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I am absolutely convinced that this series should be an anime and that there's no way to do the magic justice in a medium outside of animation. That said I'm also super excited to see it in live action.
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It's 2021, the line between cgi and straight up animation isn't what it used to be. Just look at literally any Marvel thing.
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Jul 25, 2021 16:17
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twistedmentat posted:I tried to read the first book 20 years ago and I was bored to death. Please note this is also when I was at my move voracious reading, so its less I was too young and more it was boring. I remember telling my friend who lent me it that it made me think if Bilbo's party just kept going and going and there was no point to any of it. He told me "oh it gets real good in book 4" and I'm thinking I don't want to read that much before the series gets good. twistedmentat posted:The only other thing I know is "tugs on their braid" Natural 20 posted:I am absolutely convinced that this series should be an anime and that there's no way to do the magic justice in a medium outside of animation.  Natural 20 posted:That said I'm also super excited to see it in live action. IRQ posted:It's 2021, the line between cgi and straight up animation isn't what it used to be. Just look at literally any Marvel thing.
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Jul 25, 2021 17:19
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Vavrek posted:Yeah, when explaining the structure of the series to people, I say: There's an Opening Trilogy, then the Main Series, then the Ending Trilogy.
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Jul 25, 2021 17:32
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I will not stand for this second half of The Great Hunt/Dragon Reborn erasure!
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Jul 25, 2021 17:35
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Trailer leaked. https://imgur.com/gallery/HaPthxo
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Junkenstein posted:Trailer leaked. please add to OP Data Graham posted:My glib boil-down of the whole thing is usually like “oh so you say LotR has no women in it? Well have a story with ALL THE WOMEN IN THE WORRRLLLD hahaha” If you want a Smarty Pants hot take on the whole series, a good one is "In the same way that the Lord of the Rings was an English soldier's response to the experience of World War 1, the Wheel of Time is an American soldier's response to Vietnam." It's an overblown comparison but there's enough merit to it to start people arguing. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jul 25, 2021 |
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Jul 25, 2021 20:07
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:please add to OP I actually did think about it initially but didn't because I thought it might be a little spoilery for anyone new to the series, but if you all think it should be there I will add it
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Jul 25, 2021 20:54
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a basic detail about wheel of time overall is that it features more women in general as important characters than you might have expected from fantasy at the time, and while robert jordan was the one who wrote it his wife was his editor and iirc jordan based a lot of the individual traits various notable women have as defining characteristics on things that he saw in his wife there's a myriad of minor gripes here and there that readers of the series have thrown around over the years when it comes to various aspects of the series as a whole, but in general it was at least a definite effort to try and balance things out more in terms of character spread and i figure it gets a few bonus points for that at the least. depending on how the show handles things it might become a favorite among certain demographics for that reason alone. who knows! in any case don't exactly expect game of thrones when it comes to the handling of women.
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Vavrek posted:Mostly, what worries me there is just budget. It's not that I don't think you can do anime-style action/magic scenes, but that it costs more. (But I don't actually know how much more, and most of the early content of the series shouldn't require a huge CGI budget ...) As I understand it, Wheel of Time's budget is somewhere in the vicinity of $10m per episode, so $80m for the first season. Which sounds like a lot until we remember that apparently the Lord of the Rings TV show costs $465m for eight episodes, though that's a total cost, including buying the rights from the Tolkien estate, set construction and so on. I don't know if the WoT $80m includes the up front costs like the LottR number does, so the two shows may be closer in total budget that it initially appears. Nevertheless, LotR is the most expensive TV show ever, and WoT definitely isn't, but how that'll show up on screen? No way to know yet. 
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Natural 20 posted:I am absolutely convinced that this series should be an anime and that there's no way to do the magic justice in a medium outside of animation. This is my opinion as well. Even the highest budget live action + cgi adaptation will never be as good as even a mediocre animated series could be. Fantasy and sci-fi in general really need to start going this way, animated adaptations are a much better way to translate scale and style. Take Into The Spider-Verse versus all those other MCU films, it ain't even close which one looks better and is a better use of the medium.
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jng2058 posted:LotR is the most expensive TV show ever, and WoT definitely isn't, but how that'll show up on screen? No way to know yet. I don't think there's much of an indication what the plot of the Lord of the Rings show will be yet, so there's really no telling what kind of budget it would need to dedicate for CGI, large action set pieces etc. If the Wheel of Time show is just doing the first book or two on that kind of budget then I don't think there's nearly as heavy a budgetary requirement for fanciful settings, large scale battles, big CGI set pieces as there would be in something like Lord of the Rings. At least based on what the films did, and I doubt the show will be shy about those areas either, even if they're telling a different story in a different time period (which is about all the details they've released so far as I know). A lot of the first book is fairly small scale action against one or two fantasy creatures, small spells etc. from what I remember. The locations are mostly pastoral vistas, and fairly low level fantasy cityscapes or castles too, if I recall.
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I'm psyched but also feeling its going to be a poo poo series?
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it's hard to stress that i don't think anyone has an even remotely clear picture as to what to expect from the show at this point, given the bizarre circumstances last year and amazon probably waiting to blast all their advertising out a few weeks before the premiere i don't even mean this in a way where i'm trying to be optimistic or pessimistic, i just have no clue in the slightest until they actually start showing things off
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Yeah, I can't find any real info outside of 6 episode titles for season 1, with two unnamed. And based on cast lists they're combining stuff from books 1 and 2 but also leaving out some characters. So I guess we'll have to wafo (watch and find out)
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:Yeah, I can't find any real info outside of 6 episode titles for season 1, with two unnamed. And based on cast lists they're combining stuff from books 1 and 2 but also leaving out some characters. So I guess we'll have to wafo (watch and find out) Yeah, the current guess seems to be that season one is mostly Eye with probably the Fal Dara parts of The Great Hunt mixed in.
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Jul 26, 2021 03:06
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Vavrek posted:Yeah, when explaining the structure of the series to people, I say: There's an Opening Trilogy, then the Main Series, then the Ending Trilogy. Books 4-5-6 feel different and are just about different stuff than books 1-2-3. But if you're bored, stop. Go do something that doesn't bore you. Yea the series will probably be a good way to enjoy the story. It's a bit like Foundation, though I read until the one with the Mule, which honestly was the only really interesting part. And I read ALL the Dune Books; God Emperor, Heretics and Chapterhouse, so i can read long winded philosophical works.
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jng2058 posted:As I understand it, Wheel of Time's budget is somewhere in the vicinity of $10m per episode, so $80m for the first season. Which sounds like a lot until we remember that apparently the Lord of the Rings TV show costs $465m for eight episodes, though that's a total cost, including buying the rights from the Tolkien estate, set construction and so on. I don't know if the WoT $80m includes the up front costs like the LottR number does, so the two shows may be closer in total budget that it initially appears. They spent $91 million dollars just in the Czech Republic. "The above figures do not include spending in Croatia, Tenerife, Slovenia and Spain. Additional spending on post production, visual effects and other foreign cast and crew is also likely not represented in the above figures." That's already 11.375 million per episode without including any other costs. Which is a higher budget than GoT until the final season or 2. At the time of it's release it's entirely possible WoT season 1will be the most expensive season of television ever aired, at worst it will be 2nd place to GoT season 8 ( until LOTR debuts).
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It seems like there's a bunch of attempts to pick up the big budget fantasy market that Game of Thrones developed and then orphaned, two of them simultaneously coming from Amazon.
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Yeah Bezos apparently has a personal interest in capturing the "next game of thrones" and these are his plays towards that end.
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wheel of time is absolutely their attempt to get in on that pie, with the difference here being that the series was actually finished even if the original author died
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Jul 26, 2021 16:55
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Johnny Joestar posted:wheel of time is absolutely their attempt to get in on that pie, with the difference here being that the series was actually finished even if the original author died It was even finished after the author's death. Robert Jordan wrote more books after his death than GRRM did in the same time period.
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Mage_Boy posted:It was even finished after the author's death. Robert Jordan wrote more books after his death than GRRM did in the same time period. The benefits of having an outline and a publishing company with the guts to say "We know you're sick, finish it however you want, pick whoever you want to replace you if the worst happens, but if you don't we're demanding the advances back."
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Jordan had apparently written more background material than pages in the main storyline (that's why it all took so long). There were something like ten thousand pages of notes. He apparently wrote out a little biography / character sheet type thing for each individual Aes Sedai in the Tower.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Jordan had apparently written more background material than pages in the main storyline (that's why it all took so long). There were something like ten thousand pages of notes. He apparently wrote out a little biography / character sheet type thing for each individual Aes Sedai in the Tower. Publish that poo poo Silmarillion style and I'll buy it, come on Tor/Jordan's wife.
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IRQ posted:Publish that poo poo Silmarillion style and I'll buy it, come on Tor/Jordan's wife. They did an encyclopedia like that, I don't think it's complete, but it's less interesting than you or I both hoped.
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for anyone who hasn't read the series, the sanderson-written books at the end are generally regarded as one of the best outcomes we could have gotten considering jordan's death. there's a little bit of a style difference you can feel and you can tell that in some scenarios there might not have been as many notes left behind on them as others did, but overall it's a plenty serviceable end to the series and definitely much better than leaving it hanging otherwise. there was a lot of work done to cobble together what was outlined into something usable.
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Mage_Boy posted:It was even finished after the author's death. Robert Jordan wrote more books after his death than GRRM did in the same time period. How do I forward this to Patrick Rothfuss?
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Jul 26, 2021 21:06
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah Bezos apparently has a personal interest in capturing the "next game of thrones" and these are his plays towards that end. Imagine being the richest person on the planet and having a TV show made to cash in on a gap in the market - instead of getting the best people in the business to make the exact show you want to see, even if no one else even likes it. Billionaires are fundamentally broken. What's the point of having more money than you can possibly spend if you're not even human enough to enjoy it.
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Why make the exact show you want to see when you can make the show you believe other people want and pull in more money to fuel passion projects like personal jaunts to space? It's the new hotness for billionaires. It's not even like Amazon Prime is Bezos' big money spinner anyway. He makes far more money off web servers and online retail. Prime is just one more revenue stream for him, and not even close to the biggest. Amazon are getting into games now too, so if that takes off and starts pulling in top dollar for the games market then it'll probably surpass Prime revenue too, because the video games market has been worth more than the TV and movie market for awhile now. He could make a TV show or movie for him and him alone and it wouldn't even cost him that much (comparatively), but I doubt he cares about making one in comparison to having a trip into space.
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tsob posted:Why make the exact show you want to see when you can make the show you believe other people want and pull in more money to fuel passion projects like personal jaunts to space?
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Hoarding vast wealth is a mental illness and is inherently irrational hth
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Tiggum posted:'Cause he can already afford that. He can already afford anything. Rockets are an expensive business. You're taking it for granted that he has a story he wants to see, when the reality seems to be that he could not give a single gently caress about TV beyond the monetary opportunities and he is spending money on the things he cares about.
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tsob posted:Rockets are an expensive business. You're taking it for granted that he has a story he wants to see, when the reality seems to be that he could not give a single gently caress about TV beyond the monetary opportunities and he is spending money on the things he cares about. Didn't he personally save The Expanse because he wanted to see more?
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The story of Bez who rode a flaming metal dick to the stars
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tsob posted:Amazon are getting into games now too, so if that takes off and starts pulling in top dollar for the games market then it'll probably surpass Prime revenue too, because the video games market has been worth more than the TV and movie market for awhile now. Yes, it's a whole New World of revenue, with graphics so close to WoW in 2006 that it's melting GPUs, and the reviews are on fire too!
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Junkenstein posted:Didn't he personally save The Expanse because he wanted to see more? In retrospect, I wonder to what degree that narrative was just cynical PR to align himself and Amazon in the public's eye with space exploration using an ill-fated critical darling that would generate buzz that could help him get more highly-lucrative Blue Origin contracts. Could be correlation rather than causation, but I wouldn't put it past him.
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Junkenstein posted:Didn't he personally save The Expanse because he wanted to see more? Did he? If he did, then he is spending money on shows for himself, just not on many and presumably more because there aren't many he cares about rather than because of stinginess. IRQ posted:Yes, it's a whole New World of revenue, with graphics so close to WoW in 2006 that it's melting GPUs, and the reviews are on fire too! I assume this is in reference to some controversy with the game(s), but if it is, then it's going right over my head, because beyond knowing that Amazon is making an MMORPG I couldn't tell you a single thing about the game(s), their graphics, performance or reviews. None of that poo poo is enough to make or break a game anyway, and if Bezos keeps driving Amazon towards the games market then he could probably make more there than off Prime, regardless of the quality of his game(s).
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:The story of Bez who rode a flaming metal dick to the stars 
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