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My cousin actually didn't even notice Martha turned out to be Jon Jonzz in that scene -- there are so many long drawn-out dialogue-free cuts that he just got in the habit of looking at another screen between scenes and missed the transition.  Maybe a plot hole, maybe just something I missed: why didn't Darkseid remember that the anti-life equation was on Earth? They had that flashback showing him squaring off with ancient Atlanteans and Amazons hundreds of years ago, and he pounds the ground and the symbol shows up, right? Why did Steppenwolf have to rediscover it? Didn't anyone make a note of the coordinates or whatever?
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Burkion posted:Someone else covers this but Darkseid and the Amazons flat out state it as well- Okay, but like, he was already there! He came with a bunch of warships and monsters and fought a war! And then he gets beaten and his army gets killed, and now they can't remember where they were? Why aren't they in the same scenario at the end of the movie, then? Steppenwolf gets killed and presumably all his forces too -- why does Darkseid seem to know where our Earth is now, when the last time this happened he had to storm 100,000 worlds to find it again?
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Mar 19, 2021 13:14
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Horizon Burning posted:it might have something to do with the video calls that Steppenwolf kept making, op. I mean, I guess, maybe, but they had a fuckton of warships and stuff there the first time -- if all they needed to pinpoint a single Earth was to trace a FaceTime from Steppenwolf, then you'd think that actually traveling there would also let you pinpoint it somehow.
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Another thing I was surprised that carried over from the Whedon version: Superman and friends still don't have to do anything to defeat Steppenwolf, he's just hosed as soon as Superman shows up. I thought it was kinda funny in the original -- Diana and Aquaman are fighting Steppe side-by-side and just barely holding on, and then Supes just pops in and sends him flying with an uppercut and says "hey guys! how can I help?" and they're just like "I guess keep beating the poo poo out of that guy that's stronger than both of us put together." I thought Snyder's version, with all the emphasis on how they need to fight together instead of alone, was gonna make it so that Superman had to work together with the other Superfriends to hit Steppenwolf's weak spot, maybe it takes all of them blasting away together to break his armor or something. Nope! If anything, Superman's even more overwhelming in this one! Steppenwolf brings his axe down with all his force, and hey, Supes lets it slam right into his muscular shoulder and doesn't even flinch. Then he just delivers a ridiculous one-sided beatdown and tortures him a little with the heat vision before trying to toss him back through the portal in a very comic-booky "we're sending you back to where you came from, Steppenwolf!" Thankfully Aquaman and Diana (do they ever call her Wonder Woman?) had the sense to chop his head off before he has a chance to become a recurring villain.
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Mar 19, 2021 14:37
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Augus posted:stuff like the Anti-Life Equation is so weird and cool conceptually and it's great seeing a movie where that isn't tossed aside for being "too comic booky" like Thanos wanting to marry Death. Yeah, it's one of the reasons I didn't hate this movie as much as I expected to. It's tedious and overwrought and has issues presenting as much story as it does, but there's a lot of fun, out-there stuff too, stuff that never made it to the official release. I would have been really interested to see the Darkseid invasion and the Knightmare plot that seem to be the next two movies Snyder had planned.
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Mar 19, 2021 16:47
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The Saddest Rhino posted:I have watched the Snyder Cut. It was extremely good, I enjoyed it, one of my top caped punchgod movies in a while. I noted some things I found really funny and I would be happy if people could tear these apart and tell me why they're actually good and not dumb, please. - Was this not dumb? I guess it was meant to be a royalty joke rather than a not-from-this-world joke, maybe. I'd imagine every civilization everywhere figures out how to put leaves in hot water to make a beverage, it shouldn't be this weird human thing that she's just now learning about. - Why on earth was MM there in the first place? I kept expecting him to turn up again so we found out what he was up to, but nope. It feels like Snyder meant to include MM in this movie but didn't have any real footage shot for him, so he just tacked a CGI transformation to the end of another scene. - gently caress yes. Canon Snyder Superman is a barely-repressed ball of rage devoid of emotion except as regarding a few special people, a man who loves nothing more than to devastate a city or sadistically cut someone's horn off with his eye lasers.
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Mar 19, 2021 16:58
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Mantis42 posted:Can confirm that everytime Flash goes fast it's really cool. Hah, I actually loving hated the way they did the Flash powers, I honestly can't think of a worse way to depict it on screen. Even the CW show makes it more fun than this one. I mean, sure, the timestop and lightning bolts everywhere was cool, but having him moving so slowly and carefully made those scenes feel slow and boring when they should have felt fast and exciting. I much preferred the effects for Evan Peters as Quicksilver -- they did a similar trick with stopping time, although without the cool pyrotechnics, but his superspeed scenes felt fun and whimsical since he himself was at least running around at normal speed compared to everyone else being frozen. (Also wish they would have given him an hour with a track coach so he didn't have the silliest running style in the world.) I really, really liked the Flash/Superman fight, though. I don't think I've ever seen a show try to depict two distinct categories of superspeed like that, where most of the cast is frozen, and then Supes starts swinging at Barry again and he's actually moving around almost as fast as a regular person, and Barry is clearly a little faster but he can barely keep dodging because he sucks at fighting. Axel Serenity posted:The Flash does, indeed, own bones in this Okay, yes, this bit was pretty tight too. Anytime he's weird and floaty, like saving the girl at the beginning or giving Wonder Woman's sword a little boop, like, ugh. Phenotype fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Mar 20, 2021 |
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:No, that's Pa Kent. Eh, this movie hits a lot of different ways for a lot of different people. Zack Snyder is a really divisive director -- there's a lot about his style that can turn viewers off, but it's undeniable that he's got a gift for cinematography and knows how to make a movie feel epic, so it makes sense that even people who usually don't like his movies want to see if the good outweighs the bad this time around. I came into the movie planning to hate it too, but came out giving it a grudging B- despite myself just because of all the cool poo poo he shoved in there (some of which may have even been better left on the cutting room floor!) He reminds me a lot of Garth Ennis in that he really does do a lot of cool things with his work, but he desperately needs a good co-writer and editor working with him, in Snyder's case to prevent him from turning every movie into a joyless slog. This movie was actually not as bad as I thought it would be as far as "uncut Snyder", there were a lot of scenes that dragged on and a ridiculous number of unnecessarily-long visual montages, but even all the "extraneous" stuff that probably should have been cut was pretty interesting and out-there, and the main storyline was a lot stronger than in the Whedon version. 2house2fly posted:I'm so fed up of criticisms like "indulgent" and "up its own rear end" they're totally meaningless I dunno dude, that seems like a pretty good description of this movie's flaws. What else are you gonna call it when the first nine(!) minutes of the movie are spent on a montage of landscape porn with no dialogue or action? And again, I liked this movie. I'm even gonna upgrade my score to a solid B now that I'm thinking about it. Phenotype fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Mar 21, 2021 |
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ESTABLISHING SHOT: Barn outside a farmhouse - 1980s We hear a man's scream: "Martha, no!" Then we hear a crash and cut to the inside of the barn. A man in his mid-20's (Jonathan Kent, played by an aged-down Kevin Costner) is lying in a heap underneath a fallen ladder, one leg bent at a bad angle, blood staining his face. We see a woman, mid-20s, (Martha Kent, played by an aged-down Diane Lane) standing over him, bottle of gin in one hand and waving the long knife she grips in the other. Jonathan: Martha, please! Martha (swaying, obviously drunk): I should have done this a long time ago Jonathan Kent, you worthless, good-for-nothing-- She bends over him and raises the knife, but wait! A large dark figure springs from a corner of the barn and crashes into her before she can stab Jonathan. As she falls over, we cut to a shot of her head banging into the edge of a heavy tractor, and a trickle of blood comes from her ear. The dark figure kneels next to Jonathan, recognizable as a large man but the cape and cowl on his shoulders prevent us from seeing more than the top of his head. We see the back of his head -- bald, smooth, and maybe dark green? Dark Figure (in a slightly-otherworldly baritone): Are you okay, Jonathan? I couldn't stand back and watch her hurt you anymore. Jonathan (grimacing in pain): I...I think so. Not going to be doing much walking on this leg for a while, though. Is Martha...? The dark figure hunches over Martha's body for a moment, feeling her neck for a pulse. Dark Figure: She's dead. I'm so sorry. I...I didn't mean to, but-- Jonathan (closing his eyes): It couldn't be helped. I always knew that woman was going to kill me. I just don't know what happened to the sweet girl I married. The dark figure kneels beside Jonathan again, cradling his head in his arms. Dark Figure: You're a good man, Jonathan Kent. You deserve much better. Jonathan: Who... who are you, anyway? Why do your eyes look red? Dark Figure: My name is J'onn J'onnz, and I'm... from a place far away from here. It's a long story, but it'll have to wait till we get you cleaned up and into bed. (he drops his eyes, and smiles sheepishly) I... know I must look a little different than what you're used to. Jonathan grips J'onn J'onnz's arm, and looks deep into the other man's eyes. Jonathan: Well, you look great from where I'm sitting. The camera pulls away from the pair as we watch J'onn J'onnz carefully lift Jonathan up and into his arms and then stop and gaze into his face. Then the larger man smiles, and we see him carry Jonathan out through the door, reminiscent of a husband carrying his spouse over the threshold on their first day of marriage. Cut to: TITLE CARD Zack Snyder presents Martian Manhunter: Green is the Color of Love We hear Jonathan's voice: "What are we going to tell people about Martha?" Voice of J'onn J'onnz: I've got some ideas about that.
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bushisms.txt posted:Snyder says in an interview that swanwick has always been MMs alternate identity not some random he met. He doesn't say that Martha hasn't always been MM's alternate identity, though. Until I see a movie showing otherwise, J'onn and Jonathan have been living happily together at the farm in Smallville for years before Clark shows up, and maybe he shapeshifts into Swanwick to keep his hand in. J'onn J'onnz is Superman's mom.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:He knew superbaby would land on that form. He knew Superbaby would land nearby, but while he was keeping tabs on the place, he couldn't help but fall in love with the rugged masculinity of young Jonathan Kent.
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They were in love. e: When Jonathan held up his hand, he was telling both Clark AND J'onn not to reveal themselves. Phenotype fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Apr 12, 2021 |
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