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dy. posted:You should have let the town pick who you gaveled. I picked after reading each available gavel option.
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The court recognizes a proper tribunal has been called. There were 10 esteemed players alive at the time of the tribunal. 7 are required to dispense justice.
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May 17, 2021 17:56
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merk posted:I picked after reading each available gavel option. I am incredibly creeped out by that move.
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May 17, 2021 17:57
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There is no deadline for the gavel for what it's worth. You have to post a ##Activate Lurker Gavel command for it to count.
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May 17, 2021 17:57
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dy. posted:Yeah I get that, except we're in a spot where we have to be incredibly careful. You took a tool that we could have used to execute a town consensus choice without the ability for scum to kill and monopolized it without talking about it first. The gavel requires seven players to activate it. What the hell are you worried about? This concern is really fake.
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May 17, 2021 17:58
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merk posted:The gavel requires seven players to activate it. What the hell are you worried about? This concern is really fake.
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May 17, 2021 17:58
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You're playing dumb. You took the conversation from "who should we use merk's gavel on?" to "should we activate the gavel on sng?" and it's incredibly scummy that you're not acknowledging that.
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May 17, 2021 17:59
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dy. posted:You unilaterally picked the target. Would you have picked differently?
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May 17, 2021 17:59
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dy. posted:You unilaterally picked the target. I picked the player that I think is the scummiest out of the available gavel targets. Instead of attacking the action, why not look at SNG? If you do not want to do that, why not figure out if I'm scum? Right now, you're just tossing out what looks like a fake concern with no analysis about what it means regarding alignment.
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May 17, 2021 18:00
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Sandwolf posted:Would you have picked differently? dy wants to virtue signal that he wouldn't have used the gavel in this way. He wants to look town from my action. He doesn't care about finding scum. ##vote dy
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May 17, 2021 18:01
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Sandwolf posted:Would you have picked differently?
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May 17, 2021 18:01
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merk posted:I picked the player that I think is the scummiest out of the available gavel targets. I haven't looked at sng because you did this thing 5 seconds ago. I will of course look at sng but this whole thing is tainted for me now.
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May 17, 2021 18:02
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merk posted:dy wants to virtue signal that he wouldn't have used the gavel in this way. He wants to look town from my action. He doesn't care about finding scum. wtf are you talking about?
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May 17, 2021 18:04
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dy. posted:I have no idea. The point isn't that I disagree with the target, it's that merk prevented us from having a conversation about it. Okay, well merk did that, so now the point IS do you disagree with the target? Do you think SNG is scum or do you just want to throw a strop at merk?
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May 17, 2021 18:04
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Sandwolf posted:Okay, well merk did that, so now the point IS do you disagree with the target? Do you think SNG is scum or do you just want to throw a strop at merk? If you guys don't see any issue with what merk just did I really don't know what to say here. The target is not the point.
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May 17, 2021 18:05
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Sandwolf are you scumbuds with merk?
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May 17, 2021 18:08
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##vote dy It literally doesn't matter, dude. This entire objection is ridiculous That said I am hella WIFOMed out by this Would scum post this? I have no clue
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May 17, 2021 18:10
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merk posted:dy wants to virtue signal that he wouldn't have used the gavel in this way. He wants to look town from my action. He doesn't care about finding scum. You guys are loving baffling.
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May 17, 2021 18:14
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dy. posted:If you are accusing me of virtue signaling that I wouldn't have used it in this way (I wouldn't have) you are implicitly acknowledging that you've used it in a scummy way. Otherwise, what is there to signal? People can have different opinions as to what is virtuous
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May 17, 2021 18:14
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dy. posted:You're playing dumb.
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May 17, 2021 18:15
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dy. posted:If you are accusing me of virtue signaling that I wouldn't have used it in this way (I wouldn't have) you are implicitly acknowledging that you've used it in a scummy way. Otherwise, what is there to signal? I did not use it in a scummy way. I gave myself the most agency to eliminate the player, out of the available players to gavel, that I most believe will flip scum. You are saying I used it 'wrong' rather than saying I used it 'scummy.'
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May 17, 2021 18:16
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merk posted:I did not use it in a scummy way. I gave myself the most agency to eliminate the player, out of the available players to gavel, that I most believe will flip scum. An argument of "you used it wrong" would be me saying "you shouldn't have used it on sng, that is the wrong person to use it on." My argument is "you denied the town an opportunity to talk about who the target should be" which you clearly did.
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May 17, 2021 18:18
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Like why not at least open up conversation about it, get people's opinions on record, and then say gently caress it and gavel sng anyway? It would cost you literally nothing.
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May 17, 2021 18:19
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I have to leave for a bit. Please unvote me for now. This could be lylo.
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May 17, 2021 18:20
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dy. posted:I have to leave for a bit. No
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May 17, 2021 18:20
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I dunno I feel like it is merk's role, he can choose who to put up. We still get to decide if it goes through and THEN merk still has to decide to use it. I am fine with merk having the agency to choose the target. I'd rather he own his choice than weasel out of it by letting the town choose for him
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May 17, 2021 18:20
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Sandwolf posted:Okay, well merk did that, so now the point IS do you disagree with the target? Do you think SNG is scum or do you just want to throw a strop at merk? This feels more aggressive than usual from sandwolf
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May 17, 2021 18:21
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##unvote I guess unvoting is right.
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May 17, 2021 18:22
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Whoa. That is some crazy posting. We get nothing here by “making merk make the choice” if we are in LYLO after it and scum happen to have the last vig (charging vig I guess). Knowing what he thinks doesn’t help if scum win. This is some bad logic imo. Treading carefully feels like the right choice here - that all escalated quickly.
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May 17, 2021 18:30
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.random posted:Whoa. That is some crazy posting. We get nothing here by “making merk make the choice” if we are in LYLO after it and scum happen to have the last vig (charging vig I guess). Knowing what he thinks doesn’t help if scum win. This is some bad logic imo. we get nothing here by bringing the ability to its conclusion at all Why bother going through the entire scenario?
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May 17, 2021 18:34
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Philip J. Fry posted:I haven't caught up yet, but in case y'all go fuckin bananas again, I want to say this we should not vig or gavel anyone during the day today unless we are 100% they are scum. dy, why didn't you jump on Fry for voting in his first post?
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May 17, 2021 18:34
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AT-LOW posted:we get nothing here by bringing the ability to its conclusion at all There are ten alive. Unless you think there are 5 scum, we definitely could gavel and use majority elimination today.
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May 17, 2021 18:35
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I’ll be honest, I’ve been fairly slammed with stuff and not overly talkative, and for that I apologize. But my lurkiness aside (though if this were any other game I’m still posting enough not to get called out by lurker rules) the arguments against me aren’t completely fair.
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May 17, 2021 18:36
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First off, in no way did my town read of ill mucche rely on OA being scum. This is a blatant misrepresentation. I am in mason chat, our interactions with Sandwolf and eachother are multifaceted and THAT is where my confidence in their towniness lies. That is the obvious exception to the OA issue. I felt no reason to bring it up again as I felt we had all been quite clear that as a masonry we have more information on our companions than those in thread and the need to justify it would be lower. Otherwise I apparently post too much.
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May 17, 2021 18:39
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merk posted:There are ten alive. Unless you think there are 5 scum, we definitely could gavel and use majority elimination today. I'm assuming 4 scum. As such, arithmetically, it is basically impossible that that is true. If the case on SNG were 100% airtight, maybe! I guess I can look over it again
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May 17, 2021 18:42
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Is 6/10 (aka the number that is hopefully not scum) 67% somehow?
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May 17, 2021 18:43
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Secondly, most of my casework this game was on OA, yes. Unfortunately They ended up being town, but please do not imply the case wasn’t compelling, because it absolutely was. Several people agreed with it and I’m far from the only one who thought they weren’t playing a strong town game, to imply otherwise is again, misrepresentation. With all these issues people are calling me out on, why do you feel the need to pick breezy talking points? Because you don’t actually believe I’m scum, and wanna push for a quick lunch because people are tired this game.
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May 17, 2021 18:44
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.random posted:Is 6/10 (aka the number that is hopefully not scum) 67% somehow? 67% was already mod-confirmed to be 7
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May 17, 2021 18:44
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Anyway whatever, this is getting bogged down in mechanics. I think posts around this subject have been very hasty and aggressive and what’re hasty part is for sure a bad idea.
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Ok. How does this not look like scum play from merk? Srs question
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