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SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


So I watched the Blade Runner workprint (this is the one that was shown to preview audiences and then later caused a sensation when it was accidentally shown at a film festival which got the ball rolling on the Directors Cut and Final Cut) and right off the bat there's an underappreciated difference that I think helped contribute to why the movie bombed so hard.

It doesn't begin with the text crawl!

How Blade Runner usually begins:


What the workprint has:


I've always maintained that the reason Blade Runner is so goddamn boring was because the Replicants' plight was immediately sympathetic. It's not thrilling to watch Harrison Ford hunt down and kill escaped slaves, and you just spend the whole movie waiting for him to come around.

But without the background in the text crawl the motivations of the Replicants aren't immediately apparent, and I don't recall if there's anywhere else that makes it explicit that their penalty for being on Earth is to be killed outright. Suddenly the setup becomes "future detective tracks down terminators who are killing people for as yet unknown reasons" and the realization that they're just an oppressed class of people comes to the audience more gradually.

So while I imagine first watching the movie without the text crawl was likely a disorienting experience (apparently attendees afterward struggled with questions like "why is the movie called Blade Runner"), the text they eventually went with killed any momentum the story had dead before it started.

SidneyIsTheKiller fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Apr 24, 2021

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SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


Oh, and the workprint is darker and grainier and the end has a temp score that makes the scene come off like a horror movie and I definitely recommend tracking it down.

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004






every version of this movie sucks OP. All the replicants are assholes and deserve death for killing the short goony nerd guy

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


banned from Starbucks posted:

All the replicants are assholes and deserve death for killing the short goony nerd guy

What's wrong with that??

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004






he just wanted to play with his toys op and possibly touch a replicant boob

MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Can I come out and play?

banned from Starbucks posted:

he just wanted to play with his toys op and possibly touch a replicant boob

I guess they made Roy kill a goon to be more sympathetic to the average audience member then.

The main thing that irritates me about all the extended/director/etc. versions of Blade Runner is how they add scenes that push Deckard must be a replicant. I don't mind the idea per se, but I think it works much better as a mystery unsolved (or more accurately solved how the viewer prefers) rather than straight up making it obvious he's a replicant. Helps with thinning the line between humans and replicants that way; I was pleased 2049's only answer when they touched on it was "Deckard's a person, the rest is irrelevant" which really is the important take home message to me.

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006



It's because you've got to run the blade

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


MadDogMike posted:

The main thing that irritates me about all the extended/director/etc. versions of Blade Runner is how they add scenes that push Deckard must be a replicant. I don't mind the idea per se, but I think it works much better as a mystery unsolved (or more accurately solved how the viewer prefers) rather than straight up making it obvious he's a replicant. Helps with thinning the line between humans and replicants that way; I was pleased 2049's only answer when they touched on it was "Deckard's a person, the rest is irrelevant" which really is the important take home message to me.

I'm a "he's a human" guy myself, but you can make the argument that without the extended cuts the movie never actually raises the question in the first place (Rachel at one point asks "have you ever run that test on yourself?" but that always struck me as rhetorical). The annoying part is that the "he's a Replicant" people tend to be like "he finds an origami unicorn so OBVIOUSLY that means he's a Replicant, it's the only logical explanation."

There's a DVD feature about the topic where in a series of talking head clips mostly of a polite back-and-forth of the merits of each side you get a visibly irritated Frank Darabont basically going "of course he's not a loving Replicant you idiots!"

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


The workprint also has a different title sequence that is way chintzier but has its own 80s charm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjOmA7SQJD8

David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?

I do appreciate that the sequel just went and threw up it's hands and said "WHO loving CARES? It doesn't change what happened and what he experience so what difference does it make?"

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


Rutger Hauer was never convinced that replicants were people. "Frankly, I thought Deckard was a little sick, because he ran away with a vibrator that looked like a woman."

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006



Kinda wish I could have watched that TNG episode with the little robot cube helpers that Data declares a new life form alongside Rutger Hauer now

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


I have a brother that was a big Star Trek TNG fan from the beginning, and when Data eventually died he was a little offended that they gave him a funeral, because he was just a robot.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002


SidneyIsTheKiller posted:

I have a brother that was a big Star Trek TNG fan from the beginning, and when Data eventually died he was a little offended that they gave him a funeral, because he was just a robot.

When I'm dead just throw me in the trash!

-Frank Reynolds, Lt Commander Data

SidneyIsTheKiller
Jul 16, 2019

She's delusional,
"where's god", etc.
Completely suicidal.
One day she snaps.
She wants to kill herself
but she realizes that
teen suicide is out this year
and homicide is a much healthier therapeutic expression.


Blade Runner at the Oscars!

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1386...unner-oscars%2F

frogge
Apr 7, 2006




If you hadn't read the book it's still implied in the movie that the Earth is wrecked and the only people still on it are the ones that couldn't get to the offworld colonies. So anyone with medical conditions or what have you get left behind. Then there's the whole hunting replicants business.

EimiYoshikawa
Sep 12, 2017

Defective, dumb, and self-destructive.
This metaphor is getting a little heavy-handed.




MadDogMike posted:

I guess they made Roy kill a goon to be more sympathetic to the average audience member then.

The main thing that irritates me about all the extended/director/etc. versions of Blade Runner is how they add scenes that push Deckard must be a replicant. I don't mind the idea per se, but I think it works much better as a mystery unsolved (or more accurately solved how the viewer prefers) rather than straight up making it obvious he's a replicant. Helps with thinning the line between humans and replicants that way; I was pleased 2049's only answer when they touched on it was "Deckard's a person, the rest is irrelevant" which really is the important take home message to me.

The first version I ever saw of the movie, back as a young'un, was the 'director's cut' that had no voiceovers or unicorn or whatever.

So I, too, find all the 'he's totally a replicant!' stuff really annoying. gently caress off, Ridley. The whole point of the movie is that he, a human, is more devoid of compassion and humanity throughout the film than Roy is in his final moments, you dumb old gently caress.

David D. Davidson
Nov 17, 2012

Orca lady?

Looking at the film from the replicants you can the film as a fairy tale masquerading as a noir tale. Four friends travle a long distance to meet with a powerful wizard to undo a curse.

The behavior of Roy and the other Replicants is not unlike that children. There's a odd kind of innocence in thier action as if they are children.

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MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Can I come out and play?

David D. Davidson posted:

Looking at the film from the replicants you can the film as a fairy tale masquerading as a noir tale. Four friends travel a long distance to meet with a powerful wizard to undo a curse.

The behavior of Roy and the other Replicants is not unlike that children. There's a odd kind of innocence in their action as if they are children.

Oddly enough even their violence kind of fits that; they tend to be overdramatic when they do it - Leon probably would have killed Deckard if he hadn't toyed with him so long, there's also the way he casually drops the eyeballs on Chew when Roy's threatening him. Pris also pretty much got killed because she was flipping around and such instead of just killing Deckard straight up; her death scene even has (rather messed up) "tantrum" overtones to it. And of course Roy does his whole dramatic chase of Deckard at the end. Even with memories they're still not very emotionally mature.

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