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idk why i'm mad about it again but i am so here's a thread about it. first i made a long effortpost about it here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h__zP17eMoSXntHq6Jo7nKxRB8DoCOcVZ794Qd4LEA4/ please feel free to share that far & wide Its just so nuts to me that people still do this. Like imagine being that Mastodon guy, working for like years and years for no money and then some maga chuds show up, fork his stuff and create Truth Social and he can't do poo poo about it except be mad. Just keep the rights for yourself. If you want to share it with your friends, you can, just send it do them and tell the them its ok. If its important to some organization you think is a valid recipient of your charity, give them a license for it. Dont just give it away. You (should) have responsibility for the things you create. Make sure bad people can't use your stuff. Dont just leave it laying around for just anyone to pick up and use. Don't work for exposure. Don't let your vanity drive you to do volunteer work for Donald fuckin Trump, even transitively.
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lending my support to this thread, as i strongly believe we need more manifestos posted in yospos
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is the problem open source or the licence? unreal engine is open source innit? I mean you can download the source and compile it yourself?
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your open source is a pos
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sorry rotor we really let you down
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aw frig aw dang it posted:sorry rotor we really let you down its ok, everyone makes mistakes sometimes. Just make better choices in the future.
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Honestly, I wholly agree. What do you think the first steps towards actualizing this concept would be? Seems like an initiative I'd want to actively participate in.
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post hole digger posted:lending my support to this thread, as i strongly believe we need more manifestos posted in yospos hell yeah
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InternetOfTwinks posted:Honestly, I wholly agree. What do you think the first steps towards actualizing this concept would be? Seems like an initiative I'd want to actively participate in. Step One: stop releasing code under any open source licence. Step Two: that's it, your done, case closed Step Three: maybe talk to your friends and convince them to follow suit
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Oh I meant more for the Software Trust concept you mention towards the end, I think that would be the big thing to help with wider adoption.
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talk to your friends about overly-permissive licenses... before someone else does
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InternetOfTwinks posted:Honestly, I wholly agree. What do you think the first steps towards actualizing this concept would be? Seems like an initiative I'd want to actively participate in. i’ll start writing the wiki
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I guess it would be nice to have some boilerplate licences that say "(c) rotor 2022, all rights reserved, blah blee blah" and then a boilerplate license you can give to someone to use your source code as either a library or a process or whatever for some given amount of time. Basically just swipe commercial license boilerplate and use it, along with a disavowal of liability and so forth.
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InternetOfTwinks posted:Oh I meant more for the Software Trust concept you mention towards the end, I think that would be the big thing to help with wider adoption. yeah thats something I'd like to see but honestly its more of a job for any enterprising lawyers in the audience than some yokel like me. If there are any such lawyers that want to talk about it, please get in touch.
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I have technical opinions about how the process of aquiring licences would be integrated into build systems but like how the legal structure is built i dont know.
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I feel like it should be straightforward but ??
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some open source licences make people like RMS really mad. those are good ones.
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there are no good open sources licences but the gpl is the least awful
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rotor posted:idk why i'm mad about it again but i am so here's a thread about it. I just saw some nerds fighting yesterday about Ghost. Apparently substack is just Ghost w/ marketing muscle and some good author negotiators? Or they just copied a theme API idk
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my new open source license makes my software free to use but you need to perform an act of self immolation first
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Hed posted:I just saw some nerds fighting yesterday about Ghost. Apparently substack is just Ghost w/ marketing muscle and some good author negotiators? Or they just copied a theme API idk many such cases
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rotor posted:many such cases on one hand I feel bad that some techbros with marketing came in and took it but otoh that's what they signed up for I guess
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Hed posted:on one hand I feel bad that some techbros with marketing came in and took it but otoh that's what they signed up for I guess it exactly is what they signed up for but I cant really imagine they're happy about it, hence this thread.
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Hed posted:I just saw some nerds fighting yesterday about Ghost. Apparently substack is just Ghost w/ marketing muscle and some good author negotiators? Or they just copied a theme API idk I think Ghost is just a boring rock band, op
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is it good to expect all developers to reinvent the wheel
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echinopsis posted:is it good to expect all developers to reinvent the wheel no, why do you ask?
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rotor posted:there are no good open sources licences but the gpl is the least awful the GPL is the most awful. it's just stallman wanting to infect everything with his zealotry
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Sweevo posted:the GPL is the most awful. this is incorrect, please report to the manifesto for reneducation
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rotor posted:this is incorrect, please report to the manifesto for reneducation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ
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Hed posted:I just saw some nerds fighting yesterday about Ghost. Apparently substack is just Ghost w/ marketing muscle and some good author negotiators? Or they just copied a theme API idk i thought it was the opposite, ghost launched (or at least gained popularity) after substack, because people were upset about some questionable publishers being accepted (and maybe promoted?) on the substack platform. idk if im remembering that right tho
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tcp/ip stacks should NOT be free and that's the only way we can properly gatekeep the internet
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i refuse to pay for stack resets
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i do not program the computer but all the primary open source players seem to be disgusting manchildren or sex creeps so i support this thread
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i have only contributed to one open source project and its gpl 3 affagato or whatever to make it as unpleasant as possibe to anyone to use
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i read the manifesto and i think it was interesting.
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yes we know he's gross
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Cat Face Joe posted:i do not program the computer but all the primary open source players seem to be disgusting manchildren or sex creeps so i support this thread unfortunately I have some distressing news about all the primary closed source players
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Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:i have only contributed to one open source project and its gpl 3 affagato or whatever to make it as unpleasant as possibe to anyone to use Good.
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rotor posted:unfortunately I have some distressing news about all the primary closed source players i don't know who they are or am unlikely to meet them whereas rms could spring from any appropriately sized pile of dirty rags
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