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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

There is another 5 part documentary where people who lived in the GDR talk about their life. It has english subtitles on youtube. It has been posted before but some people might have missed it.
https://kommunistische.org/interview/ddr-film/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkk-HlEJn-I

this is really good, i will be watching later

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

croup coughfield posted:

so whats to be done boys

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
thats nice but how do we get there

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

thats nice but how do we get there

vote blue apparently

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
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Raskolnikov38 posted:

vote blue apparently

i dont see anyone but plat advocating for that here

Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

Mayoist Third Condimentist

Epic High Five posted:

MTW isn't a get out of work free card, you've still got to force contradictions and unrest so the actually revolutionary sphere of the world can have a bit of breathing room

I didn’t used to think so but that’s also why I moved on from the ideology. J Moufawad Paul’s critique of Maoist reason has a good take on the subject.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

:goofy:

@stlouisfed reposted this today for some reason
https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2022/jun/how-does-human-capital-affect-wealth-inequality

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Nonlabor wealth eh

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
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never heard of it

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



I believe it's still the case that the IRS categorizes it as "unearned income" and you'd be surprised at how many people you can make mad by calling it that

camoseven
Dec 30, 2005

RODOLPHONE RINGIN'

not a cell phone in sight, just people living in the moment

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


camoseven posted:

not a cell phone in sight, just people living in the moment

wanna play some stick and hoop

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

quote:

To give his high-souled supporters, male and female, a complete picture of the moral level of the Russian proletariat, Kautsky adduces, on page 172 of his brochure, the following mandate, issued, it is alleged, by the Murzilovka soviet: 'The soviet hereby empowers Comrade Gregory Sareiev, in accordance with his choice and instructions, to requisition and lead to the barracks, for the use of the Artillery Division stationed in Murzilovka, Briansk region, sixty women and girls from the bourgeois and speculating class; 16 September 1918.' (What Are the Bolshevists Doing? Published by Dr Nath. Wintch Malejeff. Lausanne 1919, p. 10.)

Without having the least doubt of the forged character of this document and the lying nature of the whole communication, I gave instructions, however, that careful inquiry should be made, in order to discover what facts and episodes lay at the root of this invention. A carefully carried out investigation showed the following:

1. In the Briansk region there is absolutely no village by the name of Murzilovka. There is no such village in the neighbouring regions either. The most similar in name is the village of Muraviovka, Briansk region; but no artillery division has ever been stationed there, and altogether nothing ever took place which might be in any way connected with the above 'document'.

2. The investigation was also carried on along the line of the artillery units. Absolutely nowhere were we able to discover even an indirect allusion to a fact similar to that adduced by Kautsky from the words of his inspirer.

3. Finally the investigation dealt with the question of whether there had been any rumours of this kind on the spot. Here, too, absolutely nothing was discovered; and no wonder. The very contents of the forgery are in too brutal a contrast with the morals and public opinion of the foremost workers and peasants who direct the work of the soviets, even in the most backward regions.

In this way, the document must be described as a pitiful forgery, which might be circulated only by the most malignant sycophants in the most yellow of the gutter press.

While the investigation described above was going on, Comrade Zinoviev showed me a number of a Swedish paper (Svenska Dagbladet) of 9 November 1919, in which was printed the facsimile of a mandate running as follows: 'Mandate. The bearer of this, Comrade Raraseiev, has the right of socializing in the town of Ekaterinodar (obliterated) girls aged from sixteen to thirty-six at his pleasure. - Glavkom lvashcheff.' ·

This document is even more stupid and impudent that that quoted by Kautsky. The town of Ekaterinodar - the centre of the Kuban - was, as is well known, for only a very short time in the hands of the Soviet government. Apparently the author of the forgery, not very well up in his revolutionary chronology, rubbed out the date on this document, lest by some chance it should appear that 'Glavkom lvashcheff 'socialized' the Ekaterinodar women during the reign of Denikin's militarism there. That the document might lead into error the thick-witted Swedish bourgeois is not at all amazing. But for the Russian reader it is only too clear that the document is not merely a forgery, but drawn up by a foreigner, dictionary in hand. It is extremely curious that the names of both the socializers of women, 'Gregory Sareiev' and 'Karaseiev' sound absolutely non-Russian. The ending -eiev in Russian names is found rarely, and only in definite combinations. But the accuser of the Bolsheviks himself, the author of the English pamphlet on whom Kautsky bases his evidence, has a name that does actually end in -eiev. It seems obvious that this Anglo-Bulgarian police agent, sitting in Lausanne, creates socializers of women,
in the fullest sense of the word, after his own likeness and image.

Kautsky, at any rate, has original inspirers and assistants!

Trotsky really said "turn on your monitor"

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

The hotter, the wetter, the better

camoseven posted:

not a cell phone in sight, just people living in the moment

Taffer
Oct 15, 2010


A guy I've been arguing politics with wants me to read Bookchin. Is he worth reading?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Taffer posted:

A guy I've been arguing politics with wants me to read Bookchin. Is he worth reading?

the social ecology stuff is kind of interesting if you like reading about the environment, and i was interested in communalism some years ago as something that could arise in some places wrt Climate. hes idealistic and isn't very serious about class politics, which can be annoying to read.

i guess the closest in practice to those ideas was in Rojava. I don't see democratic confederalism as being resilient to challenges from states. I feel duty-bound to understand where Apo is coming from but it may not be that captivating without that motivation or a general interest in theorizing about the environment. I found apo's own books more interesting to read thoroughly, esp the historical analysis in the roots of civilization -- flawed in research and overgeneralized but that's pretty forgivable for a guy in prison.

mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 04:23 on Feb 1, 2023

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

Taffer posted:

A guy I've been arguing politics with wants me to read Bookchin. Is he worth reading?

from Mr Parenti:

quote:

Left anticommunists remained studiously unimpressed by the dramatic gains won by masses of previously impoverished people under communism. Some were even scornful of such accomplishments. I recall how in Burlington Vermont, in 1971, the noted anticommunist anarchist, Murray Bookchin, derisively referred to my concern for “the poor little children who got fed under communism” (his words).

I guess he could still have something worthwhile to say :shrug:

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
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Taffer posted:

A guy I've been arguing politics with wants me to read Bookchin. Is he worth reading?

no

disaster pastor
May 1, 2007


AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy8CrizjKh4&t=2s

I asked about the GDR itt a while back, I found this video while googling and it's an interview with an American defector to the Soviet Union who lived in the GDR. It's a pretty interesting video, and I just wanted to share.

thank you for sharing this, I finally had time to watch it and it's really interesting

especially liked the part where they drift into freedom of speech and he makes the joke about how "before we could make fun of our boss but not the party, now we can make fun of the party but definitely not our boss," which is a pithy way of making the point, and then goes on to elaborate and emphasize that even with the stasi around, people still said whatever they wanted, they were just smart about not saying it when it could really get them into trouble. and really, how different is that from the west now, where free speech is supposed to be explicitly guaranteed, but e.g. the cops can still detain, arrest and beat you and get away with it if they just say they thought you might have had an offensive tone to your inoffensive words?

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

I forget if it got rec'd in this thread or a reading/publications thread but I wanted to thank whoever it was that linked something from monthly review, been subscribing for a bit now and it's good poo poo

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

In Training posted:

I forget if it got rec'd in this thread or a reading/publications thread but I wanted to thank whoever it was that linked something from monthly review, been subscribing for a bit now and it's good poo poo

they got mr for the real poo poo and mronline as an aggregation that's suitable for a daily rss feed. no there is no mrs.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Sunny Side Up posted:

Even the most basic grasp of materialism escapes most. I, too, am a dingus, but just asking “what real, concrete place does this come from and effect?” is enlightening.

historical materialism, or as i like to call it "follow the money"

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

lolling at this new study

Qualified support for normative vs. non-normative protest: Less invested members of advantaged groups are most supportive when the protest fits the opportunity for status improvement

quote:

• Only less invested advantaged members are sensitive to the context of protest.

• Normative protest is acceptable when status improvement is likely.

• Non-Normative protest is acceptable when status improvement is unlikely.

• Acceptability of protest is reflected on legitimacy and support.

• The less invested see inequality as more illegitimate when protest and context fit.

quote:

Disadvantaged groups use different means to protest inequality. Normative protest is more likely when the societal context of inter-group inequality signals that there is opportunity for status improvement. Non-normative protest is more likely to occur in systems in which status improvement is unlikely. However, little is known about how advantaged groups react to (normative vs. non-normative) protest as a function of the likelihood for status improvement of the disadvantaged offered by the context (high vs. low).

Four experiments (N = 1092) assessed endorsement of protest among advantaged group members using different operationalizations of likelihood for status improvement and type of protest in four different intergroup contexts. Advantaged group members scoring lower in self-investment in their group identity endorsed protest more when the form of protest matched likelihood for status improvement than when it did not. Specifically, less invested members most supported normative protest (i.e., marches, petitions) when likelihood for status improvement was high and non-normative protest (i.e., hacking, destruction of property) occurring in contexts in which status improvement was unlikely. Highly self-invested individuals tended to be unaffected by the form of protest or type of inequality.

Mediated moderation analyses suggested that increased appraisals of illegitimacy of inequality explained why support (i.e. among the less invested) was higher when the form of protest fitted opportunity for societal improvement. Results suggest that those less committed to their advantaged position jointly consider type of protest and its context of occurrence when forming opinions on acceptability of disadvantaged protest.

Journal of Experimental Social Psychology https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jesp.2023.104454

Fortaleza
Feb 21, 2008

Feels like randomly subbing to various periodicals called ____ Review would have a decent hit rate for quality

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

mawarannahr posted:

lolling at this new study

Qualified support for normative vs. non-normative protest: Less invested members of advantaged groups are most supportive when the protest fits the opportunity for status improvement



Journal of Experimental Social Psychology https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jesp.2023.104454

hmm what does the data say about water being wet

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 102 days!

mawarannahr posted:

lolling at this new study

Qualified support for normative vs. non-normative protest: Less invested members of advantaged groups are most supportive when the protest fits the opportunity for status improvement



Journal of Experimental Social Psychology https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jesp.2023.104454

i wonder how much this cost

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Maybe the toast lands butter side up more often, you never know, this is valuable science

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

croup coughfield posted:

i wonder how much this cost

eh, I guess it's a living but yeah it's just empiricizing the obvious and getting paid for it.

you can probably find out exactly how much looking at Maastricht university's records, which are probably public.

the lead author seems to have built an entire career on it, though I wonder how much a Dutch person in Dutchlandia is really getting about the USA
  • For Powerholders ‘More is More’: Power Shapes Judgments of Logically Equivalent Comparative Statements
  • White Americans' belief in systemic racial injustice and in-group identification affect reactions to (peaceful vs. destructive)" Black Lives Matter" protest.
  • Understanding Sentiment Toward “Black Lives Matter”
  • Some Psychological Implications of Black Struggle
  • Spatial agency bias and word order flexibility: A comparison of 14 European languages
  • On the protective role of identification with a stigmatized identity: Promoting engagement and discouraging disengagement coping strategies
  • Subjective status and perceived legitimacy across countries
  • Is Martin Luther King or Malcolm X the more acceptable face of protest? High-status groups’ reactions to low-status groups’ collective action.
  • Subjective status and perceived legitimacy across countries (Dataset)
  • Psychopathy, criminal intentions, and abnormal appraisal of the expected outcomes of theft
  • “I do the dishes; you mow the lawn”: Gender effects in stereotypically feminine negotiation tasks
  • Choosing a group representative: The impact of perceived organizational support on the preferences for deviant representatives in work negotiations
  • When votes depend on who's listening: Voters' intragroup status and voting procedure predict representative endorsement in intergroup contexts
  • Who can give me satisfaction? Partner matching in fear of intimacy and relationship satisfaction
  • When does it hurt? Intergroup permeability moderates the link between discrimination and self‐esteem
  • To Be or Not to Be Unionized?
  • Playing with deviance: Typicality assessments of ingroup members as a strategy of outgroup approach
  • Mehr als reine Ideologie: Der Einfluss von Stereotypen in politischen Verhandlungen
  • The electrocortical response to the perception of pain is modulated by group membership

they're probably not useful to anyone except other people making a career. I have a feed for checking this stuff out, many years ago I considered this type of work and decided it was a waste of time.

however there can be some interesting data points from time to time; I read one about the teacher strikes in uh somewhere, USA that collected views from parents and showed they were pretty vastly in favor of the strikes, contrary to media depiction.

Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

Mayoist Third Condimentist
Any recommendations for videos or podcasts (or books or anything) on a Marxist critique of Foucault or power dynamics between oppressed/exploited people? So far all I found is a quora post and BadEmpanada sharing evidence Foucault was a pedophile sex tourist

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


Sunny Side Up posted:

Any recommendations for videos or podcasts (or books or anything) on a Marxist critique of Foucault or power dynamics between oppressed/exploited people? So far all I found is a quora post and BadEmpanada sharing evidence Foucault was a pedophile sex tourist

there's a collective book called Foucault and neoliberalism that has some pretty good essays.

there's also this

https://ctheory.sitehost.iu.edu/resources/fall2020/Rockhill_Foucault_The_Faux_Radical_Final_Version.pdf

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

The more Marxist theory I read the more pissed off i get retroactively at the amount of postmodern garbage I read in College.

Sunny Side Up
Jun 22, 2004

Mayoist Third Condimentist

In Training posted:

The more Marxist theory I read the more pissed off i get retroactively at the amount of postmodern garbage I read in College.

I just lament how much time I wasted getting smart in stupid ways

tristeham posted:

there's a collective book called Foucault and neoliberalism that has some pretty good essays.

there's also this

https://ctheory.sitehost.iu.edu/resources/fall2020/Rockhill_Foucault_The_Faux_Radical_Final_Version.pdf

Many thanks!

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

In Training posted:

The more Marxist theory I read the more pissed off i get retroactively at the amount of postmodern garbage I read in College.

I'm pretty sure this is Gabriel Rockhill's origin story

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Sunny Side Up posted:

I just lament how much time I wasted getting smart in stupid ways

This is a good way of putting it lol

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...
I think a little cultural materialism is okay, as a treat

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if academic post modernism was propped up by the intelligence agencies just like art and literature was

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

Gleichheit soll gedeihen
i really don't think it would need to be. where's zodium?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Cuttlefush posted:

i really don't think it would need to be. where's zodium?

Yeah, Cybernetics was also championed by socialists like Stafford Beer. That it was weaponized by neoliberalism is tragic, but not necessarily an op.

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022


KomradeX posted:

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if academic post modernism was propped up by the intelligence agencies just like art and literature was

they were. the frankfurt scholl got a poo poo ton of funding from the CIA.

there's even a former nazi propagandist (Paul de Man).

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Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...
I don't think of the Frankfurt School as being post-modernist, though.

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