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Grittybeard posted:What did Saturday say in his post game presser about the time out thing at the end of the Colts game if anyone watched it or knows? https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1597572565135925250?t=Z-rA3rzy8GOk7EX-L6ywog&s=19
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NFL Week 12 Aftermath: its tuesday dude, will you shut the gently caress up already lol
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Nov 29, 2022 15:43
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i'm sorry, Bengals fans have so little to celebrate through the years, i suppose I should not be so direct
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Nov 29, 2022 16:06
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I wouldn't say nothing, they won the AFC last year. I mean, not that impressive given who the 1 seed was, but still.
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Nov 29, 2022 16:11
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1597572565135925250?t=Z-rA3rzy8GOk7EX-L6ywog&s=19 Welp that's an answer of sorts and some good old fashioned sports reporting. quote:Asked about the play on three occasions in his postgame news conference, Saturday seemed to downplay it each and every time. He underscored that time was somehow not at a premium as it symbolically ticked away on the Colts' chances and furthermore on their season.
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Nov 29, 2022 16:22
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It ended up not mattering considering they didn't convert 4th down. IdK what more time would do if you can't get yards anyway.
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Nov 29, 2022 16:32
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really queer Christmas posted:It ended up not mattering considering they didn't convert 4th down. IdK what more time would do if you can't get yards anyway. If I'm being nice to them they tried to go tempo on third down (while taking 25 seconds to snap the ball) and it didn't work. I guess if I'm not being nice to them they had no idea what they were doing and it showed.
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Nov 29, 2022 16:39
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Lance of Llanwyln posted:The Bengals killing the Chiefs might be the only way our season doesn't end in KC again, at this rate. I think Miami would be perfect. They have very little playoff experience and would start with a bye week to be smug dolphins with a rookie head coach. I think I'd prefer them to anyone else except obviously the Bills.
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Nov 29, 2022 16:57
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Nov 29, 2022 17:07
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This happened on the Ryan scramble and also on a Pickett scramble earlier in the game: the QB runs up the field and dives head-first rather than slide. Both went another 1-2 yards forward before being touched, but both times the ball was marked at the point the QB went down instead. Shouldn’t forward progress have continued until they were touched? I understand on a slide it’s down essentially when they initiate the process of giving themselves up, but I was always under the impression that a forward dive would grant whatever yardage was gained until the runner is touched or progress stops.
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pasaluki posted:
I don't think we're going to be the team to stop the Chiefs this year. We lost our good boundary corner and so now our two starters on the outside are Eli Apple and a second round rookie who has shown more promise in run support than in coverage down the field. The pass rush is technically sound but there isn't really anybody fast enough to chase Mahomes down, He's probably going to have all day passing the ball. I like our chances reasonably well against the other AFC teams but the Chiefs are a bad matchup for us this year. But, hey, maybe Lou will figure out some magic for us again.
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Highbrow Slick posted:This happened on the Ryan scramble and also on a Pickett scramble earlier in the game: the QB runs up the field and dives head-first rather than slide. Both went another 1-2 yards forward before being touched, but both times the ball was marked at the point the QB went down instead. Shouldn’t forward progress have continued until they were touched? I understand on a slide it’s down essentially when they initiate the process of giving themselves up, but I was always under the impression that a forward dive would grant whatever yardage was gained until the runner is touched or progress stops. They changed this in 2018 so a dive is considered as the QB giving themself up and is treated the same as a slide.
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Nov 29, 2022 18:06
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YOLOsubmarine posted:They changed this in 2018 so a dive is considered as the QB giving themself up and is treated the same as a slide. Well how do you like that, I never noticed before. Much appreciated
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Nov 29, 2022 18:14
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YOLOsubmarine posted:They changed this in 2018 so a dive is considered as the QB giving themself up and is treated the same as a slide. Then how does diving for a first down work, or a touchdown. If you dive head first while trying to run it in as a QB, it just doesn’t ever count?
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Nov 30, 2022 04:37
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bows1 posted:Then how does diving for a first down work, or a touchdown. If you dive head first while trying to run it in as a QB, it just doesn’t ever count? I think it's if you dive while you really don't need to and aren't touched during the process of the dive. Judgment call I suppose. I doubt they'd have taken a TD away from him if that were the question, but no one was particularly close to Ryan on that play when he went for the first down and landed short anyway.
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bows1 posted:Then how does diving for a first down work, or a touchdown. If you dive head first while trying to run it in as a QB, it just doesn’t ever count? There's been a couple times when would-be TDs were wiped off because of this rule. Wentz had one in 2019 and here's one from Heinicke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S71g-2TYJuk You'd think the NFL would allow the refs to use their judgement to determine if a player is going down or trying to score. But if judgement was allowed, we wouldn't have such convoluted catch rules.
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Nov 30, 2022 04:59
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MD2020 posted:There's been a couple times when would-be TDs were wiped off because of this rule. Wentz had one in 2019 and here's one from Heinicke. The rule is there to protect QBs from taking bad hits and if it’s not black and white then it doesn’t work. If a defender is trying to determine if the QB is a legal target or not how is that supposed to work if it’s just a judgement call from the refs? The act of “giving yourself up” needs to be pretty clearly defined or you’ll get defenders lighting up guys who are trying to go down for safety and defenders pulling up on guys who are diving for a first down.
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I’m imagining a QB doing a backwards/lateral pass to a receiver who looks around and then takes off, only to dive 15 yards later and take a hit. Is he a QB? e: what if it’s taysom hill lmao
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MD2020 posted:There's been a couple times when would-be TDs were wiped off because of this rule. Wentz had one in 2019 and here's one from Heinicke. So this wouldn't even be legal anymore as a TD - ugh this is a hard rear end hit I forgot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaCzSzMWxEk
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I don't think player safety should necessarily be solely the responsibility of defenders. If descentivizing quarterbacks from putting themselves in a vulnerable position reduces their chances of a serious injury I don't see why that's any more objectionable than descentivizing defenders from making risky plays. It's not really fair for the defense if a quarterback is launching himself forward to gain yards in a way that makes it so that if you were to engage in any sort of contact you're pretty much guaranteed to strike their head. If the rules put in place are for player safety they should be doing everything they can to avoid gamifying that. I think it's fair to take steps like saying quarterbacks are considered down from the moment they leave their feet in a slide or dive, that they aren't allowed to fake slide or juke towards the sidelines like they're going out of bounds. If there aren't protections against stuff like that the end result is that defenders are going to commit to making the hit to avoid giving up that first down or giving up those yards.
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Highbrow Slick posted:I’m imagining a QB doing a backwards/lateral pass to a receiver who looks around and then takes off, only to dive 15 yards later and take a hit. Is he a QB? Anyone is allowed to wreck Taysom at any time. It's a special exception in the rulebook.
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Eifert Posting posted:If the rules put in place are for player safety they should be doing everything they can to avoid gamifying that. I think it's fair to take steps like saying quarterbacks are considered down from the moment they leave their feet in a slide or dive, that they aren't allowed to fake slide or juke towards the sidelines like they're going out of bounds. If there aren't protections against stuff like that the end result is that defenders are going to commit to making the hit to avoid giving up that first down or giving up those yards. The packers lost a game in 2008 because rodgers had faked going out of bounds earlier in the game. In the fourth quarter during what was going to be their game winning drive, he was running out of bounds and peppers just murdered him. He was so concussed they had to run the ball three straight times and kick a field goal.
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sexy tiger boobs posted:Anyone is allowed to wreck Taysom at any time. It's a special exception in the rulebook. Encouraged to, actually. Probably by Saints fans as well.
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FizFashizzle posted:The packers lost a game in 2008 because rodgers had faked going out of bounds earlier in the game. That was the day rodgers decided that eating clay would be what heal him.
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really queer Christmas posted:That was the day rodgers decided that eating clay would be what heal him. Iirc it also happened on the packers sideline. All the packers got up to defend Rodgers, saw who did it, and we’re all just like “nah man…nah, that ain’t cool”
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bows1 posted:So this wouldn't even be legal anymore as a TD - ugh this is a hard rear end hit I forgot Am I missing something? Why would this not be a legal TD anymore? The new rule as of a few years ago is that diving forward is now the same as sliding. It's not that you can't dive forward as a QB or as a runner. You'll still be down wherever the ball is when you first hit the ground, which in the case of this play is in the endzone
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Cognac McCarthy posted:Am I missing something? Why would this not be a legal TD anymore? The new rule as of a few years ago is that diving forward is now the same as sliding. It's not that you can't dive forward as a QB or as a runner. You'll still be down wherever the ball is when you first hit the ground, which in the case of this play is in the endzone Edit: Oops I was wrong, and the guy I'm quoting is right, didn't read his response carefully enough. I also thought we were talking about the Wentz 2 point conversion that was called back because his knee hit the ground during his dive rather than whatever that other Wentz play was. Jivesauce fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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NFL Rule 7 Section 2 Article 1 posted:An official shall declare the ball dead and the down ended: A head-first dive like the one in the game is considered falling to the ground and thus giving yourself up. It does not give extra protection, and you cannot continue running if you aren’t touched, but the ball is probably further forward than it would be with a feet-first slide. https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/down-by-contact/
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rjmccall posted:A head-first dive like the one in the game is considered falling to the ground and thus giving yourself up. It does not give extra protection, and you cannot continue running if you aren’t touched, but the ball is probably further forward than it would be with a feet-first slide. Well it does give extra protection in that a defender has to treat them as if they are already down by contact. "sliding. When a runner slides feet or head first, or simulates sliding the ball is dead the instant he touches the ground with anything other than his hands or his feet, or begins to simulate touching the ground; Notes: Defenders are required to treat a sliding runner as they would a runner who is down by contact." But you're right that they don't get the extra "defender must pull up" protection of the feet first slide.
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Cognac McCarthy posted:Am I missing something? Why would this not be a legal TD anymore? The new rule as of a few years ago is that diving forward is now the same as sliding. It's not that you can't dive forward as a QB or as a runner. You'll still be down wherever the ball is when you first hit the ground, which in the case of this play is in the endzone OH I thought we were talking about forward progress stopping when you dive. IE when you dive, you are down from where you dove since you are "giving yourself up" and forward progress stops. But I think what it actually means is it stops from where you hit the ground, not where you dive from? Sorry Im being an idiot about this
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Jivesauce posted:Well it does give extra protection in that a defender has to treat them as if they are already down by contact. Thanks, missed that bit in the definitions.
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I don't see what the issue is. If you're a qb running with the ball outside the pocket there shouldn't be any extra protections offered to you verse any other player with the ball. You're a runner at that point and they certainly don't make special rules for receivers and running backs getting blasted in the open field. Don't like it? loving bulk up.
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The head first thing is weird imo because if that’s the rule as of 2018 then maybe just say QBs can only slide feet first idk
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Highbrow Slick posted:The head first thing is weird imo because if that’s the rule as of 2018 then maybe just say QBs can only slide feet first idk The rule was originally that only a feet first slide conferred protection but a bunch of QBs suck at sliding and wouldn’t or couldn’t do it so they extended it to head first dives as well.
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When Joe Burrow slides it always seems like he cleats the turf and catches his leg and every single time I think he's blowing up his knee again.
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Eifert Posting posted:When Joe Burrow slides it always seems like he cleats the turf and catches his leg and every single time I think he's blowing up his knee again. wasn't this the joe flacco experience?
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Asproigerosis posted:wasn't this the joe flacco experience? Yep. After he came back from the ACL tear he wore a knee brace, and one time he took such a lovely slide that he broke the brace, lol
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How are so many QBs so completely dogshit at sliding, anyway? Michael Vick got professional coaching and still couldn't do it, IIRC, and while I'm now completely okay with Noted Shithead Carson Wentz charging headfirst into certain danger his inability to slide during his time as an Eagle was super frustrating to watch. I get they may have a mental block against wanting to slide in the first place, but it's not even about that, it's about just sucking rear end at dropping down feet-first.
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