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rare Magic card l00k posted:If sexual impropriety was a deal breaker, Clinton wouldn't have been the nominee in 2016 due to her husband's actions. 2016 was a very different time. I was raped in 2003 and I only felt comfortable even talking to people close to me once the whole MeToo conversation got going. Everything felt like it was moving in a good direction for a minute there  Like my grandma and my aunts - we all talked about things that had happened to us through out our lives and it was a really good moment. Talking about it before was treated as very uncouth and always presented as your own fault. Things that Bill Clinton probably did and then the things Hillary did to shut down rape victims was all par for the course. silicone thrills fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Feb 8, 2021 |
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It's pretty relevant that Tara Reade was turned down by an organization for help with the case, purely because Biden was running for higher office. I read this article when it came out and I was particularly furious. I pretty much felt pretty solidly that anyone who saw this at the time had a responsibility to stop supporting Biden in any way since apparently his possible victim wasn't allowed to seek any real redress. https://theintercept.com/2020/03/24/joe-biden-metoo-times-up/ quote:
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Sodomy Hussein posted:This isn't C-SPAM. Could you not? This is why productive conversations go to hell. Treating "the other forum" as lesser is childish.
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Grouchio posted:I believe that Reade was sexually harassed in the distant past but not sexually assaulted like with Ford. There would've been more credence to her larger claim had she not decided RT to be her main outlet, and had she not begun actively supporting Putin before 2020. RT wasn't her main outlet though ??? Like that came much later. Also If you were raped by a very powerful person and went to every outlet in the US and everyone turned you down, what other choice do you have? Just pretend it never happened? Also I can't believe I even have to say this but we know for a fact that powerful people in this country have literally done catch and kills on stories for years. silicone thrills fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Feb 8, 2021 |
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It should have been disqualifying because she talked about it before the primaries were even under way. He should have literally just not been in the presidential primary field. I feel like at this point now we are just going to have a Clarence Thomas situation. Someone who I think most of us are fairly certain sexually assaulted a woman and still ends up continuing to be one of the most powerful people on our government. And I don't know about you all, that erodes all faith I have in the government. Not that I had much in the first place but its another reminder that we are collectively OK with this a as a country.
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As a sort of tack on to all of this - Do we know now if this made things better or worse in terms of transparency? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-harassment/congress-passes-bill-to-make-members-pay-sexual-misconduct-claims-idUSKBN1OC2V0 I assume worse? more context: https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/416483-former-staffers-push-congress-for-action-on-sexual-harassment-measure
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Grouchio posted:Fixed. Whoops. I feel like you are just trolling this thread at this point.
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Yinlock posted:Why is this relevant in the first place though Because character assassination is the number one way to silence sexual assault victims?
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Feb 8, 2021 18:52
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indiscriminately posted:What I wrote is that emotion is appropriate, aggression is inappropriate. Maybe thing about it this way: When you see "they were no angel" articles after a cop shoots or kills someone who was just selling a cigarette or walking out of a store - does it make you angry? It does for most reasonable people. I get angry as hell when people "they were no angel" victims of sexual assault as well. Bringing up something she did or didn't do 20 years after the fact that absolutely NOTHING to do with the her statement that she was sexually assaulted.
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I think people absolving themselves of any culpability because "oops its late stage capitalism!" is a mistake and a big part of where we are right now as a society. I don't personally see supporting Biden as any different than continuing to buy Bill Cosby's comedy shows after women had started coming forward. You are knowingly supporting someone, whether it be giving them power or money or essentially both since money is power, who clearly hurt people. Even if you don't entirely believe Reade, at least 8 other women made it clear that he has violated personal boundaries in ways that made them uncomfortable for years.
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Feb 8, 2021 20:26
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I voted 3rd party because I personally believe when you vote for someone you are voting for them and endorsing them and their actions. You are saying "I believe this person is the right person to lead this country because their views align with my own and I endorse their actions" and alot of people clearly don't have that view. Which is fine I suppose but its not something I can personally square with.
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This is what ultimately makes me wish the party would burn and is a big reason I will never donate another dime or any more of my time to it ever again.
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The party itself should not have put people in that position. Simple as that. There was 100% an option for them to say "hey this guy isn't going to be allowed to run under our banner" and be done with it but the DNC never did. Higher ups in the party could have said "we anti endorse this person" but they did not. Instead they chose to mentally abuse people / whip them into voting for someone who is a deeply awful human being for alot of reasons.
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Im not angry at individuals who felt like they had to vote for Joe Biden. I'm angry that we have a party that forced this into being. I am angry at individuals who continue to act as if we need to support him or give him an iota of respect or allowance. I will not give him a break. I will not stop hammering him. I will not stop hammering the party.
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I get pretty upset when people imply that being upset about Bidens treatment of women is "weaponizing" sexual assault. I get really upset when people imply that those of us who are upset about it are all using it as some sort of cudgel against a political enemy. It's not. Me and everyone that I know that bring this up? It is genuine. I genuinely get nauseated when I think about him in power. I genuinely am worried about the women around him. I am genuinely sickened by his behavior. There's been a habit of some people to imply that this is not genuine and I wish it would stop. edit: On the record - I think Assange should absolutely be tried for his sexual crimes. I absolutely do not think that should be mixed up with his status with the US and work to expose corruption with in the government. I wish Sweden would have actually taken his sex crimes seriously. silicone thrills fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Feb 8, 2021 |
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SpiritOfLenin posted:People are not talking about you, or people like you in those cases though - they are talking about the very specific people who rather obviously disbelieve accusations against someone on "their" team, the ones Slow News Day posted about. Sometimes you are going to have allies that are horrid shitheads, and this is true of every single thing in existence. Pointing them out is not an attack on you. It's not just me. or a few people. I've seen almost every attempt to bring this up called out as weaponizing it. The discussion was shut down constantly especially during the primary. edit: I'm very happy about the this thread and im glad it got made because its about time we have an real even discussion about this with out mods shutting it down immediately. Im sad we didnt have this during the primary when it could have made a real difference instead of constantly being shut down.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:
Mostly how I felt towards the whole of D&D during that time. I felt like the entirety of D&D was laughing and making GBS threads on sexual violence victims and given I came from being a D&D poster not long before that, it made me fairly bitter towards the whole subforum and it made me lose alot of faith in politics in general. It kicked me into depression pretty hard which is like. yeah I know im broke brained for spending so much time on a forum but that's just me. I had really bad clinical depression and had it treated and am much better now. I really don't think folks get how personal it is to watch someone like Reade get thrown under the bus. There was a whole period where people were like "I dont believe her because she doesn't remember what day it was! Or if it was on the stairs or an alcove" and for me that was personal - I had blocked out most of my sexual assault. I literally had to google the event I was at to remember what the month and week was of it. silicone thrills fucked around with this message at 23:07 on Feb 8, 2021 |
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Thanks! Like I said, this thread is good and i'm glad it was made. I think one way people can do a better job going forward is to not automatically try to discredit the source. I believe it was last week there was some new info and the automatic response was to discredit the that it had also been hosted on RT along with many other outlets and that sort of knee jerk reaction really needs to go. That goes for any sexual assault victim. It all needs to be treated and taken seriously and pushed for having a real investigation. I am not sure how we can fix the DNC going forward. Obviously what all happened was unacceptable.
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I dont think its an unreasonable statement to say "gently caress any person who escapes sexual assault scrutiny/allegations because of their power, job, money etc"
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Jaxyon posted:I was under the impression that Joe Biden is actually pretty personable to those around him, and about as far from Trump as you can get. He's very nice until you disagree with him. See the "dog faced pony soldier" incident. Or any of the times he has threatened to fight people.
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Never forget - Chris Coons literally wrote an op ed to say his daughter definitely wasnt creeped out. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/01/11/coons-my-daughter-doesnt-think-joe-biden-is-creepy/
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Other than him stepping down, I dont know what else there is. It feels incredibly lovely that the US just accepts sex monsters as leaders. But it isnt like this is a new thing.
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I wasn't old enough to remember the first Clinton election. Was his sex allegation stuff brought up at the time?
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Yeah, the republicans will win., because surprise surprise, the Dems are already walking back on: Or honestly just not voting at all because whats the point? Like seriously, not to sound doomer but if one party is offering you runny dog poo poo and the other is offering you stinky cat poo poo then why bother? At the presidential level anyway. Like clearly I volunteer on campaigns and I put my time in and make a huge effort but my entire adult life worth of presidents have been absolutely awful human beings. I've voted in every single election and i've volunteered in the primary for almost every primary I could and I dont feel better for it. As I get older and watch these sexual predators get to continue being shitheads in power just because "well the other guy is a worse sexual predator" all I can do is scream PICK NEITHER SEXUAL PREDATOR HOW loving HARD IS THAT but I cant blame people for not voting when 500,000 votes got thrown out in this last primary and an insanely high amount for the 2016 primary too.
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How are u posted:The May 2020 polling I posted just a little earlier showed, in the Party crosstabs, that about 20% of Democrats reported they though the allegations were true, while 55% actively did not think the allegations were true and 26% said they didn't know. It's not just the donors, most Democrats either didn't believe her or didn't know/care, period. I assume new polling would look worse for Tara Reade because of the smear job that has been so thoroughly conducted against her. RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA!!!!
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I do remember watching the Lewinsky stuff. My parents were hardcore republicans and it was one of the things that initially formed my opinions - which unfortunately at the time as an 8 or 9 year old girl was "wow who cares, they're both adults" and it wasn't until I was in my early 20s that I was like "holy loving poo poo that power imbalance, how hosed up was that"
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Willa Rogers posted:One of the things I've thought about is how Dem sexual abuse & harassment is usually only covered by rightwing media, which makes it easy for liberals to dismiss such news as "Another rightwing smear job by a discredited hack outlet. Don't forget the Prairie Home Companion guy even got outed. Meanwhile a ton of centrists are now super mad that Al Franken resigned over "only being distasteful and hoverhanding a woman's breasts while she slept" meanwhile im just like "good on him for actually resigning" because its one of the only things that redeems him imo.
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I think one of the issues is that Bidens so old that it isnt like he's going to change any of his behaviors. Younger folks clearly care alot more now about things like consent and clear communication because thats starting to really be taught in schools and hopefully by parents too. No means no. Not saying anything isnt consent, etc. There's alot less allowance with younger folks to accept bullshit like "what were you wearing" as a legitimate question. Its a whole societal thing. And it was clear when it came down to voting that younger people didn't want Biden but got steamrolled.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I don't think he's actually all that popular, but idk I could be wrong There was a whole contingent of morons branding themselves cuomosexuals back in March
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I mean, I thought Joe Biden was a massively unpopular piece of poo poo and he seemed to be until the Onion accidentally made morons think he was just cool diamond Joe. I've got no faith in how far the party will go to protect sex monsters.
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I cant decide if "sorry you took my sexual harassment the wrong way" is better or worse than "I literally dont remember you"
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In Twitter jail for saying I'd slap anyone who touched my face with out my permission. Apparently old Italian men grabbing women's faces is totally normal and acceptable behavior. Good to know that's how this is going again. There's a wall of people saying cuomos behavior is totally fine and "we can't let him get Al Frankened" I got Twitter jailed for saying it Biden did his weird face touch thing to me that he constantly does I'd do the same thing like 2 years ago and here it is again. Apparently women defending themselves from unwanted touching just isn't allowed.
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I think the watching how the Cuomo poo poo plays out is pretty relevant when we talk about "how do we move forward" and how politicians who clearly dont respect peoples boundaries in general are treated in the future. I feel like if the dems dont shove Cuomo out the door they clearly learned nothing and will never be able to be trusted as a party
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