LionArcher posted:

Cool. Are you white? because if you are, and you're not more pissed at someone like Tom Brady (who is both clearly a worse human being and also a worse athlete) then your high horsing something that's at least partly fueled in racial biases. Kobe's legal team did what they were paid to do. And yes, it was lovely. And yes, he at least admitted fault and paid a fee. Was justice served? That feels like a different conversation honestly. But I will say if you look at his actions after the case, it appears that he was in fact trying to right wrongs. He championed female sports, put a spotlight on them and was doing a drat good job of being a coach. And now he's dead, so if nothing else your post is in poor taste, but this feels like a derail.

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Jaxyon posted:

I was under the impression that Joe Biden is actually pretty personable to those around him, and about as far from as you can get.

I'm not naive, I assume that every politician no matter how evil is putting on a character. But my understanding was that he had a better in-person game.

Jaxyon posted:

I know he sucks, but my impression was that he's well liked in government. "Not being able to handle disagreement" is most people in power.

The Oldest Man posted:

"You ain't black" springs to mind. As does "Talk about losers."

Strange Poon posted:

Is it even proven she did? Last I saw some lawyers from the defense had claimed people would be looking into it and if she had there would be repercussions. If there hasn't been any actual charges or investigation or any update on if there's been any movement forward on either of them I'm going to assume it was people looking to smear her characters for various reasons like protecting Biden, scoring a retrial for a client, or whatever.

xcheopis posted:

I'm sure your intention was good when you wrote this but it comes across as dehumanizing. Her name is Tara Reade and she can be referred to directly. Maybe say her name and add the other bit as a paranthetical?

Kalit posted:

Holy poo poo, this thread is becoming toxic, with you being the main culprit it seems. A minor suggestion was made by a poster, while acknowledging that they were sure that the OP's intention was good, and other posters are attacking them? And you're still continuing after they came out to the thread about being raped multiple times in the past??

E: Clarified my remarks after looking back on this last page

xcheopis posted:

How hard was it to just scroll on by?

edit: I don't know how many other women are posting/reading this thread. Personally, having been through many of these conversations with leftist men (and some women!) in my life, I have a lot of hesitancy in believing any man will have a "good-faith conversation" about sexual harassment and assault. My confidence that such a thing is possible will coincide with the Left being a lot more active in dealing with these specific crimes within their own circles.

xcheopis posted:

Good-faith conversation until even a single sexual assault victim gently asks that posters think about what they are saying before posting.

Willa Rogers posted:

It's an effective way to derail the thread so that it ends up closed instead of making some tummies hurt.

Ytlaya posted:

I actually somewhat agree if I'm interpreting this right. Something that has kind of bugged me is that some people seem to view Biden being a rapist as being "disqualifying/beyond the pale" in a way that various other terrible things him and other politicians do aren't. I don't really understand why "pushed for a war with a 6-7 figure death count" doesn't fall under the same category of "this guy should be immediately rejected as both a politician and a human being."

I think it's good that people believe Biden being a rapist is irreversibly damning, but I feel like many people treat a lot of the other immensely harmful things him and other politicians do as somehow just being "a difference in policy" (rather than an irredeemable act of evil).

Cabbages and Kings posted:

and I personally am swayed by the "less harm for less people as quickly as possible" argument.

socialsecurity posted:

The implication here is that iraq wouldn't of happened without Biden?

Sodomy Hussein posted:

you can point to any number of issues that the Biden administration has been a measurable good for people on already, in February 2021.

Sodomy Hussein posted:

I would ask people to follow Sanders' example, who certainly isn't 1:1 with Biden on policy but through the effort of decades made things that were politically impossible pipe dreams as late as 2016 become central issues to the Democratic Party in 2021,

generic one posted:

I’m not really sure how to interpret the bolded part. Are you merely asking if it would have happened without Trump, or are you implying there would be no difference in its impact, regardless of who was president?

Sodomy Hussein posted:

I'm not going to further entertain this to turn this thread into U.S. Pol 2 just because some posters got laughed out of that one. In practical terms if you didn't vote for Biden or Trump you may as well have not voted for president at all. That is the choice in front of people who have not decided that engaging with the electoral system is unacceptable. That is why people voted Biden even when they suspected or believed he committed a sexual assault. Because the one actual alternative admitted to one on tape, and nothing happened, except that he got to mismanage a hundred-year pandemic and kill hundreds of thousands through negligence.

Electoral politics simply isn't about which candidate is without sin, it never has been.

LionArcher posted:

Willa Rogers posted:

I, personally, won't knowingly vote for rapists for political office, but I can totally understand why others believe that they have to, especially when they *do* believe in moral relativism.

I don't think it's puritanical (nor is it a purity test) to make this choice for myself.

indiscriminately posted:

edit: vvvvv What's your point? Cases and deaths in New York exploded and then fell and stayed low throughout the summer while the virus raged elsewhere. New York's recovery was the covid success story.

Harvey Mantaco posted:

This thread was really important for me to read. I feel like I've been unintentionally enabling rape culture in ways I'm horrified about in the ways I've discussed Biden. I also don't think I really understood what it meant to fully support rape survivors and stand behind the women these predators target. Thank you to the earlier posters that shared some really brave things to provide context to their posts.

The Oldest Man posted:

This should be considered a litmus test for one of the most important arms of the Democratic party in the country. He's a sitting executive so there are no excuses to be made about letting the voters decide, there's a pile of credible accusations, he's also an incompetent lying grandma-killer, and there's literally no chance of a chud getting in here. The only stakes are whether taking a sex abuser out of office matters more than loyalty to one's feudal party lord does. This is the lowest possible bar available to prove that Me Too was more than just a cudgel to hit Republicans with and then discard when it became inconvenient.

Harvey Mantaco posted:

Bringing up Biden being a rapist with my liberal in-laws and extended family... woof

That's about the quickest and most handily this white boy has ever been dismissed. Probably a good lesson in humility. Didn't even have a chance to discuss, was just a roaring hurricane of not giving a gently caress and disengaged dismissal. Anecdotal I guess but people really just don't want to hear it.

Timeless Appeal posted:

I'd argue that there are already broader social reforms that curb future men like Cuomo or at least that behavior in men like Cuomo.

Insanite posted:

Are you ready to hit rock bottom, thread?

https://twitter.com/PoliticsNYnews/status/1371451910058823683?s=20


This is more brazen, more cynical a move than anything I can recall in recent memory.

How are u posted:

But sure, in your hypothetical world in which it appears a rapist holds office and there's nothing more to it than that,

Sodomy Hussein posted:

If there's a big anti-Tara Reade culture on D&D then people should probably address and engage that, instead of just trying to zone off threads because they are "unwelcome" in D&D or whatever. This thread has often frozen people out with self-righteous screeds about how people who don't see the situation the same way as they do are disgusting and beneath engaging with. At the end of the day it's simply more complicated than that and everyone here knows it.

Crosby B. Alfred posted:

My take, while I think Franken resigning was the right decision it's nowhere near what it was played out to be. Franken might be very well be a lovely old dude but I'm not entirely confident this was the right outcome.

VitalSigns posted:

How is this relevant?

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

To be clear, I didn't say or suggest she's lying. If you think I did, perhaps you read too much into what I posted. If you feel so inclined, you can search my previous dozen or so posts in this thread and see that not only have I outlined my stance on this topic clearly, but also that said stance does not include "Reade lied about Biden."

PeterCat posted:

Check the date.

Crosby B. Alfred posted:

Not exactly true,


I don't think she was too sensitive. Franken took it way too far but not to the point of criminality.

Link


Personally, I think it was dumb, offensive but then again the 2000s were ripe with stuff like Shallow Hall and Entourage. While I don't think we need or should have any of these movies today it's important to recognize that we judge people in the era in which things occurred.

Crosby B. Alfred posted:

Well, I think it's wrong to accuse someone of criminal sex acts if that isn't the case.

This isn't just my own opinion either and disputed still to this day,

The still-raging controversy over Al Franken’s resignation, explained

Crosby B. Alfred posted:

I'm not defending his honor. I think this bizarre view of binary, black-and-white vengeful morality is absolutely gross.

Crosby B. Alfred posted:

What I am saying is that his action don't rise to the level of a criminal sex act.

Crosby B. Alfred posted:

It's like how the song "Baby it's cold" outside is sometimes commonly interrupted as a song about rape... or was the cultural and linguistics used back the 1940s completely different and hence it's just a song about the holidays?