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I really liked the first two episodes, and there's good stuff in the third, but the whole Marin Ireland subplot in the third episode was just the pits. And I have a predisposition to liking Marin Ireland.
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Judakel posted:The liberal vs. conservative characters angle is so cartoonish. Is that in the comic book? Yeah, but only for two issues.
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I'm reading the comic, and it's interesting how the version of society we see there is a bit different. There are mass vigils and self sufficient communities, though also roving gangs and fires. You get the sense that society is making an active attempt to bounce back and rebuild itself, even though a bunch of people are just saying gently caress it, or devolving into collective trauma.
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Sep 21, 2021 05:47
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Is it getting the kind of viewership it'd need to stay alive? I worry that it's going to be another of those big budget test shows that turns up for season and then gets cancelled because the viewers weren't Stranger Things level.
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Sep 21, 2021 07:45
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Bust Rodd posted:Yorick in the comics is presented as, so far, kind of a completely and totally different character than he is in the show, but the show is also taking great lengths to paint him as shallow and stupid and selfish in a way that the originals took more time to set up. One of the first plots Yorick deals with in the comics is finding a town settled by a women’s prison, and they are all gay with each other and he has a big shitfit about it, but it’s essentially the comic’s first big plot point about Yorick realizing that everything he thinks is stupid and wrong and OBVIOUSLY this would happen, it’s not like women would just give up on a love and sex in a post male world. That’s what a big growing up moment looked like for men in 2002, accepting gay people. That's not what happens in that arc. I just read it and he gets mad about the fact that this pure milkmaid scarlet o'hara romance he's having is with a girl who's not as perfect as he thought it was, and that she has an ugly past as a drug dealer and murderer. He gets over it after five minutes. She's straight. There's another girl there who's implied to be straight. There are also queer women there in a relationship but the crux of his arc is that he's an armchair liberal and feminist ally who has his opinions on the world challenged and augmented, for the better -- so, yes essentially your overall point. The Yorick of the show is serving a different thematic point, and I don't know if it's well served to make him so hapless.
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Sep 21, 2021 12:01
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The comic is a lot funnier, and leverages a lot of (not poo poo) flashbacks and (somehow also not poo poo) dream sequences for humour, on top of character based jokes. A lot of the humour comes from the central trio though, who've really only just started coming into focus, of is derived from strange little side adventures that don't feature the main cast. That said, there does seem to be a concious attempt to tone down the book's humour. The Weird Al bit from the most recent episode is based on a longer, and IMO funnier, exchange from the books that they could have used word for word if they wanted. Though that could also be a function of Yorick's changed characterisation in this; he's significantly less competent in this, less educated, which rearranges the focus of the critique a bit. But beyond all this, the comic's first arc is a) its worst, b) basically just establishes the basic stakes involved, c) is so post-9/11 it basically aches. The second arc (IMO one of the strongest) is also gonna appear this season, so it might be worth giving it a chance? That said, the second arc is fairly satirical at points, and I dunno if the show will go there. Tiggum posted:This show is about 90% dumb poo poo I don't care about. Why couldn't it just be about the politicians? Ha! That's the plot I think has been executed the worst, despite the significant contribution from some of the actors involved. I'm not sure the politics of the situation exactly makes sense, and the villains are a bit moustache-y given that we're meant to take them and their points seriously (as opposed to Missi Pyle, who we're meant to see as threatening, but not ideologically cogent). Also, calling it: that kid's got a Y chromosome.
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Chairman Capone posted:The bit about there being an actual "Republicans storm the Capitol/White House to try and overthrow the elected officials" storyline in the comic I think also reflects some of the problems I have with the politics in the TV show. There's a lot that's a bit cloying about the adaptation's politics. The way that the boo-hiss Republicans are characterised -- particularly the way they're consistently concerned with their make-up and clothing in a way the Democrats are not -- is A Choice. BIG HEADLINE posted:I think the way they're going is that the cop that blows her brains out right after The Event occurs is meant to be Missi Pyle's character. The cop not blowing her head off means we're probably never going to meet Alter and the rogue Israelis hunting Yorick aren't going to be part of the story. I really think that all book chat should be spoiler bar'd tbh. Particularly since Jennifer's aid and the Woman-Who's-Actually-Meant-To-Be-Acting-President-But-For-Some-Reason-Isn't appear to be riffs on two different comics characters; the pregnant astronaut and Alter, respectively.. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Oct 5, 2021 |
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Tiggum posted:Well, that sounds boring and pointless. It's a single issue and change.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Don't forget the fact that the two male astronauts on the Space Station immediately perish in flames upon arrival saving their kids and their fellow astronaut because we can't have two more accomplished and compelling men unseating Yorick as "the greatest man alive." I think this is a huge mischaracterisation tbh.
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There's a really dumb comic injoke in this episode that still made me laugh. "Where are you going?" "Sydney. (beat) You know her?" Guess Beth probably isn't going to Australia then.
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Oct 11, 2021 14:48
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I really don't like how incompetent 355 is being made out to be so soon in the show. I know the better part of a year's supposed to have passed since ~The Deadening~, but even then... I think it's been about a month. Three weeks between ep 1 and 2, and the rest seems to have unfolded in a relatively short period of time.
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Kimberly's descent into religious mania is such a dumb and bad plotline. You can see all the actors playing the conservatives are trying to bring as much depth and humanity to their roles as they can, but it's just, like, no. Ep 7's trying to make this whole point about gaslighting and emotional abuse, but if every conservative is already circling GOD SENT ME A MAN levels if religious ferver then the entire exercise reads as patronising and ugly.
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Oct 12, 2021 06:42
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I think that article is a little unfair to the comic and too kind to the show -- can we really argue that Sam is a central character given the screen time he's had? And they really should have stuck with Y as a title instead of changing it back to Y: The Last Man if they wanted to avoid gender essentialism. Edit: actually that article ventures into straight up bullshit at some points. "Transness is never the primary issue" in any of Sam's plots? Sure. I'm sure Roxanne hates him because of that awful beanie he wears.
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Tagichatn posted:Uh, it's because Sam is a man. Did you miss how much they don't like men? If Roxanne considered Sam to be a man, Sam would already be dead, and as such there's pressure on Sam to detransition or die. To me that reads as if the character's trans status is being used to drive the drama, in contradiction to what the article is trying to claim. My complaint isn't with the show here, it's with the article trying to claim certain achievements that the show hasn't actually achieved. If I read that article, and then watched the show, I'd be incredibly disappointed by what I saw.
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Edward Mass posted:It probably doesn't help that in the time it took for the series to be developed by FX, the network got bought by the company that owns the rival comic book company to the one the show is printed by. lmao of course it could end up being that petty
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LionArcher posted:Amazon could have them beat if Wheel of Time and Lord of The rings hit big though. (and god I'm rooting for WOT, since it's so much better than Lord of the rings and way more interesting). I keep reading this, but I don't see it. Those two shows feel like the same show to me, just in basic genre outline (and maybe tone, hard to tell tho). Feels like overspecialisation. Like, I'm not criticising either show, but it feels like Amazon's big shows are all variations on "Evil Superman" or "Epic Tolkeinism". Max and Apple are both doing variations on epic television, but they're also got a lot of other solid shows too. I do think this is a good choice for Max, and saving this show fits well with the kind of image HBO has always marketed itself as having.
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I thought that episode loving rocked, personally. Really good stuff.
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Maybe this is my ignorance showing, but did those accusations of mansplaining at the start of the most recent episode (episode nine) strictly make sense? Also I was amused that the political storyline ended like it began. With nonsensical infighting. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Oct 28, 2021 |
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I feel like there are seventy other threads that are a better place to talk about Wheel Of Time tbh.
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I laughed really loving hard at Sam somehow finding his way to hang out with the other spare parts from the Pentagon plot. God, what atrocious storytelling. The actual stuff with the farm and the Amazons was mostly pretty good I thought. I feel like I called Nora's arc ages ago, but it was still satisfying to see go down. Roxanne's public meltdown was loving hilarious, in a good way. The action was nicely shot, for the most part, though I'm not the only one who noticed some shonky, seemingly last minute edits on a few of the talky scenes, right? And it was just nice to see expansive outdoor shooting in a year where that really hasn't been a thing at all. DrBouvenstein posted:Enjoyed the latest episode a lot more than the one before, but one question: IIRC Kimber stabbed one of the other Republican wives, the one she bartered materials off of before and tried to get on side when she was first agitating for a coup. I suspect it's meant to indicate that she's all in on the baby train. I reckon that the climactic shooting sequences, from episode nine, were purposefully confusing -- in that it's not clear if the friendly fire was deliberate or something more calculated. That entire plotline was pretty bad though, and I'm glad that it's basically done. The way the politicians were reacting to The Big Reveal was hilariously petty and fickle, particularly the general. And I feel like Beth suddenly developed an entire personality offscreen. The finale's attempts to backfill some sort of political consciousness into the character was basically laughable. It was a complication that the show just didn't need.
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