its budget slashed halfway into production. Good enough show.

betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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So look.

You're a cartoonist. Your job as a cartoonist is to render the literary and political and philosophical metaphors legible as a visual metaphor. You are invoking an aphorism that likens one kind of concrete things (human) to another (bird).

Draw them as a bunch of loving birds rear end in a top hat. If you don't want to draw birds, and you're changing of the words anyway (birds > antisemites), change both the bird words and draw that.

Branco's so lazy and devoid of creativity and evil that it's just frustrating. Say what you will about Chuck Asay, but at least he drew poo poo.

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betaraywil
Dec 30, 2006

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If it's a fraud, draw a lure instead of a real worm dipshit

Jesus Christ he's so bad at this

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