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Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

echinopsis posted:

anyone else feel like we grew up in a golden age of computing

they were fun and exciting but the reward wasn’t free. you had to learn command lines and file systems etc


my kids are hopeless when something doesn’t work. computer wise or mechanical

I know that’s not everyone, but as a person myself who I reckon competent enough and figure stuff out it feels a bit sad. they don’t show interest
it’s a mixed bag but i like the highs more than i hate the lows. overall i’m glad i was through high school well before smartphones and university well before web 2.0/social media

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echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
yeah heck yeah


I work with a lot of young people (late teens early 20s) and they’re mostly well adjusted tho. some sense of hope

Perplx
Jun 26, 2004


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they are hopeful because they get to see all the boomers die while they are still young

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



I’d have a lot of hope if I lived in NZ too lol

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

echinopsis posted:

anyone else feel like we grew up in a golden age of computing

they were fun and exciting but the reward wasn’t free. you had to learn command lines and file systems etc


my kids are hopeless when something doesn’t work. computer wise or mechanical

I know that’s not everyone, but as a person myself who I reckon competent enough and figure stuff out it feels a bit sad. they don’t show interest

Yes.

I started trying to explain some stuff to them but realized that they genuinely wouldn't need to know most of the esoteria unless they plan to touch computers professionally, which they won't.

I can't remember when I last had to use the command prompt for something not development related, there's just no longer a need for the most part.

Well Played Mauer
Jun 1, 2003

We'll always have Cabo
Boomers had cars, old millennials and young Xers had computers. When tech is new, unreliable, and relatively open, a greater portion of users will have at least a working knowledge of how it all works just because the poo poo breaks all the time and it’s cheaper to fix than replace.

Now with iPads and poo poo being impossible to repair but also wayyyy more reliable we’ve reached the appliance age that we entered into with cars around the turn of the century.

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
i’m glad then I had some poo poo box cars that required me getting my hands dirty lol

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


"wait you downloaded pornography? then you tried to hide it? on a disk? what the gently caress dad" "son, one day all this will be yours" *double clicks the 'dad stuff folder' with it's meticulously curated subfolders full of filth* "ok so this is called bukkake and..."

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

"wait you downloaded pornography? then you tried to hide it? on a disk? what the gently caress dad" "son, one day all this will be yours" *double clicks the 'dad stuff folder' with it's meticulously curated subfolders full of filth* "ok so this is called bukkake and..."
“no, it was overly pixellated then, too,”

Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004

with regards to tech aptitude i think it’s going to be the kids super into roblox (or whatever its successor is) that become the next programmers. hell i picked up programming because of second life lmao.

i guess with mechanical stuff it’s a bit harder, there’s no parallel for that. a few kids will just be really into cars or machines or whatever, but there’s not a common game that would rope you into those kinds of skills.

maybe it’ll be kids that get sucked into the hydraulic press youtube circle or something like that. get super into making poo poo and then go from there.

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



I picked up programming from Neopets :shobon:

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine
:same: I wanted a poppin guild page

my homie dhall
Dec 9, 2010

honey, oh please, it's just a machine
big shout out to lissa

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Eeyo posted:

with regards to tech aptitude i think it’s going to be the kids super into roblox (or whatever its successor is) that become the next programmers. hell i picked up programming because of second life lmao.

i guess with mechanical stuff it’s a bit harder, there’s no parallel for that. a few kids will just be really into cars or machines or whatever, but there’s not a common game that would rope you into those kinds of skills.

maybe it’ll be kids that get sucked into the hydraulic press youtube circle or something like that. get super into making poo poo and then go from there.

maybe there is some survivorship bias here. I was a mega nerd and I befriended mega nerds so maybe it’s easy to imagine people my age learned more but spose most people my age are actually hopeless on idk mechanical things. tbh I think computers are more like mechanical things than vice versa. there’s a logic.

Perplx
Jun 26, 2004


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my 2.5 year old is getting better at talking, in fact he never stops, last night he very clearly said
“I can’t hear my show, stop talking”

Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004

i’m not sure when my boy (13 months) is going to talk. it seems he is communicating, just no words.

like he’ll throw his food off his high chair, which means “give me some loving cheerios dad”. and now he’s sticking his fingers in his mouth to gag himself, which means “i want some loving water dad”

Perplx
Jun 26, 2004


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we took our kid to child speech person because he was behind in his word count, then he caught up and then some

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



my 14mo has two older sisters who chat her ear off and is extremely communicative using combinations of pointing and grunting and sometimes saying some words like “mine” or “dada” or “bunbun”

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

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Eeyo posted:

i’m not sure when my boy (13 months) is going to talk. it seems he is communicating, just no words.

like he’ll throw his food off his high chair, which means “give me some loving cheerios dad”. and now he’s sticking his fingers in his mouth to gag himself, which means “i want some loving water dad”

There's sign language for kids around this age you can teach them to be able to communicate with you even though they can't actually speak well yet. It's much nicer to have your kids make a gesture with their hands for being thirsty than gagging themselves.

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

My 24 year old step son uses the ATT provided wifi router and like doesn't even have a wired connection to anything. Plus his SSID is lame too. I feel like a failure :(

Anyway he and his new wife have always wanted to have my wife and i close and even liked doing things with us. I used to think that was weird but now I love that they come by and hang out and we can have adult conversations and it's all very chill and nice. I've known him since he was 10 and thought that puberty was going to be rough but he made it through without too much drama. I feel like I used up all of my luck with that though and my almost 6 year old daughter is gonna be a handful

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005

If anyone has any tips on how to get my 6 year old to stop yammering every waking moment without traumatizing her, I'm all ears.

I'll listen to the traumatizing options too, for a laugh.

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



debate club

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005


She's only 6 but that feels like an inevitability when she hits high school.

She just triggers me into being overstimulated sometimes, and I dunno how to deal with it besides leaving her presence for a few minutes, which she frequently won't tolerate.

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



my 5yo talks my ears off too and it can be super overstimulating, especially while driving lol

worse is if I zone out she’ll notice and get mad at me. my strategy so far has just been to enjoy this stage while she likes to talk to me and hopefully she’ll still like to when she’s 13 haha

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

my daughter legit responds well to music in the car. she only wants to hear the same 5 songs though so its a toss up

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


same but 3 years old. it's 6am and you're on the toilet please stop singing oh god

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


the first thing she does on waking up is to remove her pyjamas, put on pants and then either this butterfly mask thing she has or a pair of sunglasses and bust into our bedroom looking like a crazed hero or Iggy Pop lmao

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

it's 6am and you're on the toilet please stop singing oh god
new thread title candidate

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005

Ugh and now my mom decided to do Needy Grandma poo poo by waking me up at 6 am with a message asking to take the kid somewhere today. Our kid doesn't go anywhere without either mom or dad, firstly. Second, we have never been a family that does last-minute plans. I have AuDHD, impulsiveness like that is very much not my thing, and never has been. Third it's a goddamn school day. And fourth, she'd know all this if she ever called to talk to me and not just the kid.

I goddamn don't need this poo poo when I'm in the middle of interviewing for an incredibly important job. I really don't need to be processing why I shouldn't feel guilty for not immediately complying with my mom's unreasonable poo poo, I don't have that kind of bandwidth right now.

When I politely turned down her plan and explained why (it's too last minute and it's on a school day) she just gives me this "well I tried" reply, and it was all I could to not reply back "well, not very hard if you waited til the last minute to make a plan that any reasonable person would refuse"

gently caress, why are the grandparents sometimes the worst part of parenting? Already have to sacrifice half of every other weekend to The Grandma Show. Don't gently caress with my workweek too.

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



i'd kill for family around that could watch little jones. i know you're just venting, but "oh no, there's a capable adult nearby that wants to hang out with my child" lands kinda flat for those of us whose family support is on the other side of the country and/or otherwise unable to look after themselves or others.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


having someone nearby who wants to hang out with the kid but who you don't trust to do so is kind of the worst of both worlds though.

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012



my in laws work and I don’t trust my dad to keep himself alive, much less three kids, so we’re on our own unless we hire a babysitter or wait for a weekend

I’d rather hire a babysitter than deal with a boundaryless gramma tho

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

my mother loves to crow about how she has a masters degree in early childhood development and how she is perfectly capable of taking care of my kid when in reality she can't stop watching youtube or tiktok on her phone. Like, we've left kiddo in her care for date night before only to come home and kiddo is not in bed and running around acting like a crazy person because shes beyond tired and up hours after her bedtime. We don't let my mom watch her anymore. Then she gets all pissed when we wont let her and my kid alone. Like no poo poo you are actively not watching your granddaughter when you're supposed to.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


I'm actually working on my masters in childhood development right now :smuggo:

it's not going well :(

Achmed Jones posted:

i'd kill for family around that could watch little jones. i know you're just venting, but "oh no, there's a capable adult nearby that wants to hang out with my child" lands kinda flat for those of us whose family support is on the other side of the country and/or otherwise unable to look after themselves or others.

Shifty Pony posted:

having someone nearby who wants to hang out with the kid but who you don't trust to do so is kind of the worst of both worlds though.

in my case it's "quite far away but want to visit often" and "don't entirely trust because there's zero recent experience"

visiting is a pain because it's such a hassle having people over when they've sort of forced it (we'd like to see our grandchild regularly!), then you don't get that hand off benefit.

Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004

i’d be happy with my mom taking care of the dude for a day, think she could probably handle it. she did pretty good when he was newborn and helping out.

i’m jealous of my sister-in-law’s in-laws. she took care of their kids like multiple times a week for like over a year. they were in the same town and she was a stay-at-home mom with older kids so she was just like daycare-lite.

goddamnit why can’t i have that :cry:

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

given how many people with computer science training are terrible programmers, I don’t automatically assume that someone with ECE training is going to be great with my kids

Organic Lube User
Apr 15, 2005

Achmed Jones posted:

i'd kill for family around that could watch little jones. i know you're just venting, but "oh no, there's a capable adult nearby that wants to hang out with my child" lands kinda flat for those of us whose family support is on the other side of the country and/or otherwise unable to look after themselves or others.

Oh well grandma also lives an hour away in the mountains, so it's also always a pain in the rear end any time we have to go visit them because my family hates driving 1) in the mountains and 2) more than 10 minutes because they're all babies.

And like I said, the kid doesn't want to be alone with anyone but mom or dad. She'd be anxious the whole time, if not actively freaking out. Lockdown made her very much a mommy's and daddy's girl. And we don't really ever NEED anyone to watch her, my wife is a SAHM.

prisoner of waffles
May 8, 2007

Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.
My 5 y/o tried pretending “I can’t hear you” when he got in trouble for taking part of his sister’s bagel and kept it up for 3 or 4 of my attempts to communicate with him, so he got in trouble and had to go upstairs and have a talking-to.

You’re just trying out different things, but just so you know, when you are in trouble and try to get out of it or be difficult by pretending you can’t hear, you will be in more trouble.

Later on, after I made a sliced-up bagel just for him, he gave his sister a piece to say sorry and very happily shared more pieces with all family present, so I think it came out right. My worry when disciplining my son is that the lesson won’t stick but the stress or sadness will, so that was a reassuring thing for me to see.

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.

prisoner of waffles posted:

I made a sliced-up bagel
#bagelcrime

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prisoner of waffles
May 8, 2007

Ah! well a-day! what evil looks
Had I from old and young!
Instead of the cross, the fishmech
About my neck was hung.
I bagelcrime regularly and unapologetically for my dear daughter, who is currently down 1 front tooth

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