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animist
Aug 28, 2018

WorldsStongestNerd posted:

Understanding thermal dynamics isn't impressive in this context. Quantum physics is more important. Obviously aliens have solved the unified field theory, and are able to manipulate gravity and mass. They don't have high heat output because they require very little energy. With the flip of a switch, a multi ton craft now weighs only a few pounds. The forces involved in turning and stopping are also greatly reduced, because the object has no mass.

:thunk:

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WEH
Feb 22, 2009

lmao

Log082
Nov 8, 2008


why do people keep trying to debate the DnD thread

just go to the DnD thread

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Wheeee posted:

This is a giant nothing. This is getting really loving sad and desperate at this point.

I want to make this very very clear.

Alien craft are not visiting the earth, and any discussion of the idea without any proof is akin to solipsism. We work with hard evidence, quantitative data, and known physical principles. Nobody has provided any of those three things. Blurry video is not evidence. eye witness testimony is not evidence. inconclusive pictures are not evidence.

if you believe there are aliens visiting earth despite the lack of evidence, you are making the same argument that creationists make regarding god. It is not science, it is not even debate. it is farce.

WorldsStongestNerd posted:

Understanding thermal dynamics isn't impressive in this context. Quantum physics is more important. Obviously aliens have solved the unified field theory, and are able to manipulate gravity and mass. They don't have high heat output because they require very little energy. With the flip of a switch, a multi ton craft now weighs only a few pounds. The forces involved in turning and stopping are also greatly reduced, because the object has no mass.

Like, who gives a poo poo about mechanical engineering and thermal dynamics? You're relying on expertise in a field that has nothing to do with this.

:actually:

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Log082 posted:

why do people keep trying to debate the DnD thread

just go to the DnD thread

Adam Curtisly: but the future refused to change.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-06-05/pentagon-s-ufo-report-demands-human-response-to-alien-question

We Need a Plan If We Find Out We're Not Alone

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Wheeee posted:

This is a giant nothing. This is getting really loving sad and desperate at this point.

I want to make this very very clear.

Alien craft are not visiting the earth, and any discussion of the idea without any proof is akin to solipsism. We work with hard evidence, quantitative data, and known physical principles. Nobody has provided any of those three things. Blurry video is not evidence. eye witness testimony is not evidence. inconclusive pictures are not evidence.

if you believe there are aliens visiting earth despite the lack of evidence, you are making the same argument that creationists make regarding god. It is not science, it is not even debate. it is farce.

Buster I think you're posting in the wrong thread

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

Buster I think you're posting in the wrong thread

Thanks, I'll be here all week. Try the veal, And don’t forget to tip your servers.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Understanding that proposed FTL propulsion technology requires massive amounts of energy, shouldn't it be possible to experimentally validate it using some sort of ultra-short picosecond pulses on a micro-scale? There are already petawatt lasers in existence, isn't it concievable to maybe move a single molecule a few microns using a warp bubble or something? All the papers talk about like a 200m diameter warp bubble which is nice but reeks of physicists not earnestly looking to propose experimental jumping off points

WEH
Feb 22, 2009

quote:

the first one we saw was probably doing half of warp speed,it moved very swiftly,the technology's got to be incredible for the way it moved,probably might have even been fractal and then decided to make itself appear for a short time~the second one was clearer and for longer probably 5sec,made itself obvious because it changed altitude twice in those 5 sec if u know what I mean and it was moving fast.

fractal ufos are good for u kno what

Log082
Nov 8, 2008



I guarantee you we have a plan. The pentagon plans for all kind of crazy poo poo, because it's a way to keep in practice and build up planning skills, and also hey if interdimensional leprechauns ever invade for our lucky charms, they'll have a plan for that.

I do think we should probably have a plan that wasn't made by the military, though. Maybe. Probably.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Justin Tyme posted:

Understanding that proposed FTL propulsion technology requires massive amounts of energy, shouldn't it be possible to experimentally validate it using some sort of ultra-short picosecond pulses on a micro-scale? There are already petawatt lasers in existence, isn't it concievable to maybe move a single molecule a few microns using a warp bubble or something

You need negative mass to make the warp thing work, and we don’t know how to make that.

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

i've always thought that the best solution to the fermi paradox is to posit that life is relatively common throughout the universe but consciousness is not, and that without consciousness, there's no way for a species to figure out what those stars in the sky that they can't interact with are all about and formulate the necessary intention to visit them. life has been evolving on earth for billions of years, but it's only within the last few million that its produced a species with consciousness. it's at least worthwhile to consider that while life might not be rare, the thing in our brains that lets us spend massive resources to possibly go there is exceedingly rare.

Log082
Nov 8, 2008


Antifa Turkeesian posted:

You need negative mass to make the warp thing work, and we don’t know how to make that.

Somebody posted a paper earlier in the thread where the author had sorted out a geometry that "only" required incredibly large amounts of normal energy and no exotic negative mass or energy.

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

Wheeee posted:

I'm a mechanical engineer with a very good understanding of thermodynamics, thermal storage, heat pumps, and other thermal technologies.

lol too much of a giveaway too soon

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


Antifa Turkeesian posted:

You need negative mass to make the warp thing work, and we don’t know how to make that.

I thought negative mass/energy was solved out of the warp drive equations?

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

man, i miss sagan

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 228 days!

Wheeee posted:

This is a giant nothing. This is getting really loving sad and desperate at this point.

I want to make this very very clear.

Alien craft are not visiting the earth, and any discussion of the idea without any proof is akin to solipsism. We work with hard evidence, quantitative data, and known physical principles. Nobody has provided any of those three things. Blurry video is not evidence. eye witness testimony is not evidence. inconclusive pictures are not evidence.

if you believe there are aliens visiting earth despite the lack of evidence, you are making the same argument that creationists make regarding god. It is not science, it is not even debate. it is farce.

lol, I'm talking about what is plausible based on this or that assumption that can't be settled yet but which has recent evidence and work which is exciting to think about because there's a chance of something that previously seemed impossible being real

and you have this weird pseudo-religious assertion that aliens cannot possibly have set foot on Earth, period, and consider evidence a priori not only wrong but also dumb to even consider

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

WorldsStongestNerd posted:

Understanding thermal dynamics isn't impressive in this context. Quantum physics is more important. Obviously aliens have solved the unified field theory, and are able to manipulate gravity and mass. They don't have high heat output because they require very little energy. With the flip of a switch, a multi ton craft now weighs only a few pounds. The forces involved in turning and stopping are also greatly reduced, because the object has no mass.

Like, who gives a poo poo about mechanical engineering and thermal dynamics? You're relying on expertise in a field that has nothing to do with this.

Look I just watched part of Stargate SG 1 season 1 and the high tech humans clearly say that quantum physics is a misconception

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Hodgepodge posted:

lol, I'm talking about what is plausible based on this or that assumption that can't be settled yet but which has recent evidence and work which is exciting to think about

and you have this weird pseudo-religious assertion that aliens cannot possibly have set foot on Earth, period, and consider evidence a priori not only wrong but also dumb

why do you think its aliens? time travelers from earth or an advanced oceanic civilization seem far more plausible

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Is it not just as reckless an application of the scientific method to assume that repeatable data that doesn't fit a given framework is faulty rather than the framework itself?

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 228 days!

Vomik posted:

why do you think its aliens? time travelers from earth or an advanced oceanic civilization seem far more plausible

its bigfoot

smarxist
Jul 26, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
aliens are real and i'm gonna eat one's rear end

WEH
Feb 22, 2009

Azathoth posted:

i've always thought that the best solution to the fermi paradox is to posit that life is relatively common throughout the universe but consciousness is not, and that without consciousness, there's no way for a species to figure out what those stars in the sky that they can't interact with are all about and formulate the necessary intention to visit them. life has been evolving on earth for billions of years, but it's only within the last few million that its produced a species with consciousness. it's at least worthwhile to consider that while life might not be rare, the thing in our brains that lets us spend massive resources to possibly go there is exceedingly rare.

BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED

(never thought about it that way, I dig it)

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

No it's simple, we have such a perfect understanding of the universe and all aspects of physics, and since we don't have a framework within that understanding for how this might work, it must therefore not be real and the only possible explanation is that everyone who is seeing anything that doesn't match up with that understanding is either hallucinating or lying. certainly, there could not possibly be something that we do not understand, and so therefore I am quite convinced that I am right and that you are all wrong. You can trust me, I'm an engineer.

Fuck You And Diebold
Sep 15, 2004

by Athanatos

smarxist posted:

aliens are real and i'm gonna eat one's rear end

no one trusts government or the news anymore if you really want to grab peoples attention get some aliens on pornhub

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


One of the craziest UFO sightings i've heard about was the Ariel school incident in Zimbabwe, from 1994. I searched the thread for "Ariel" and got nothing, so made a big post about it, before searching for "zimbabwe" and seeing that people have already discussed it lol. But here's a summary for anyone who hasn't heard about it yet:

60+ elementary and middle school kids witnessed a UFO land in the field beyond their schoolyard. First the nearby electrical lines started buzzing loudly, and then a UFO descended, and two or three being exited, who had thin spindly bodies/limbs, large black eyes, tiny mouths/noses/ears, big heads, and long black hair.

They then noticed that they were being watched by a bunch of kids, and approached them. One of the kids stated that when one of the beings approached her, it was walking the air above the ground, rather than walking on the ground itself, and then it started mimicking her movements. Other kids claimed that when another being begin to approach them, that it started to "glitch out" in a way reminiscent of a video tape being rewinded repeatedly. It would walk towards them and then suddenly appear back where it had started and walk towards them again, over and over.

Then, allegedly, the beings started telepathically communicating with various kids via eye contact, and shared images of climate destruction and mass death, and warnings of the end of the world, terrifying the gently caress out of the kids.

Then they left.

Unfortunately, all of the teachers were inside for a staff meeting when this occurred, so only kids saw it (though an adult who lived nearby did claim to see a UFO earlier in the day). But they were so shaken up, and so consistent in their stories, that a lot the adults were convinced that something really did happen, and they were able to get the head of the Harvard school of psychiatry (who specialized in child psychology), John Mack, to come over and interview all the kids about what happened. And he came to the conclusion that they all really did see something, or at least believed that they saw something, and they were genuinely frightened about it. He said that he went into the interviews as a skeptic, but came out feeling unsure and creeped out by the whole thing.

So maybe it was a mass hallucination, or maybe a bunch of kids decided to pull a weirdly detailed hoax and all managed to stick to their stories, to the point that even 30 years later, they're sticking to it, and still claim that it was real and still terrifies them. Or maybe it was motherfuckin aliens lol

The incident doesn't have videos and radar data, or the testimony of trained observers with lots to lose, accompanying it and lending credibility, but the whole thing does sound pretty weird.

:trumppop:

another fun note, is that the Harvard DnD lib nerd types actually investigated Jon Mack for being irresponsible, for daring to take UFOs seriously at all. Didn't go anywhere though, and he remained head of the psychiatry department until he died.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

mastershakeman posted:

Look I just watched part of Stargate SG 1 season 1 and the high tech humans clearly say that quantum physics is a misconception

Did that lady show her boobs in the pilot on your copy?

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Azathoth posted:

i've always thought that the best solution to the fermi paradox is to posit that life is relatively common throughout the universe but consciousness is not, and that without consciousness, there's no way for a species to figure out what those stars in the sky that they can't interact with are all about and formulate the necessary intention to visit them. life has been evolving on earth for billions of years, but it's only within the last few million that its produced a species with consciousness. it's at least worthwhile to consider that while life might not be rare, the thing in our brains that lets us spend massive resources to possibly go there is exceedingly rare.

the fermi paradox isn't even a real thing - it's literally based on a second-hand telling of what he said at lunch, lol.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Did that lady show her boobs in the pilot on your copy?

I'm just watching on Netflix out of laziness so I don't think so, but I watched the pilot ages ago and stopped until watching EPs 3-18 this past week and a half (then my ancient CPU overheated so I had to stop until I get some thermal paste)

My cpu is a ufo since it doesn't have understandable thermal properties

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

https://twitter.com/uncertainvector/status/1401345403438645252?s=20

You can't get 2/3rds of americans to agree on goddamned anything
If that's accurate it also certainly makes me think the skeptics are a very squeaky minority

2/3 of americans agree on medicare for all

coelomate
Oct 21, 2020


Also I'd like to point and laugh at team: "zOMG is the US admitting it can't control its own airspace??//!!/1??"

The airspace is perfectly under control, because either these very real and maybe alien adversaries disappear when we employ sophisticated counter measures like "trying to look at them," or else they are not threats to our airspace in the first place.

Any non-earth/non-human theory requires you to assume these objects are blipping around, some but not all of the time, and then deliberately loving off. But only around certain aircraft at certain times. All while being otherwise undetectable to all of the imaging technology we have imaging... everything... all the time.

I mean. Sure. Maybe!

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


coelomate posted:

Also I'd like to point and laugh at team: "zOMG is the US admitting it can't control its own airspace??//!!/1??"

The airspace is perfectly under control, because either these very real and maybe alien adversaries disappear when we employ sophisticated counter measures like "trying to look at them," or else they are not threats to our airspace in the first place.

Any non-earth/non-human theory requires you to assume these objects are blipping around, some but not all of the time, and then deliberately loving off. But only around certain aircraft at certain times. All while being otherwise undetectable to all of the imaging technology we have imaging... everything... all the time.

I mean. Sure. Maybe!

greetings mick west

Bideo James
Oct 21, 2020

you'll have to ask someone else about the size of her cans
Aliens are going to come down and deliver swirlies and wedgies as punishment for the wrong think of denying them and their association with UAPs or UFOs.

I will of course be last in line and giggling the entire time, but I will not be spared.

Lampsacus
Oct 21, 2008

My god, you people could benefit from having gone through an internet atheist phase.
Burden of proof.

Group A asserts they have been convinced aliens definitely have not visited Earth.
Group B asserts they have been convinced aliens definitely have visited Earth.
Group C hasn't been convinced either way.

You can be convinced for bad reasons and good reasons.

There are plenty of bad reasons to be convinced aliens are here. But that doesn't mean that they aren't. And right now, these UAP videos and such are compelling to some, and aren't to others. The good question that keeps brought up here is; Why is it reasonable to find these compelling. The bad question that keeps getting brought up here is; Why are those who seem to either be convinced of something I am not, or seem less or more inclined to believe it, so stupid and dumb and not like me a reasonable, rational human so wise

animist
Aug 28, 2018
i mean tbh if I was an alien scopin out the solar system I'd probably just hang out in the Oort cloud and watch earth from a distance. get a hundred drones, each a few meters in diameter, and scatter them in space a few light seconds apart. Bam, now you have a giant virtual telescope, like the one we made to image that black hole. Now you can watch the president eat breakfast while remaining utterly undetectable

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

Lampsacus posted:

My god, you people could benefit from having gone through an internet atheist phase.
Burden of proof.

Group A asserts they have been convinced aliens definitely have not visited Earth.
Group B asserts they have been convinced aliens definitely have visited Earth.
Group C hasn't been convinced either way.

You can be convinced for bad reasons and good reasons.

There are plenty of bad reasons to be convinced aliens are here. But that doesn't mean that they aren't. And right now, these UAP videos and such are compelling to some, and aren't to others. The good question that keeps brought up here is; Why is it reasonable to find these compelling. The bad question that keeps getting brought up here is; Why are those who seem to either be convinced of something I am not, or seem less or more inclined to believe it, so stupid and dumb and not like me a reasonable, rational human so wise

why do you think they are aliens? its supposed to be objects in the sky - our sky - not even in space. why do you think they came from a different planet?

Bideo James
Oct 21, 2020

you'll have to ask someone else about the size of her cans
Going to the woods this weekend to meet bigfoot.

He said some UFO dudes might show up but he's not promising anything

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


Lampsacus posted:

The good question that keeps brought up here is; Why is it reasonable to find these compelling.

there's lots of reasons to find it compelling in the year 2021, but some people really don't want to consider any of them, and just plug their ears and scream NO and BALLOONS over and over lol

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Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan
i would guess the biggest reason people like to argue about it is its weird to see a leftist forum just literally reposting military and cia videos and nytimes articles.

if these objects are truly objects - what is the proof that it isn't the cia testing out a new populace control mechanism and they're using some military technology to gently caress with people? they said they aren't?

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