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This thread is for discussing the investigations into Hockey Canada for their role in facilitating a culture of sexual abuse (so far with the junior hockey program) and their coverup of, so far, cases involving the 2018 and 2003 World Junior teams. As with the Black Hawks thread, this looks to be a slow-moving and long term issue so it gets its own thread. This has become a major political issue, with the Prime Minister calling for a "real reckoning" for Hockey Canada. It's unclear exactly what will happen. On one level, there will likely be some turnover in Hockey Canada's leadership but whether that is a substantial punishment or a few sacrifices remains to be seen. On another level, this has the potential to be a watershed moment in Canadian culture, and will likely attract some very ugly culture war politics. So far: (1) Hockey Canada publicly settles a lawsuit alleging with a woman who alleged that she was sexually assaulted by eight CHL players, including members of the World Junior team (2) Sponsors begin withdrawing support for Hockey Canada (3) The Canadian federal government freezes funding for Hockey Canada (4) Hockey Canada officially reopens its investigation into the 2018 incident. (5) It is revealed that Hockey Canada had an additional fund for settling sexual assault allegations, which would've prevented outside paper trails. (6) Hockey Canada announces another alleged sexual assault, this time involving players from the 2003 team.
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The police have also re-opened their investigation into the assault: https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1550549653866807303
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Jul 22, 2022 20:07
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Have people started trotting out the "Why punish kids now for what happened in the past?" argument yet?
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Jul 22, 2022 20:16
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soggybagel posted:Have people started trotting out the "Why punish kids now for what happened in the past?" argument yet? I haven't seen that yet, probably because so far the emphasis has been on Hockey Canada while none of the players have been named. If something like the renewed criminal investigation brings names out, we'll probably start to see that.
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Jul 22, 2022 20:20
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In regards to the 2003 Halifax investigation: https://twitter.com/aschwan41/status/1550547389907451904
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Jul 22, 2022 20:23
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soggybagel posted:Have people started trotting out the "Why punish kids now for what happened in the past?" argument yet? We won’t see it until the IIHF or the government sanction Hockey Canada. If Canada withdraws its team from a world event the takes will start to fly fast and furious.
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Jul 22, 2022 20:26
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soggybagel posted:Have people started trotting out the "Why punish kids now for what happened in the past?" argument yet? I'm still trying to wrap my head around the reasons why random people on the internet that probably have no direct relation to any of the people or institutions involved in this scandal feel the need to jump to their defense. Like with the Katz thing you have a dozen people screaming "There's nothing wrong with a 55 year old man sending a 17 year old girl flirty text messages and a transfer of $75,000 USD, you're wrong for accusing him of being a creep! INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!!" What do they get out of it? are they hoping that they'll be re-incarnated as a hockey person in their next life and they'll be in the position to take advantage of an underage girl? Like it should not be this controversial in a society to hold these dumbass hockey men to account and build a better institution than this.
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Jul 22, 2022 20:56
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I mean, the first reply I saw under that tweet with Tootoo confessing in biography form was "Is there no responsibility on the girls?" and then called them vapid, so clearly there's just a subset of the population that dearly needs to be banished to the shadow realm.
Koopa Kid fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Jul 23, 2022 |
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Jul 22, 2022 21:03
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Good call on the splitting into new thread. I'm going to read it but it's good to know what it'll be about coming in.
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Jul 22, 2022 21:16
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:In regards to the 2003 Halifax investigation:  Mr. Tootoo! Someone finally bought a copy of your book, sir!
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Jul 22, 2022 21:25
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(1) Hockey Canada publicly settles a lawsuit alleging with a woman who alleged that she was sexually assaulted by eight CHL players, including members of the World Junior team This was by far the most detail about the timeline of events I’ve read. Thanks. I’ve said on the forms before, but all this Canadian hockey sexual assault stuff is really hard for me to read. I had a pervy babysitter as a kid, luckily I told my parents and it stopped, but for that reason I had to quit competitive hockey as I got older. I was scared the sexual hazing would make me retaliate in a way that would put me in jail. I hope this victim is able to stay anonymous, but more info about this secret sexual assault slush fund needs to come out. I’m furious that the money I’m paying for my kids to play hockey is going towards this.
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Jul 22, 2022 21:40
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Starsfan posted:I'm still trying to wrap my head around the reasons why random people on the internet that probably have no direct relation to any of the people or institutions involved in this scandal feel the need to jump to their defense. Like with the Katz thing you have a dozen people screaming "There's nothing wrong with a 55 year old man sending a 17 year old girl flirty text messages and a transfer of $75,000 USD, you're wrong for accusing him of being a creep! INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!!" What do they get out of it? are they hoping that they'll be re-incarnated as a hockey person in their next life and they'll be in the position to take advantage of an underage girl? I mean it wasn't quite this bad but even the N/V thread had a couple examples of people going "well we don't KNOW this isn't a hack job on Katz". And I'd like to think that SAS is better than society as a whole, so when we're seeing just that from these very forums, is it really a surprise that random people on the internet desperate want what Katz did to be okay?
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Jul 22, 2022 21:59
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https://www.tsn.ca/sexual-assault-allegations-2003-world-juniors-team-1.1828253quote:The sources have requested anonymity because they said they fear recriminations. Each of the three sources told TSN they are willing to testify about the purported video in private before the committee. The three sources independently described the six- or seven-minute video.
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Jul 22, 2022 23:12
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yeah you know that copy of the tape is in a vault in one of these people's cabins somewhere in lake country in BC, True Detective style. ban Hockey Canada affiliated teams from competing internationally for a period of time, vacate all titles going back to atleast 2003, that's the only thing these assholes care about. Even if the names ever do come out they will face no consequences because that behavior is tolerated or endorsed by literally all of their peers.
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Jul 22, 2022 23:32
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Starsfan posted:yeah you know that copy of the tape is in a vault in one of these people's cabins somewhere in lake country in BC, True Detective style. probably not anymore! that sumbitch got disappeared in the past 3-5 days
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Jul 22, 2022 23:42
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Hockey Canada needs to hire people to babysit these players at all times during these wjc events, giving constant reminders that rape is wrong, jesus chris Owns that Westhead works for TSN they must loving hate him, wjcs are like their only moneymaker besides the cfl
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Jul 23, 2022 00:34
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlF_1GnQjus This is painful to listen to, but it perfectly captures small town Canada in the year 2000. It should be the new song for world juniors.
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Jul 23, 2022 00:54
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soggybagel posted:Have people started trotting out the "Why punish kids now for what happened in the past?" argument yet? It was 2018, ancient history really
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Jul 23, 2022 03:26
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Does Canada have a different definition of rape? Cuz that sure sounds like rape and not just sexual assault. Edit: This is me being pissy about TSN not calling a spade a spade, in case that wasn't clear. deoju fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Jul 23, 2022 |
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Jul 23, 2022 03:40
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deoju posted:Does Canada have a different definition of rape? Cuz that sure sounds like rape and not just sexual assault. Yes, in Canada rape is by definition sexual assault.
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Jul 23, 2022 03:46
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Really hosed up thread with examples of this kind of poo poo happening in junior hockey in the last 30 years and how nonexistent repercussions are. https://twitter.com/IanKennedyCK/status/1550529788254687233?s=20&t=wxUzom3V6kOCNKTj6jLopQ And honestly anyone who’s been around hockey (or other team sports I guess, I can only speak to hockey) isn’t going to be shocked by any of this. Absolutely hosed up culture, indoctrinating young men into believing this is acceptable or normal behaviour, enabled by the worst kind of scum at the coach, mentor, and league level.
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Jul 23, 2022 13:54
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no surprise here i guess https://twitter.com/Jtootoo22/status/1550871092130041857
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Jul 23, 2022 17:27
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Jordan7hm posted:Really hosed up thread with examples of this kind of poo poo happening in junior hockey in the last 30 years and how nonexistent repercussions are. Remember when Scott stevens and other members of the capitals raped a woman and everyone kinda shrugged about it
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Jul 23, 2022 17:41
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HookShot posted:I mean it wasn't quite this bad but even the N/V thread had a couple examples of people going "well we don't KNOW this isn't a hack job on Katz". And I'd like to think that SAS is better than society as a whole, so when we're seeing just that from these very forums, is it really a surprise that random people on the internet desperate want what Katz did to be okay? My point was that the legal filing in question was only tangentially related to Katz, so it's unlikely he'll face any consequences for this. I don't know what the underage dancer in question has said about this, but I'd believe her statements over anything from Katz or from the sexually-abusing-dance-couple she sued in the first place. I can also imagine there's very good reasons why someone doesn't come forward with allegations of sexual abuse against said billionaire.
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Jul 24, 2022 02:29
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Is the Carcillo class action lawsuit against the CHL still in play? I think it's worth bringing up since it's a pretty big indictment of the hosed up attitudes that allow poo poo like this to happen under the auspices of "Boys will be boys"?
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Jul 24, 2022 05:17
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Albino Squirrel posted:That was me, and I regret implying inadvertently that Katz isn't a creepy sex pest. Any rational assessment of his character, based on past allegations, is that he's a horrible cocaine goblin. The last thing I want is to carry water for a billionaire. Cool, thanks for the clarification on what you meant. I also agree that Katz is unlikely to actually face any real consequences, since yeah, it doesn't seem to directly involve him.
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Jul 24, 2022 05:22
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(1) Hockey Canada releases an action plan for combating toxic culture. https://twitter.com/HockeyCanada/status/1551598903623094281 It's about what one would expect: better tracking and better training. I suppose these would address the cases in question by getting rid of the off-the-books payments system which has been hiding cases from outside scrutiny, but these rules only have effect if the people in power feel like following them and that seems to be the bigger problem. (2) Marie-Philip Poulin published a statement on behalf of the women's national team https://twitter.com/pou29/status/1551646882014822403
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Jul 26, 2022 07:40
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They have to do better. They Will do better.
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Jul 27, 2022 03:29
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https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1552337014141452294?t=IKpNwRlA6wrzYN3QdA-cXQ&s=19 There is no redemption for them.
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Jul 27, 2022 18:03
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https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1552318784123420673Rick Westhead posted:One perpetrator was connected to four of those claims and accounts for $1M in settlements, HC said. Hey, so, uh, who's the serial rapist?
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Jul 28, 2022 05:38
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jesus christ
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Jul 28, 2022 10:39
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These people really need to be named and shamed. No one is going to trust HC as long as they keep protecting rapists.
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Jul 30, 2022 16:18
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As is expected, more people are coming forward, and we will likely learn of many cases beyond even those covered by Hockey Canada's off-the-books fund. https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1553394253098897408?s=20&t=aFQVQpncQuMzHjO6Ya9cWw
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Jul 31, 2022 12:00
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Albino Squirrel posted:https://twitter.com/rwesthead/status/1552318784123420673 Apparently it was this guy: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/hockey-coach-kelly-jones-sentenced-to-8-years-for-sexual-assaults-1.2739066
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Jul 31, 2022 17:19
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If this is what goes on at Hockey Canada at the highest level, under the biggest spotlight, god only knows what depraved poo poo is happening on like, a Junior B team in rural Saskatchewan. Honestly the entire institution of junior hockey in Canada is irredeemable IMO. Tear it down, replace it with high school and college based teams, where you can Title IX for gender equity and keep a closer eye on things.
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Jul 31, 2022 17:21
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Definitely feels like like hockey in general needs some external oversight, both civilian watchdogs and government regulations. There's clearly no demand by the people currently running the game to get out of 1950's style "boys will be boys" thinking. This applies to US hockey too. And the NHL. And the AHL.
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Jul 31, 2022 17:28
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mr. unhsib posted:If this is what goes on at Hockey Canada at the highest level, under the biggest spotlight, god only knows what depraved poo poo is happening on like, a Junior B team in rural Saskatchewan. Graham James first met Theo Fleury when Theo was 15. It absolutely starts earlier, I'm sure.
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Jul 31, 2022 21:59
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The USA Gymnastics scandal was just as bad, some of the victims were as young as 12 when it started, wouldn’t be surprised if it was younger though. They did the same thing as Canada hockey and passed around known predatory coaches to keep the scandal under wraps.
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Aug 1, 2022 18:29
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This contains a summary of E.M.'s account from 2018. It's basically everything known so far, put together. https://twitter.com/ZosiaBielski/status/1554508691990347776
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Hand Knit posted:This contains a summary of E.M.'s account from 2018. It's basically everything known so far, put together. The filming of the "consent" is one of the most disturbing things to me, you know there was some power-point presentation that the players of these junior teams were made to watch along the lines of "how to cover your rear end from claims of sexual assault".
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