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Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

Regarde Aduck posted:

Ah the expert is here

Ah the person who never adds anything to the conversation except to make what they feel are one line witty comments that mean nothing is back. So wonderful for you to blow through again you worthless pos.

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ChunTheUnavoidable
Sep 27, 2021

Sad to see such fighting here in the ukraine thread. Perhaps this is the work of the Russian trolls

Cugel the Clever
Apr 5, 2009
I LOVE AMERICA AND CAPITALISM DESPITE BEING POOR AS FUCK. I WILL NEVER RETIRE BUT HERE'S ANOTHER 200$ FOR UKRAINE, SLAVA

eSports Chaebol posted:

okay but how about a battle between the Kuznetsov and Zumwalt. see which ship can . . . Put off sinking itself first
Aren't the Zumwalt's only major flaws that it's ludicrously expensive and had to be refitted after its intended main guns were cancelled, leaving it without a real purpose? It's not like the LCS where there were (now mitigated) corrosion issues.

The Kuznetsov, on the other hand... well, sinking is less a problem than needing tug boats to follow it around, belching plumes of smoke, and regularly catching on fire.
https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/status/797540780810399744?t=r7yj6ETWgRIdxlMeGR6MmQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/jfslowik/status/1486434856116842496?t=fJlDJXlcL9PanSCCJ-GC-Q&s=19

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

Cugel the Clever posted:

Aren't the Zumwalt's only major flaws that it's ludicrously expensive and had to be refitted after its intended main guns were cancelled, leaving it without a real purpose? It's not like the LCS where there were (now mitigated) corrosion issues.

The Kuznetsov, on the other hand... well, sinking is less a problem than needing tug boats to follow it around, belching plumes of smoke, and regularly catching on fire.
https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/status/797540780810399744?t=r7yj6ETWgRIdxlMeGR6MmQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/jfslowik/status/1486434856116842496?t=fJlDJXlcL9PanSCCJ-GC-Q&s=19

You’re right I mixed up the rusty ship with the one that melts in water

Both still probably better than the Russian design of always being on fire though

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

Uncle Enzo posted:

Sorry this is where we have to part ways, I know this is tough for Americans to admit. We hate our military industrial complex, we have bloated overpriced vaporware... but the Abrams is actually a really loving good tank. It's already been up against some pretty decent Russian stuff and it ate them alive.

They're probably referring to our love of expensive dumb poo poo like the F-35 program.

Zippy the Bummer
Dec 14, 2008

Silent Majority
The Don
LORD COMMANDER OF THE UKRAINIAN ARMED FORCES
oh God is anything going to happen or can i go home. this is the wrong thread but i dont care. my feet are freezing and ive had Korov drive the bmp up and down the banks to keep we warm with the engine but trying to sleep on this thing is a bitch, i feel like by skull is about to bounce off, im almost out of natty lite and wont drink the vodka my troops offer me because i swore off hard liquor. the hydrocephalic has gone away and i have no more weed. If Putin doesnt attack soon i will launch a pre-emptive strike just to make things interesting and maybe kill some folks



Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
so long and tanks for all the caviar

Vakal
May 11, 2008
I have a sinking feeling I know exactly what Putin's up to.

Budzilla
Oct 14, 2007

We can all learn from our past mistakes.

eSports Chaebol posted:

You’re right I mixed up the rusty ship with the one that melts in water

Both still probably better than the Russian design of always being on fire though
The Kuznetsov carrier's Wikipedia is quite funny in how much of a drain of a liability it is.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Cugel the Clever posted:

Aren't the Zumwalt's only major flaws that it's ludicrously expensive and had to be refitted after its intended main guns were cancelled, leaving it without a real purpose? It's not like the LCS where there were (now mitigated) corrosion issues.

The Kuznetsov, on the other hand... well, sinking is less a problem than needing tug boats to follow it around, belching plumes of smoke, and regularly catching on fire.
https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/status/797540780810399744?t=r7yj6ETWgRIdxlMeGR6MmQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/jfslowik/status/1486434856116842496?t=fJlDJXlcL9PanSCCJ-GC-Q&s=19

Well being a ship without armament around which it was designed is kinda a big deal... Then there are the new carriers that launch planes with the power of ELECTRICITY AND COMPUTERS, unless they can't, or destroy themselves in the process, and of course the super expensive marine amphibious attack ships that can't launch amphibious operations (but those are at least excellent at killing all the marines early on in case of war, which is probably good)... But at least the US still has its good cold war ships.

steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Feb 2, 2022

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Cugel the Clever posted:

Aren't the Zumwalt's only major flaws that it's ludicrously expensive and had to be refitted after its intended main guns were cancelled, leaving it without a real purpose? It's not like the LCS where there were (now mitigated) corrosion issues.

The Kuznetsov, on the other hand... well, sinking is less a problem than needing tug boats to follow it around, belching plumes of smoke, and regularly catching on fire.
https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/status/797540780810399744?t=r7yj6ETWgRIdxlMeGR6MmQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/jfslowik/status/1486434856116842496?t=fJlDJXlcL9PanSCCJ-GC-Q&s=19

I miss smoking so much sometimes :(

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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
The interior pics of the Kuznetsov are even better, imo. There was more, but this is the only one I can find now, compared to the boiler rooms of its sister shots sold to foreign navies

https://mobile.twitter.com/CavasShips/status/799097926026924032

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