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Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

#RXT REVOLUTION~!
2000





Schwarzwald posted:

I think you'll find that it was the crew of a Klingon ship that brought the whales back, and the one Starfleet admiral that was aboard got demoted for his involvement.

I think YOU'LL find that that demotion was for an earlier unrelated incident and the Federation Council dismissed a rather large bevy of other criminal charges against him and his crew SPECIFICALLY for resurrecting the whales using time travel! There could be no clearer proof of Starfleet's Pro-Whale policies!

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Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister



MadDogMike posted:

Easy, kill them myself, then they can't do it themselves. Boy, indiscriminate murder is really good at solving test situations in Starfleet!

I'm starting to think the real reason for these tests is to weed out the edgelords.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

I have no country to fight for; my country is the earth; I am a citizen of the world.




Yvonmukluk posted:

I'm starting to think the real reason for these tests is to weed out the edgelords.

I came into this thread thinking "The KM is not super important but probably has uses for seeing how commanders react to getting hosed" and am going to leave this thread thinking "the KM is the most important part of starfleet training."

u brexit ukip it
Oct 30, 2004


Exciting Lemon

I mean you can't eat whales if they're extinct so of course you want to steal some from the past.

I am Nwabudike Morgan and I approve this message

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

It's always 2am somewhere.


Do the Cetacean members of starfleet have their own kobayashi maru scenario?

Sanguinia
Jan 1, 2012

#RXT REVOLUTION~!
2000





Trabisnikof posted:

Do the Cetacean members of starfleet have their own kobayashi maru scenario?

They have to fight a whaling ship without Bird of Prey backup

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"

u brexit ukip it posted:

I mean you can't eat whales if they're extinct so of course you want to steal some from the past.

I am Nwabudike Morgan and I approve this message

Head on down to the Restaurant Enterprise for their grayfish special!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpPgavT5am4

Royal Updog
Sep 26, 2019

Do you ever wonder if there are other planets out there
(source)

Trabisnikof posted:

Do the Cetacean members of starfleet have their own kobayashi maru scenario?

They have to maintain their dignity at Sea World

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005







Tulip posted:

I came into this thread thinking "The KM is not super important but probably has uses for seeing how commanders react to getting hosed" and am going to leave this thread thinking "the KM is the most important part of starfleet training."

While the KM technically has no grade and no fail condition, the instructors probably elect to perform some additional assessment on anyone who examines all the factors involved and decides to blow up the Maru themselves.

Barudak
May 7, 2007



McSpanky posted:

While the KM technically has no grade and no fail condition, the instructors probably elect to perform some additional assessment on anyone who examines all the factors involved and decides to blow up the Maru themselves.

"Welcome to the Admiralty!"

Stanley Tucheetos
May 15, 2012



Barudak posted:

"Welcome to the Admiralty!"

I bet Janeway destroyed it after she found out it had the key to getting home without anyone dieing.

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy




Soiled Meat

Janeway would've ignored it until her science officer told her the Kobayashi Maru's cargo was coffee.

Then? Ramming speed.

Barudak
May 7, 2007



Theres a toy store by me called Kobayashi and I like to imagine it contains really messed up toys. Im sorry Harigai-san, only the booster packs you do not buy contain holo-foil blue eyes white dragons.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 18, 2012

haha


Grimey Drawer

Yvonmukluk posted:

I kind of wonder if Starfleet would use the Valiant from DS9 as the basis of a training scenario. Just put them in the shoes of Ensign Nog and say 'your job is to stop these morons from getting themselves killed'.

The captain of the Valiant died when his chair exploded and blew up his rear end

Everyone else on the bridge died from rock related console explosions

God drat star trek has always been stupid

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy




Soiled Meat

Regarde Aduck posted:

God drat star trek has always been stupid

Knowing a ship's shield frequency either lets you 100% penetrate that shield with ease (Federation) or block all shots from ever penetrating with minimal power loss (Borg)

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister



Regarde Aduck posted:

The captain of the Valiant died when his chair exploded and blew up his rear end

Everyone else on the bridge died from rock related console explosions

God drat star trek has always been stupid
True, but what's your point?

Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Feb 23, 2021

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


IMO it's okay to have the bridge start to blow up if the ship's really getting the poo poo kicked out of it. It can be an exciting visual shorthand for expressing the danger the ship is in. My big thing would be that, especially with modern budgets, those should be accompanied by scenes like the torpedo bay exploding into a fiery hell in The Wrath of Khan.


TNG was usually pretty good about it, it was DS9 where they started going overboard with it by apparently having the Defiant's shields channel energy into O'Brien's shoulder.

Sodomy Hussein
Oct 9, 2005

Everything is subject to the needs of intelligence, for geniuses like me. If we actually solve problems, people won't need me and people like me, and this is a travesty without end. You have to squeeze the poor so they know their place, and you fucking commies forget that.


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

TNG was usually pretty good about it, it was DS9 where they started going overboard with it by apparently having the Defiant's shields channel energy into O'Brien's shoulder.

Definitely by design (O'Brien must suffer)

Foxfire_
Nov 8, 2010



PoptartsNinja posted:

Knowing a ship's shield frequency either lets you 100% penetrate that shield with ease (Federation) or block all shots from ever penetrating with minimal power loss (Borg)

Isn't it knowing phaser frequency=>free block, knowing shield frequency=>skip shield? That seems to make reasonable sci-fi sense. If you know what exactly their shooting you can block it easily, and if you know how exactly their blocking you can bypass it.

Bogus Adventure
Jan 11, 2017

More like "Bulges Adventure"

Foxfire_ posted:

Isn't it knowing phaser frequency=>free block, knowing shield frequency=>skip shield? That seems to make reasonable sci-fi sense. If you know what exactly their shooting you can block it easily, and if you know how exactly their blocking you can bypass it.

That was my understanding, but I'm not up to anything past Voyager tbqh.

Did Enterprise, Discovery, or Picard change this?

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

picture me workin McDonald's!
I'd rather pull a mac on you
sorry Ms. Jackson, but I'm packin


Pillbug

why wouldn’t you just constantly vary shield frequency then

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011



indigi posted:

why wouldn’t you just constantly vary shield frequency then

Gotta stop your shields blocking your own phasers too!

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

picture me workin McDonald's!
I'd rather pull a mac on you
sorry Ms. Jackson, but I'm packin


Pillbug

Tenebrais posted:

Gotta stop your shields blocking your own phasers too!

if they could shoot through their propellers in WW1 I think starfleet can figure it out

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes


indigi posted:

why wouldn’t you just constantly vary shield frequency then

Well obviously the strain on the telephasic conduits would cause a neutron disruption in the plasma phase variance, you imbecile. Do you want to deal with cascading hyperproton charge interference in your positronic field containment core every 163.7 seconds? In this economy?

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006


Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

IMO it's okay to have the bridge start to blow up if the ship's really getting the poo poo kicked out of it. It can be an exciting visual shorthand for expressing the danger the ship is in. My big thing would be that, especially with modern budgets, those should be accompanied by scenes like the torpedo bay exploding into a fiery hell in The Wrath of Khan.


TNG was usually pretty good about it, it was DS9 where they started going overboard with it by apparently having the Defiant's shields channel energy into O'Brien's shoulder.

o'brien is secretly like 4x more durable than a neutron star so it's an efficient design

HAmbONE
May 11, 2004

I know where the XBox is!!

Smellrose

I vote for the O’Brien test. O’Brien sits with a group of cadets in a Pub, drinking and telling them stories of all the hosed things that have happened to him.

multijoe
Oct 15, 2007

NYO~HO


Everyone always shits on Harry Kim for being a quantum clone but never on O'Brien for being a time clone, really makes you think

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

picture me workin McDonald's!
I'd rather pull a mac on you
sorry Ms. Jackson, but I'm packin


Pillbug

Wtf is a quantum clone

multijoe
Oct 15, 2007

NYO~HO


Harry dies but gets replaced by another Harry from parallel reality at the end of the episode, but I don't remember if they used those words exactly but the episode was a stab at quantum physics multiverse theory iirc

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

picture me workin McDonald's!
I'd rather pull a mac on you
sorry Ms. Jackson, but I'm packin


Pillbug

so that other universe is still without their Harry. smh

Barudak
May 7, 2007



indigi posted:

so that other universe is still without their Harry. smh

Nah that universe had a regular clone of Harry. Having two was making it unstable as the universe couldn't decide which one to poo poo on from a great height first

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes


He came in from the Harry Kim universe, where everyone is Harry Kim. and nobody ever gets to direct

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Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.



Angepain posted:

He came in from the Harry Kim universe, where everyone is Harry Kim. and nobody ever gets to direct

but enough about my Voyager erotic fan fiction

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