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indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Toph Bei Fong posted:

In Soviet Russia, one weird thing that supposedly happened in the Gulags was that the prisoners there had to write birthday cards to Stalin, wishing him a long life and a happy birthday.

lol that's a new one

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Hedenius
Aug 23, 2007

https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1392205722469941256?s=20

I wonder what most people will think of when they hear talk of crumbling towers?

Mondian
Apr 24, 2007

Toph Bei Fong posted:

In Soviet Russia, one weird thing that supposedly happened in the Gulags was that the prisoners there had to write birthday cards to Stalin, wishing him a long life and a happy birthday. It's pretty impossible to imagine Hitler demanding this same thing from the Jews in concentration camps. For a lot of liberals, it's the same type thing. It is not enough to win, or merely exist knowing one is right, one instead needs to be fawned over and worshiped, with one's enemies admitting their faults and producing public mea cupla after public mea culpa. The "I won, why aren't you proud of me?" energy is really strong.

So, when people don't reflexively apologize and fawn when they correct them, and in fact seem to get even stronger and more entrenched the more they yell at them...

Stevie Lee
Oct 8, 2007

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

One More Fat Nerd posted:

Whats up with the Bruenigs attracting insane twitter enemies? Wasn't there some hardcore Neera Tanden stan who started threatening to firebomb their house after Tanden got shut down for the OMB job?
twitter women are mad that she makes lots of money doing a writing job, has kids, and seems happy

twitter men are mad that matt is an internet troll who posts all day and still landed a tradwife who makes lots of money and is far more attractive that he is. living the dream.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
I don't like them because you can never trust a papist

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

i was raised catholic but assuming i can visit cuba in my lifetime ill definitely visit taino legend hatuey's memorial. he is a hero of mine

quote:

(Hatuey), thinking a little, asked the religious man if Spaniards went to heaven. The religious man answered yes... The chief then said without further thought that he did not want to go there but to hell so as not to be where they were and where he would not see such cruel people.

Cloks
Feb 1, 2013

by Azathoth

nice try, buddy

Delthalaz
Mar 5, 2003






Slippery Tilde

Ringo Roadagain posted:

lol his hand is closed and he is holding something in it

yeah it’s very clearly a cell phone imo

AppleNippleBOB
May 13, 2007



Toph Bei Fong posted:

In Soviet Russia, one weird thing that supposedly happened in the Gulags was that the prisoners there had to write birthday cards to Stalin, wishing him a long life and a happy birthday. It's pretty impossible to imagine Hitler demanding this same thing from the Jews in concentration camps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal#World_War_II
quote:
"According to Wiesenthal, on 20 April 1943, Second Lieutenant Gustav Wilhaus, second in command at the Janowska camp, decided to shoot 54 Jewish intellectuals in celebration of Hitler's 54th birthday. Unable to find enough such people still alive at Janowska, Wilhaus ordered a roundup of prisoners from the satellite camps. Wiesenthal and two other inmates were taken from the Eastern Railway camp to the execution site, a trench 6 feet (1.8 m) deep and 1,500 feet (460 m) long at a nearby sandpit. The men were stripped and led through "the Hose", a six- or seven-foot wide barbed wire corridor to the execution ground. The victims were shot and their bodies allowed to fall into the pit. Wiesenthal, waiting to be shot, heard someone call out his name. He was returned alive to the camp; Kohlrautz had convinced his superiors that Wiesenthal was the best man available to paint a giant poster in honour of Hitler's birthday."

change my name
Aug 27, 2007

Legends die but anime is forever.

RIP The Lost Otakus.

https://twitter.com/cia_bandicoot/status/1392664328713633794

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:

TenementFunster posted:

twitter women are mad that she makes lots of money doing a writing job, has kids, and seems happy

twitter men are mad that matt is an internet troll who posts all day and still landed a tradwife who makes lots of money and is far more attractive that he is. living the dream.

also trolls are mad that Matt is a far superior poster than any one of them can be

whatever tepid school grade insults they can lob at him he returns with finely honed nuclear hellfire

change my name
Aug 27, 2007

Legends die but anime is forever.

RIP The Lost Otakus.

https://twitter.com/hedlike_a_hole/status/1392542629049552898

Why does posting get exponentially better whenever the world goes to poo poo

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

Dr. Killjoy posted:

also trolls are mad that Matt is a far superior poster than any one of them can be
big agree. he's a first-class poster with an objectively fantastic lot in life.

Brawnfire
Jul 13, 2004

🎧Listen to Cylindricule!🎵
https://linktr.ee/Cylindricule

change my name posted:

https://twitter.com/hedlike_a_hole/status/1392542629049552898

Why does posting get exponentially better whenever the world goes to poo poo

hey just popping in to remind everyone I believe in nothing and will suck whatever spurts the most money at me alright peace got work to do

ol qwerty bastard
Dec 13, 2005

If you want something done, do it yourself!

Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



AppleNippleBOB posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal#World_War_II
quote:
"According to Wiesenthal, on 20 April 1943, Second Lieutenant Gustav Wilhaus, second in command at the Janowska camp, decided to shoot 54 Jewish intellectuals in celebration of Hitler's 54th birthday. Unable to find enough such people still alive at Janowska, Wilhaus ordered a roundup of prisoners from the satellite camps. Wiesenthal and two other inmates were taken from the Eastern Railway camp to the execution site, a trench 6 feet (1.8 m) deep and 1,500 feet (460 m) long at a nearby sandpit. The men were stripped and led through "the Hose", a six- or seven-foot wide barbed wire corridor to the execution ground. The victims were shot and their bodies allowed to fall into the pit. Wiesenthal, waiting to be shot, heard someone call out his name. He was returned alive to the camp; Kohlrautz had convinced his superiors that Wiesenthal was the best man available to paint a giant poster in honour of Hitler's birthday."

I stand corrected.

Slavoj Zizek posted:

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v27/n06/slavoj-zizek/the-two-totalitarianisms

A small note – not the stuff of headlines, obviously – appeared in the newspapers on 3 February. In response to a call for the prohibition of the public display of the swastika and other Nazi symbols, a group of conservative members of the European Parliament, mostly from ex-Communist countries, demanded that the same apply to Communist symbols: not only the hammer and sickle, but even the red star. This proposal should not be dismissed lightly: it suggests a deep change in Europe’s ideological identity.

Till now, to put it straightforwardly, Stalinism hasn’t been rejected in the same way as Nazism. We are fully aware of its monstrous aspects, but still find Ostalgie acceptable: you can make Goodbye Lenin!, but Goodbye Hitler! is unthinkable. Why? To take another example: in Germany, many CDs featuring old East German Revolutionary and Party songs, from ‘Stalin, Freund, Genosse’ to ‘Die Partei hat immer Recht’, are easy to find. You would have to look rather harder for a collection of Nazi songs. Even at this anecdotal level, the difference between the Nazi and Stalinist universes is clear, just as it is when we recall that in the Stalinist show trials, the accused had publicly to confess his crimes and give an account of how he came to commit them, whereas the Nazis would never have required a Jew to confess that he was involved in a Jewish plot against the German nation. The reason is clear. Stalinism conceived itself as part of the Enlightenment tradition, according to which, truth being accessible to any rational man, no matter how depraved, everyone must be regarded as responsible for his crimes. But for the Nazis the guilt of the Jews was a fact of their biological constitution: there was no need to prove they were guilty, since they were guilty by virtue of being Jews.

In the Stalinist ideological imaginary, universal reason is objectivised in the guise of the inexorable laws of historical progress, and we are all its servants, the leader included. A Nazi leader, having delivered a speech, stood and silently accepted the applause, but under Stalinism, when the obligatory applause exploded at the end of the leader’s speech, he stood up and joined in. In Ernst Lubitsch’s To Be or Not to Be, Hitler responds to the Nazi salute by raising his hand and saying: ‘Heil myself!’ This is pure humour because it could never have happened in reality, while Stalin effectively did ‘hail himself’ when he joined others in the applause. Consider the fact that, on Stalin’s birthday, prisoners would send him congratulatory telegrams from the darkest gulags: it isn’t possible to imagine a Jew in Auschwitz sending Hitler such a telegram. It is a tasteless distinction, but it supports the contention that under Stalin, the ruling ideology presupposed a space in which the leader and his subjects could meet as servants of Historical Reason. Under Stalin, all people were, theoretically, equal.

We do not find in Nazism any equivalent to the dissident Communists who risked their lives fighting what they perceived as the ‘bureaucratic deformation’ of socialism in the USSR and its empire: there was no one in Nazi Germany who advocated ‘Nazism with a human face’. Herein lies the flaw (and the bias) of all attempts, such as that of the conservative historian Ernst Nolte, to adopt a neutral position – i.e. to ask why we don’t apply the same standards to the Communists as we apply to the Nazis. If Heidegger cannot be pardoned for his flirtation with Nazism, why can Lukács and Brecht and others be pardoned for their much longer engagement with Stalinism? This position reduces Nazism to a reaction to, and repetition of, practices already found in Bolshevism – terror, concentration camps, the struggle to the death against political enemies – so that the ‘original sin’ is that of Communism.

In the late 1980s, Nolte was Habermas’s principal opponent in the so-called Revisionismusstreit, arguing that Nazism should not be regarded as the incomparable evil of the 20th century. Not only did Nazism, reprehensible as it was, appear after Communism: it was an excessive reaction to the Communist threat, and all its horrors were merely copies of those already perpetrated under Soviet Communism. Nolte’s idea is that Communism and Nazism share the same totalitarian form, and the difference between them consists only in the difference between the empirical agents which fill their respective structural roles (‘Jews’ instead of ‘class enemy’). The usual liberal reaction to Nolte is that he relativises Nazism, reducing it to a secondary echo of the Communist evil. However, even if we leave aside the unhelpful comparison between Communism – a thwarted attempt at liberation – and the radical evil of Nazism, we should still concede Nolte’s central point. Nazism was effectively a reaction to the Communist threat; it did effectively replace class struggle with the struggle between Aryans and Jews. What we are dealing with here is displacement in the Freudian sense of the term (Verschiebung): Nazism displaces class struggle onto racial struggle and in doing so obfuscates its true nature. What changes in the passage from Communism to Nazism is a matter of form, and it is in this that the Nazi ideological mystification resides: the political struggle is naturalised as racial conflict, the class antagonism inherent in the social structure reduced to the invasion of a foreign (Jewish) body which disturbs the harmony of the Aryan community. It is not, as Nolte claims, that there is in both cases the same formal antagonistic structure, but that the place of the enemy is filled by a different element (class, race). Class antagonism, unlike racial difference and conflict, is absolutely inherent to and constitutive of the social field; Fascism displaces this essential antagonism.

It’s appropriate, then, to recognise the tragedy of the October Revolution: both its unique emancipatory potential and the historical necessity of its Stalinist outcome. We should have the honesty to acknowledge that the Stalinist purges were in a way more ‘irrational’ than the Fascist violence: its excess is an unmistakable sign that, in contrast to Fascism, Stalinism was a case of an authentic revolution perverted. Under Fascism, even in Nazi Germany, it was possible to survive, to maintain the appearance of a ‘normal’ everyday life, if one did not involve oneself in any oppositional political activity (and, of course, if one were not Jewish). Under Stalin in the late 1930s, on the other hand, nobody was safe: anyone could be unexpectedly denounced, arrested and shot as a traitor. The irrationality of Nazism was ‘condensed’ in anti-semitism – in its belief in the Jewish plot – while the irrationality of Stalinism pervaded the entire social body. For that reason, Nazi police investigators looked for proofs and traces of active opposition to the regime, whereas Stalin’s investigators were happy to fabricate evidence, invent plots etc.

We should also admit that we still lack a satisfactory theory of Stalinism. It is, in this respect, a scandal that the Frankfurt School failed to produce a systematic and thorough analysis of the phenomenon. The exceptions are telling: Franz Neumann’s Behemoth (1942), which suggested that the three great world-systems – New Deal capitalism, Fascism and Stalinism – tended towards the same bureaucratic, globally organised, ‘administered’ society; Herbert Marcuse’s Soviet Marxism (1958), his least passionate book, a strangely neutral analysis of Soviet ideology with no clear commitments; and, finally, in the 1980s, the attempts by some Habermasians who, reflecting on the emerging dissident phenomena, endeavoured to elaborate the notion of civil society as a site of resistance to the Communist regime – interesting, but not a global theory of the specificity of Stalinist totalitarianism. How could a school of Marxist thought that claimed to focus on the conditions of the failure of the emancipatory project abstain from analysing the nightmare of ‘actually existing socialism’? And was its focus on Fascism not a silent admission of the failure to confront the real trauma?

It is here that one has to make a choice. The ‘pure’ liberal attitude towards Leftist and Rightist ‘totalitarianism’ – that they are both bad, based on the intolerance of political and other differences, the rejection of democratic and humanist values etc – is a priori false. It is necessary to take sides and proclaim Fascism fundamentally ‘worse’ than Communism. The alternative, the notion that it is even possible to compare rationally the two totalitarianisms, tends to produce the conclusion – explicit or implicit – that Fascism was the lesser evil, an understandable reaction to the Communist threat. When, in September 2003, Silvio Berlusconi provoked a violent outcry with his observation that Mussolini, unlike Hitler, Stalin or Saddam Hussein, never killed anyone, the true scandal was that, far from being an expression of Berlusconi’s idiosyncrasy, his statement was part of an ongoing project to change the terms of a postwar European identity hitherto based on anti-Fascist unity. That is the proper context in which to understand the European conservatives’ call for the prohibition of Communist symbols.

Javid
Oct 21, 2004

:jpmf:

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.

thanks, i was feeling unusually cheerful and happy. thanks something awful

Gods_Butthole
Aug 9, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

TenementFunster posted:

twitter women are mad that she makes lots of money doing a writing job, has kids, and seems happy

twitter men are mad that matt is an internet troll who posts all day and still landed a tradwife who makes lots of money and is far more attractive that he is. living the dream.

drat, I'm kinda jealous of Matt now.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
god zizek is so long winded and dumb

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/AviMayer/status/1260103961593421824?s=19

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Is the rock ok?

Diqnol
May 10, 2010

taqueso posted:

Is the rock ok?

Yeah, it was just visiting a local temple.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

When you're trying to crack ping but you're also a redditor

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Gods_Butthole posted:

I promise that I'm not JAQing off, I'm just generally pretty ignorant of Palestinian-Israeli issues. What're the problems with a two state solution?

Remember how, at the start of WWII, the Nazis rounded up all the Jews and made them live in ghettos under terrible conditions?

Now imagine they decided that they also wanted to live in the buildings, too.

And then cried about how persecuted they were on the internet.



Delthalaz posted:

yeah it’s very clearly a cell phone imo

Whoah there, saying Zionists are lying is anit-Zionist buddy.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1392777262953549826



tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

The dialectical struggle of history has always, essentially, been a question of how to apply justice to matter. Take away matter and what remains is justice.

Inceltown posted:

When you're trying to crack ping but you're also a redditor



I mean that's also a pretty goony take too, let's not cast the first stone on being weird internet people

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Gods_Butthole posted:

I promise that I'm not JAQing off, I'm just generally pretty ignorant of Palestinian-Israeli issues. What're the problems with a two state solution?

they cover it briefly on citations needed update about the recent attacks: https://pca.st/episode/06b802ff-964a-41b1-a1c5-43d588015a4a

they also have a 2 part series on it. basically it's bullshit to distract people while Israel kills more kids

Chieves
Sep 20, 2010

ASAPRockySituation posted:

Yeah, it was just visiting a local temple.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

ASK ME ABOUT MY
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https://twitter.com/murderxbryan/status/1392618849204375555?s=20

Adjectivist Philosophy
Oct 6, 2003

When you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.

ASAPRockySituation posted:

Yeah, it was just visiting a local temple.

Edgar Allan Pwned
Apr 4, 2011

Quoth the Raven "I love the power glove. It's so bad..."
Ngl I've thought about decorating with skateboards. It's art for like 100-200 dollars. No framing necessary

Mike the TV
Jan 14, 2008

Ninety-nine ninety-nine ninety-nine

Pillbug

Edgar Allan Pwned posted:

Ngl I've thought about decorating with skateboards. It's art for like 100-200 dollars. No framing necessary

It's cool decor that makes your friends feel at home.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

https://twitter.com/RealHeathcliffs/status/1392832368751284224?s=19

How!
Oct 29, 2009

ASAPRockySituation posted:

Yeah, it was just visiting a local temple.

lmao

Brandon Proust
Jun 22, 2006

"Like many intellectuals, he was incapable of scoring a simple goal in a simple way"

ASAPRockySituation posted:

Yeah, it was just visiting a local temple.

Junpei
Oct 4, 2015
Probation
Can't post for 11 years!

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change my name
Aug 27, 2007

Legends die but anime is forever.

RIP The Lost Otakus.

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1392565196250624001

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