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I definitely am cherry picking lol, I mean those are what stand out to me as scummy. I guess I'm missing a crucial element in case building for every case I've ever made. I get why finding SK is vital town. I just think you're going about it with insincere reasoning. Town is already pretty much screwed. 2 scum and 1 SK. We nail a scum today. 2 non town remain, 2 people die at night, maybe the sk dies at night, maybe a scum dies at night, but large chance town is end gamed if 2 town die. We nail SK today. Town has best chance of survival for another game day, chance to catch scum. Scum only kills one at night, diminished pool "ideally" makes things more obvious. We miss lunch today, also likely to happen lol, and it's G.G. Whose kill would trigger first in SK v Scum if they targeted one another?
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Idle Amalgam posted:I definitely am cherry picking lol, I mean those are what stand out to me as scummy. If we kill an sk today, presuming 2 scum, it's 4 alive and 2 scum lol. That's GG and a scum win. Grandi already did all this work. If we kill mafia BUT identify the SK beyond a reasonable doubt, the remaining mafia targets the SK and eliminates them. That's 3 alive with 1 mafia and we can win. OR both killing roles target each other and we win. We can still do this. As a mod kills go through simultaneously imo, both would die.
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Somberbrero posted:If we kill an sk today, presuming 2 scum, it's 4 alive and 2 scum lol. That's GG and a scum win. Grandi already did all this work. So yeah, town is boned is the conclusion, scum are going to do everything in their power to pivot that vote onto town while simultaneously working with everyone to try and identify the SK. So town has probably already lost this game lol. So we have to nail scum today, hope SK and scum kill each other in a blaze of glory at night. the "That's 3 alive with 1 mafia and we can win." scenario seems most unlikely. How do we positively ID SK, and collectively nail scum lol. It's not going to happen.
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What's your argument? That we should give up? No. This game is going to be like when you see someone get into an insane accident and then walk away with just a cut on their arm. We can absolutely pull this off if we just don't suck one single day. If there's 2 scum that's a one-in-three shot even if we just randomly picked a name. Plus it'll be really really funny if we win after all this.
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Idle Amalgam posted:So yeah, town is boned is the conclusion, scum are going to do everything in their power to pivot that vote onto town while simultaneously working with everyone to try and identify the SK. Correction: I guess they'd do everything in their power just to get the SK voted out, so they could win lol - but these optimal play hypotheticals for scum or town don't do anything to solve the age old mystery of who is scum? I guess I'll wait for the Grandi dossiers
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Somberbrero posted:What's your argument? That we should give up? No. This game is going to be like when you see someone get into an insane accident and then walk away with just a cut on their arm. We can absolutely pull this off if we just don't suck one single day. If there's 2 scum that's a one-in-three shot even if we just randomly picked a name. Plus it'll be really really funny if we win after all this. Then answer this then... am I scum? am I sk?
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Killing scum today and then sk and scum hitting each other tonight for a town victory would be pretty phenomenal
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Idle Amalgam posted:Then answer this then... am I scum? am I sk? I dunno! My theory is that someone who was voting Hal d2 is the same person that killed him thinking he was Mafia. You and RF both rode out your hal votes so my suspicion is the SK is one of you. Thinking about mafia I'm really focused on trying to identify the team as a whole bc that seems like the best piece of information we have. If there is a Mafia it's likely two people. Thinking about pairs of people you and Tomm make sense in my head so I'm trying to work through it. Like I would think RF but I don't know who his scum bud would be. Grandi or Sand? I don't think either of those two is scum, so I'm less hot on RF.
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Somberbrero posted:I dunno! My theory is that someone who was voting Hal d2 is the same person that killed him thinking he was Mafia. You and RF both rode out your hal votes so my suspicion is the SK is one of you. Tomm is probably scum or SK, their relative absence and one vote look funky to me, but mostly he and RF are difficult to read, imo. RF could be scum, imo. ##unvote I'm willing to bet one of Tommu and RF are scum, you or Grandi are the sk
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I lied, I said no one looks harder for the SK than scum, but against the wire, maybe SK plays up their own hunt... 
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IA’s push on Somber felt like scum trying to force a push, he even admits to cherry picking Somber’s content. I’m a little losing steam here. I’ll probably vote IA tonight.
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I’ll be here until then though. I’d also vote Tommu. Grandi has been a little more absent than I would expect after his early day play.
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Sandwolf posted:IA’s push on Somber felt like scum trying to force a push, he even admits to cherry picking Somber’s content. Doesn't everyone cherry pick content when building a case? I mean I get the words have a negative connotation, but yeah the content was scummy, so I quoted it. That's how this game I'd played. You're either throwing in the towel as town, or doing good as scum.
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Idle Amalgam posted:Doesn't everyone cherry pick content when building a case? I mean I get the words have a negative connotation, but yeah the content was scummy, so I quoted it. Haven’t you ever gone to reread someone and been like “huh, I guess they’re not as scummy as I thought”? Cherry picking content is how scum build cases against town.
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Idle Amalgam posted:Doesn't everyone cherry pick content when building a case? I mean I get the words have a negative connotation, but yeah the content was scummy, so I quoted it. Right, but normally when considering alignment you take a holistic approach, you try to judge alignment by the whole of someone's posting. When you cherry pick it doesn't look like you're actually curious or searching for the truth, it seems like you just want to make a point to serve yourself. Your posting is largely reactionary, you only seem interested in attacking anyone who is suspicious of you. Do you disagree with that characterization?
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Aug 9, 2021 23:02
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Sandwolf posted:I’ll be here until then though. I’d also vote Tommu. Grandi has been a little more absent than I would expect after his early day play. I started my thing on IA at work this morning, then was pulled into 7 hours of meetings. I am going to take a couple of hours to decompress and pick it back up. Quick hits on what I got through on IA, I really liked is minimal d1 content. It felt fluid and natural. That can be faked as scum, but isn't likely in my opinion. I didn't jump on IA until the confirmed masonry stuff d2, and I only just started rereading that bit when the meetings started, but early indications for IA are positive.
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Aug 9, 2021 23:08
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Give us the dossiers, Grandi!
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Someone post charlie_pepe_sylvia.jpg but he’s pointing at the word dossiers
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Ok, starting with IA. I still think that the confirmed mason story is unlikely, but in LYLO/MYLO that isn't enough to push for an execution, I feel like it is a supporting point, but I spent enough time belaboring it so I'll let it lie. IA's d1 play is fairly reasonable light interactions with the turbo(s) Idle Amalgam posted:What? Turbos? Idle Amalgam posted:Or... if we're feeling a bit cheeky... we can turbo, the turboer! Idle Amalgam posted:Oh, okay then. No hard feelings, ol' chap. a dmc delorean posted:Wait, I'll clarify! Which brings it back to light and fun. I think IA's d1 was good. His interaction with the turbo felt natural, switching off of it to me was after DMC said it was ruining their fun, which is reasonable, swinging it to me, a person who always enjoys a good turbo, even if I am the target, is a reasonable call. But when DMC amended their fun ruining comment, they jumped back on. Let's move on to D2 which is where I started picking up on IA. He opens the day with Idle Amalgam posted:ohhhh poo poo. Idle Amalgam posted:I was in a confirmed masonry with toalpaz and amnistar, did not expect both of them to straight up get murdered like this last night. I'm all alone now. I have spoken at length why I think this is unlikely, but the oh poo poo makes sense if both of his mason buddies died. Even if he was responsible for one of those deaths, having both pop on the same night is surprising. That his defense was on him being a mason, not being a confirmed town mason, makes sense for a Scum/SK too. He keys in on the true part, that very few were actually contesting, instead of the part that matters, the confirmed bit. He also hops on the Hal train for a hot minute Idle Amalgam posted:I was in a confirmed masonry with toalpaz and amnistar, did not expect both of them to straight up get murdered like this last night. I'm all alone now. Before very quickly abandoning it and prodding at the soft claim. Idle Amalgam posted:##unvote These two posts are 10-ish minutes apart and have no posts from other people between them. Did he see an easy execution, and then think better of it? The turbo leading us astray line in addition to his second apology to dmc here: Idle Amalgam posted:Sorry dmc Back to the masonry stuff, he does drop this post too: Idle Amalgam posted:What's worse is hum didn't even make me SCUM or SK, so now I just look like a big dumb idiot in a ghost filled masonry. And his if I were scum post has real OJ vibes Idle Amalgam posted:Ah, dang, best to have stayed quiet huh? Idle Amalgam posted:I don't think you're wrong, and grandi coming in and shading it looks bad. He also jumps on the "scum-slip" I made, but he was already voting me at that time, so that part is a null. His response to this interaction also feels scum minded too. Somberbrero posted:If I could flip Hal for free today I would. I thought binus was hinting at a result. Grandicap posted:This is where I would love to pop out a vig. It would be so narratively satisfying. Grandicap posted:Hum, please give me a vig, TIA. Idle Amalgam posted:
Idle Amalgam posted:##unvote Onto d3. I don't like his interactions with somber and sandwolf today either. It has been mentioned before but he is coming at it with a conclusion in mind. His dossier was hilarious though. A lot of his stuff today has also been woe is me town stuff. Town is boned, town has already lost etc. I can see some town doing this in this situation, but it does feel faked in this instance, a little too over the top. I said scum brain or scum-minded a lot up there, but a good chunk of those statements could be replaced with SK-brained or SK-minded. I considered going back and updating it to non-town-thoughts but it flows way less so gently caress that. I think IA is anti town, his day 1 play was good, but everything after has been poo poo. Would vote there today.
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On to Opop. Oh good, this one is easier, less content. D1 is joining in on turbos. Null read lean town on Opop. He jumped on the Sandwolf initial turbo, switched into the dmc turbo. No guilt, full steam ahead. Very carefree town feels on d1. It is Opop though, carefree in mafia is something he does well. D2 opop joins me in disbelieving IA's confirmed mason claim and votes on IA pretty early. He defends his turbo hammer of DMC to Tommu, which feels pretty natural. It was a turbo. It was a hammer. There isn't much to be said for it, he doesn't overexplain, he doesn't apologize. I like this behavior from Opop. Retro Futurist posted:That's turbo, baby Retro Futurist posted:The best outcome for scum was making myself a big dunk target and trading off one scum for one VT in a 12 player game? He socratic methods on Somber which can be a way to look like you are providing content without providing content. But he focuses it on Somber, clearly a suspicion of his. I think this questioning is good and probabitive in the right ways. The only issue I have is that he didn't really put any pressure on Somber. Was he ok with Somber's responses? That's kind of the impression I get, but it would be great if he shared with the class. He votes Hal before leaving the thread. Retro Futurist posted:Ok well I'm heading out right away and I'll be at a movie so can't check back in. ##vote hal since I don't think we're going to get a last minute switch into ia D3 Retro Futurist posted:I tried to make a lumpen list but tbh I would vote any of you. I think I still trust IA the least, followed by somber, but everyone else is tied for 3rd I do not think Opop is scum after the reread.
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And on to the easiest of the first 3 dossiers. Tommunist. D1 Tomm's d1 was worthless. No content, no participation in the turbo. All null. D2 Votes Opop out of the gate for the turbo hammer. This is a scum vote because it is an easy vote. It allows him to vote someone with very little skin in the game, hammering town, especially in a turbo is easy to call out as bad and won't get backlash. Scum vibes there. He then says he's cool with hopping over to IA too Tommunist posted:RF's hammer was terrible so I voted him. Somberbrero posted:
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Ok, of the 3, I feel like Tommu feels more scum than SK, and IA feels like more SK than scum, but I do think both are non-town. I feel good about Opop being town.
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Votecount for Day 3  Idle Amalgam (1): Retro Futurist Somberbrero (0): Idle Amalgam, Not Voting (5): Grandicap, Idle Amalgam, Sandwolf, Somberbrero, TommunistWith 6 alive, it's 4 votes to execute. The current deadline is August 10th, 2021 at 6 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 19 hours, 31 minutes.
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##vote IA
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waiting to see if anyone else has anything to say, would like to hear from tomm but not holding my breath
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I’m tempted to unvote before I go to bed but I’m not really sure what is left to say
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Sandwolf posted:##vote IA I am a confirmed town mason. That's my full claim
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Ok, I think IA is anti town, but I also think he's more likely SK than town. Killing the sk is the worst possible scenario. Scum just win if there are 2 scum. Killing town here is better than killing the sk because at least there is a chance through night action madness to have us win. But IA could still be scum. Tomm and I haven't voted yet, so if IA is scum, a Tomm scum buddy makes sense. A somber scum buddy makes some sense too, seeing the writing on the wall and cutting bait. I think opop and sandy voting a scum IA in this situation basically clears them as an IA scum buddy. But all of that presupposes IA is scum. I need to think if this is the right call before hammering.
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Well, if killing town here is better than killing the SK, then just hammer me and good luck to the SCUM or SK, because town isn't going to win lol.
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Grandicap posted:Ok, I think IA is anti town, but I also think he's more likely SK than town. Killing the sk is the worst possible scenario. Scum just win if there are 2 scum. Basically, you have no idea is how this post reads. Just like everyone else lol.
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Idle Amalgam posted:Basically, you have no idea is how this post reads. Just like everyone else lol. Welcome to LYLO, where the reads are made up and the executions don't matter. ##vote Idle Amalgam gently caress, I can't see me doing anything different here, no matter how long I weigh it. I just have to hope we're right...
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 Idle Amalgam really stepped in it this time!Votecount for Day 3 Idle Amalgam (4): Retro Futurist, Sandwolf, Somberbrero, Grandicap Somberbrero (0): Idle Amalgam, Not Voting (2): Idle Amalgam, TommunistWith 6 alive, it's 4 votes to execute. The current deadline is August 10th, 2021 at 6 p.m. CDT -- that's in about 8 hours, 16 minutes.
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Idle Amalgam, Isabella Kisiner (Town Mason), was executed Day 3!Mr. Humalong posted:
BLAM! Retro Futurist was modkilled! BLAM! Tommunist was modkilled! BLAM! Grandicap was modkilled!
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