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comedyblissoption posted:The democrats actually did try to coalesce around anyone else that were not the 3 candidates joe rogan was willing to invite onto his show. They tried to push kamala, klobuchar, buttigieg, and the rest of the clown car hard and all of them failed. I think it was CNN that had multiple post-audience panels with a majority saying klob won every debate. I'm sure your intention was good when you wrote this but it comes across as dehumanizing. Her name is Tara Reade and she can be referred to directly. Maybe say her name and add the other bit as a paranthetical?
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Ytlaya posted:Remembering the way Democrats responded to Clinton really puts the lie to the idea that the average Democratic voter is significantly less awful than Republican voters. For anyone old enough to remember, the average liberal take was that no one should care about the President's personal life and that Lewinsky was actually a temptress slut. Hell, I'd wager that most older Democrats would still agree with this take. Many women supported both Lewinsky and Hill.
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Insanite posted:Clinton's approval among women was higher after impeachment than before, IIRC. That doesn't mean no one supported Lewinsky.
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some plague rats posted:This really seems like extremely nitpicky and unhelpful point scoring rather than any kind of sincere attempt to actually grant Reade some dignity or recognition, maybe leave it out? I don't consider sexual assault a game.
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Feb 20, 2021 16:46
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:This really isn't the thread to try out a gross bit like this. Not doing a bit. I've been raped, more than once, and this dehumanizing language is demeaning. You can pile the anger and hate on Biden and also have compassion for Tara. Accusing me of trying out a bit over being asked to consider your words before posting is, at best, tone deaf and ignorant of how all victims of sexual assault are treated whenever they speak up.
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Feb 20, 2021 18:02
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Willa Rogers posted:One of the things I've thought about is how Dem sexual abuse & harassment is usually only covered by rightwing media, which makes it easy for liberals to dismiss such news as "Another rightwing smear job by a discredited hack outlet. One of the (many) spectacularly awful things in treatment of Lewinsky is that she isn't the person who made the accusations and didn't know Tripp was recording their conversations.
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:A rhetorical choice made specifically to tie a rapist to his crime within the context of specifically talking about Tara Reade -- literally in the middle of the conversation about her -- and more specifically drawing the distinction that she, Tara Reade, is merely the most public victim of said rapist by using those words is, I'm sorry, not that big of a deal in the midst of the entire democratic apparatus and, moreover, posters ITT trying to claim Reade is lying, or it doesn't matter, or it's not worth talking about. The ones making this "a big deal" are the ones upset over a small request to consider their language. Why does that upset you so much?
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Feb 20, 2021 19:30
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silicone thrills posted:Don't forget the Prairie Home Companion guy even got outed. I was also surprised and pleased he resigned. People do change and their thoughts and opinions evolve.
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Feb 20, 2021 19:50
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Because it is a profoundly unfair reading and a total refusal to contextualize a good point about how an entire political body worked overtime to smear Tara Reade in order to protect the man who raped her, who is now literally the most powerful man on the planet. This being the thing you wanted to call out specifically instead of, say, the people in this thread who have been probated for calling Reade a liar and/or a Russian agent and are doing it again here reads, at best, as worthless woke positioning to derail the conversation and is indistinguishable from far-right parody, which is what multiple people (the people who are most vociferously calling out the Democrats' hideous treatment of Tara Reade) thought you were doing. How hard was it to just scroll on by? edit: I don't know how many other women are posting/reading this thread. Personally, having been through many of these conversations with leftist men (and some women!) in my life, I have a lot of hesitancy in believing any man will have a "good-faith conversation" about sexual harassment and assault. My confidence that such a thing is possible will coincide with the Left being a lot more active in dealing with these specific crimes within their own circles. xcheopis fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Feb 20, 2021 |
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Willa Rogers posted:I'm p. sure that Franken resigned bc other Dem pols, like Gillibrand, were calling for a (public) Congressional inquiry into his behavior. Remember: Prior to Me Too, Congress buried complaints about harassment by its members with its secret tribunals.
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Feb 20, 2021 20:24
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:I think what they did has a far more chilling effect on earnest discussions of rape and rape culture than the thing they were complaining about, to the extent that multiple posters thought they were a sick gimmick or something at first blush. That seems more "toxic" to me than my recognizing it. Your responses have come across as "caring" about rape victims only in the abstract and not the actual human to whom you are responding. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 20, 2021 20:42
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silicone thrills posted:What's hosed is I'm still running into people who claim Alex Morse was in the wrong for ... dating someone who happened to be in college? In an area where like people are in college into their mid 30s because PHDs. Because when it comes down to it that was it. Dems have 100% weaponized MeToo anytime its their enemy but the moment that it was any of their own people it was quietly swept under the rug or outright ignored or fully shut down harshly via smears. And also get our own house in order.
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some plague rats posted:Oh good, it's that point in the thread where we all have to specify how many times we've been sexually assaulted to decide who's allowed to set the terms of the conversation, that's always a hoot for everyone! Good-faith conversation until even a single sexual assault victim gently asks that posters think about what they are saying before posting.
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Feb 20, 2021 20:57
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some plague rats posted:You're not the only one here that applies to and its lovely to use it to make yourself the arbiter of the conversation as though only yours matters and the rest of us are somehow being victims incorrectly for disagreeing with you I haven't done any such thing. I made one small request that no one has to abide by and now you're losing your poo poo over it.
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Feb 20, 2021 21:01
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some plague rats posted:e: missed your edit, Willa Yeah, it would be bad if someone had done that.
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Feb 20, 2021 21:29
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:I have been sexually assaulted and don't think that has any bearing on what you said or what I said and I loving hate even mentioning it anywhere, much less online, and I don't think I ever have on something awful before but here we are. I, as a sexual assault victim, thought what you did was lovely and have seen those exact tactics shut down conversations before and that has when it has happened, and as it happens now, make me, a sexual assault victim, feel like poo poo. I must stress again that when you smoked on in here people immediately thought you were trolling the thread. It made me, a sexual assault victim, feel disgusted because I, again, have seen those exact tactics shut up a room because everyone gets worried that they're not using the correct language or they might get into a fight with someone because their specific words are being scrutinized instead of the content of what they're trying to say. I guess that counts as "losing my poo poo over it"! and I should have just ignored it and moved on. Boy, I've never ever, ever, heard that sentiment in response to an earnest challenge from someone who has been sexually assaulted themselves! And here you are critiquing my use of language. My feelings are just as valid as yours. Painting a really minor comment on the language used about and at rape victims as only being a right-wing tactic is also pretty lovely. Like, not all of us are going to have the same reactions and triggers and you accused me of being a right-wing troll because I asked that others consider how they talk about us. xcheopis fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Feb 20, 2021 |
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Still Dismal posted:I mean sure, all of this is true. But to pretend that this kind of motivated reasoning, tribalism, whatever you want to call, is exclusive to people with that specific set of political preferences is pretty lol. It's present in literally every political tendency, yes, very much including leftists. I personally know someone who was all about the Tara Reade allegations, saying that they were disqualifying, etc. then turned around and called the allegations against Shahid Buttar (DSA guy who tried to primary Nancy Pelosi from the left, got accused of sexual harassment by a bunch of female volunteers on his campaign) "weaponized white feminism". This is a universal human tendency. People who share your beliefs and allegiances aren't solely deciding their loyalties based on piercing moral vision and careful analysis of the facts either. As well as what happened with DSA-LA.
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