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most modern stick shift cars have a hill holder that does this for you but I doubt a 99 civic does
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angryrobots posted:As I recall, rolling back on a hill is an auto-fail of driving test in some countries. Using the handbrake is both expected and taught. Yup, in the UK it's an instant fail because you're not in control.
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Jan 18, 2021 17:17
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True in the US as well, at least in my state, but nobody takes the test in a manual transmission car because there are far more ways to get dinged and the license is identical no matter what kind of car you use.
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Jan 18, 2021 17:32
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The car is only rolling backwards because I let it!
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Jan 18, 2021 18:36
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wilfredmerriweathr posted:Do this, you will learn the exact point at which your clutch starts to engage. Then you can bring the clutch pedal to exactly the engagement point and quickly add a bit of throttle as the pedal passes this point. Practice this for a day or two and you'll internalize the muscle movements. Olympic Mathlete posted:Yup, in the UK it's an instant fail because you're not in control.
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Jan 18, 2021 20:20
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CannonFodder posted:In the US it's a fail if, when taking a turn, you release the steering wheel to let it return to center and catch it. It's required to use hand over hand or the shuffle method. Releasing the wheel counts as not being in control. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc7WR0tfsuQ&t=285s e: shoutout to 6:18, as well Krakkles fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jan 18, 2021 |
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Jan 18, 2021 21:17
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The only thing I don't like about my 99 ranger is that the e-brake is a pedal and not a hand brake.
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Jan 19, 2021 15:02
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Probably not what OP's worried about yet, but does it matter for clutch wear and tear if you give a some gas as you let off the clutch pedal when shifting up? (Assuming reasonably close rev matching and not flooring the gas pedal or anything.) I can smoothly shift easier that way and what I learned to do back in the day, but wondering if long term I should make myself just get super good at shift timing and wait to use gas if that's a thing. Actual tip for OP from me re-adjusting to driving stick after a decade, in addition to finding the bite point by just starting rolling in 1st by just letting out the clutch, it's also helped me to occasionally put the e-brake when stopped in 1st and let out the clutch pedal just enough to feel the car wanting to pull forward. I know it's the same as just getting rolling, but something about having the car not move while doing it helps it click in my muscle memory.
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Jan 19, 2021 22:01
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teh_Broseph posted:Probably not what OP's worried about yet, but does it matter for clutch wear and tear if you give a some gas as you let off the clutch pedal when shifting up? (Assuming reasonably close rev matching and not flooring the gas pedal or anything.) I can smoothly shift easier that way and what I learned to do back in the day, but wondering if long term I should make myself just get super good at shift timing and wait to use gas if that's a thing.
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Jan 19, 2021 22:15
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I can't stress this enough to especially drivers who are just starting to drive stick: the clutch is a wear item, just like brakes. It will need replacement eventually, that's just a fact of life. If it doesn't smell bad (trust me, you will know when you're burning clutch) and the car is driving smoothly, chances are you're basically okay and there's no reason to worry about it a huge amount.
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Jan 19, 2021 22:46
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teh_Broseph posted:Probably not what OP's worried about yet, but does it matter for clutch wear and tear if you give a some gas as you let off the clutch pedal when shifting up? (Assuming reasonably close rev matching and not flooring the gas pedal or anything.) I can smoothly shift easier that way and what I learned to do back in the day, but wondering if long term I should make myself just get super good at shift timing and wait to use gas if that's a thing. Just go all out and bury your right foot, keep it planted and THEN shift. As above, clutch is a wear item and this way you can replace it sooner. 
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Jan 19, 2021 22:53
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Olympic Mathlete posted:Just go all out and bury your right foot, keep it planted and THEN shift. As above, clutch is a wear item and this way you can replace it sooner. Flat foot shifting baybee
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Jan 19, 2021 23:40
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mobby_6kl posted:When shifting up? You shouldn't need to unless you take too long and the revs fall past where they should be, just release gas, press in clutch, shift, release clutch, mash gas. If you do take too long, it can be helpful to add gas to match the speeds better for a smoother shift and lower wear. (Then get a lightweight flywheel, and do it even faster.)
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Jan 20, 2021 00:54
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What's the best way to turn in a manual gear-wise? I drove to the gas station and the coffee shop today and every time I turned it felt like I was doing it wrong.
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Jan 20, 2021 01:28
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:What's the best way to turn in a manual gear-wise? I drove to the gas station and the coffee shop today and every time I turned it felt like I was doing it wrong. Second will work all the way from a dead stop if you need it to, at least on flat ground, and in most cars (~98 civic included) it should take you most of the way to 60mph. Not that you should do that (60 in second), but you can certainly cover a corner into a coffee shop somewhere between stopped and 60mph.
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Jan 20, 2021 01:34
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When I bought my truck this summer, I looked up how to drive stick on youtube the morning before I bought it, then I drove it home like 90 miles. If I'd had to do a hill start I would have been screwed but it turned out alright I guess. The first couple weeks driving around my neighborhood (big rear end hills) were so stressful I literally laid awake at night after practicing having an anxiety attack but now after a couple months it's like second nature. Course now my clutch has started rattling like crazy when I put it down so I guess I need to think about doing a kit. No idea if it's worth it.
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Jan 21, 2021 20:36
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Krakkles posted:Downshift to second, stay in gear, clutch pedal out/clutch engaged. This. In an ideal world, you'd be fully in 2nd before beginning the turn. In reality, once you get used to it, you'll probably find yourself downshifting through the turn.
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Jan 22, 2021 06:56
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Ideally you're in the right gear before you start turning. You can just slowly let the clutch out while you're braking to avoid too much jerking. To do it more quickly and smoothly, you rev the engine a little to bring it to the right speed for your new gear. Which means using all three pedals at the same time. I brake with the left side of the ball of my foot and use the right side of my heel to blip the throttle but people do it differently depending on their feet and pedals. E- here's a video of a guy doing some downshifts like that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUVkVB3SUf4 jamal fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jan 22, 2021 |
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Jan 22, 2021 18:01
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jamal posted:To do it more quickly and smoothly, you rev the engine a little to bring it to the right speed for your new gear. Which means using all three pedals at the same time. I brake with the left side of the ball of my foot and use the right side of my heel to blip the throttle but people do it differently depending on their feet and pedals. This was incredibly fun and intuitive to do in an E30. I've tried heel-toeing smoothly in my Trooper but I don't think it's built for that kind of spirited driving.
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Jan 22, 2021 21:58
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:most modern stick shift cars have a hill holder that does this for you but I doubt a 99 civic does this is the best feature and they also auto don't stall on takeoff so you can drive with one leg out the window.
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Jan 22, 2021 22:25
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so you never ever mis-shift 4>5 grab the shifter thumb down push that sucker away.
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Jan 22, 2021 22:30
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Elephanthead posted:this is the best feature and they also auto don't stall on takeoff so you can drive with one leg out the window. Wait, what? My car will absolutely stall with hill-hold on if you gently caress up releasing the clutch (made more difficult by the fact that you don't know quite when the brake is going to release). I don't use hill hold in any except the steepest situations, I've stalled more times with it than without it.
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Jan 22, 2021 23:16
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space chandeliers posted:This was incredibly fun and intuitive to do in an E30. I've tried heel-toeing smoothly in my Trooper but I don't think it's built for that kind of spirited driving. Built for it? Nah. It is doable, though.
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Jan 23, 2021 00:51
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I really need to practice downshifting. I can't do it without the car jerking around.
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Jan 23, 2021 01:09
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Some of that is trial and error on each new car you drive to learn how each gear links engine speed to wheel speed so you can set the engine speed appropriately. Watch the tach at different speeds for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th while you’re driving at different speeds to start developing that sense for your own car.
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Jan 23, 2021 01:46
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:I really need to practice downshifting. I can't do it without the car jerking around. I've found that my downshifting has only been able to improve with years of driving stick. I've got size 14 feet and I find it really hard to heel-toe and double-clutch because my feet don't fit. Also, can't keep my left heel planted while using the clutch. My father claims this is necessary, but I've been driving stick for almost a decade now and can't do it.
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Jan 24, 2021 06:29
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Planted as in on the floor? Yeah I’ve never done that. Clutch has always been leg and foot motion combined for me.
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Jan 24, 2021 06:37
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I've been told I should try to keep my right heel on the same spot of the floor except when blipping the throttle but yeah what are you supposed to do if the clutch pedal needs to move farther than your ankle can do. Which is the case for most cars and ankles probably. A thin soled "driving shoe" like a puma speedcat might help. I actually can't heel-toe as well in mine and never wear them because the soles are really narrow and it's more of a reach to the throttle (size 12, black, look brand new if anyone wants them before they go to goodwill). My minimalist new balance running shoes are probably my favorite, hiking boots my least favorite to drive in. jamal fucked around with this message at 06:48 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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Jan 24, 2021 06:44
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Keeping the ankle planted while using the clutch / brake etc? No. Unless you have a pedalbox do it however you feel comfortable with.
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Jan 24, 2021 10:04
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I "step" on the clutch with my whole foot. Definitely no keeping the heel planted nonsense. The release is all in the legs and knees.
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Jan 24, 2021 15:00
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One thing I learned when I was learning to drive stick is that most people have very little insight into how they actually do things. It becomes so automatic that it's hard to know and explain exactly what you're doing, so people mostly explain what they assume they're doing.
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Jan 24, 2021 15:53
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PT6A posted:One thing I learned when I was learning to drive stick is that most people have very little insight into how they actually do things. It becomes so automatic that it's hard to know and explain exactly what you're doing, so people mostly explain what they assume they're doing. I assume I'm killing the transmission as I learn but I've made my peace with that.
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Jan 24, 2021 15:56
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:I assume I'm killing the transmission as I learn but I've made my peace with that. You're almost certainly not. People get the idea that manual transmissions are made of crepe paper and fine porcelain, but actually they can stand up to a lot of abuse. If you don't smell clutch (and even if you do one or twice) -- and I'd like to make very clear you will know when you are smelling burning clutch, it's not subtle at all -- your transmission will be fine.
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Jan 24, 2021 16:01
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Never thought going through a Wendys drive-through for lunch would feel like am accomplishment but here we are
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Drive-thrus and stop-n-go traffic can be a bit challenging, but every time you do it, it's valuable practice, even if just for launching. Feel proud of the small accomplishments, you're well on your way to being a mediocre stick shifter and after that, to get good, it's just a decade of practice. Then you too can still stall at a green light once a month or so and roll back on hills. PT6A posted:You're almost certainly not. People get the idea that manual transmissions are made of crepe paper and fine porcelain, but actually they can stand up to a lot of abuse. If you don't smell clutch (and even if you do one or twice) -- and I'd like to make very clear you will know when you are smelling burning clutch, it's not subtle at all -- your transmission will be fine. Echoing this; while it's not impossible to destroy a manual gearbox, it's also not that easy. A determined idiot would find it challenging. The gears are permanently meshed so you can't actually grind them, except for the reverse idler gear but even those can get ground a lot before they cause problems. The synchros aren't permanently meshed, and they're more or less sacrificial. When you grind the gears in a manual gearbox you're grinding the synchros, not the gears themselves. You can totally wear them out, but a shop press and gumption is all you need to replace them. Wearing them out takes a lot of grinding though. The clutch is probably the easiest thing to wreck, but it's also a wear part. If you don't know what mileage is on the clutch that's in it, beat the poo poo out of it until it starts slipping, then replace. Also anything I said here applies to the type of gearbox one would find in an everyday car like a late 90s Civic.
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I think keeping your foot planted completely depends on the car. Taking my 99 ranger on a drive is absolutely a leg day exercise. My BRZ on the other hand I just tap my feet, heels can stay planted. When I'm on a drive for the sake of being on a drive, I'll wear my sambas, they let me feel the clutch a lot more than my work boots do (daily work wear).
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Jan 25, 2021 14:01
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Fermented Tinal posted:The gears are permanently meshed so you can't actually grind them, except for the reverse idler gear I hate to get all  up in this super wholesome thread but the reverse idler is definitely in constant mesh in every modern gearbox I've been into.
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Jan 26, 2021 05:37
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Turbo Fondant posted:I hate to get all This isn't the case in W series Toyota transmissions, which is what I was going by. Then again, those are pretty old now.
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I've gotten way way better. I'm at the point where I don't have to think about gears that much anymore and hillstarts are no longer an issue at all. One question though: when I brake I neutral roll to the stop. Apparently this is wrong and I'm supposed to downshift in case someone's about to rear-end me (I highly doubt I will ever be able to avoid being rear-ended since this almost always happens in super-high-traffic situations at least to me but the car forums insist otherwise). How do I do this without redlining my car or loving up the engine? Am I fine just continuing my bad habit? Remember I have no tach.
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Are you just not downshifting at all right now? What do you do when you slow down for traffic or to go around corners? The easy way is just put it in the next lowest gear and let the clutch gently bring up the revs. The smoother, faster, better way is to rev match with a little blip of the throttle. Which like I mentioned before, means working two pedals with one foot if you're doing it while braking.
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